Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[Warcodered]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2022/05/24/deshaun-watson-new-details-accusers-hbo-interview-transcript/9911578002/

 

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“Well, in every massage, I will tell you he did go, intending just for a professional massage, and only those three instances where sexual conduct occurred – consensual sexual activity – it occurred after the massage session had ended,” Graham replied, according to the excerpts. “And Mr. Watson has testified and is insistent that that sexual activity was initiated by the plaintiff in every single instance.”

 

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Solis alleged that Watson caused his penis to touch her hand near the end of the massage. Her lawsuit said this caused her to be scared and cry.

 

Really can't help that her story seems to line up so well with his story on how the consensual encounters happened.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Specifically he was asked why he sent a text apologizing to her.  

If reports are to be believed 13 teams - to some extent at least - tried to trade for Watson. 

 

 

That's what I said.  

[BillsShredder83]

Anybody know what time its on? Wont be watching but interrested to read HOW bad this sounds after it airs

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Anybody know what time its on? Wont be watching but interrested to read HOW bad this sounds after it airs

10pm ET

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

 

[Punching Bag]

Orange is his color but should be shade of orange wore in some prisons.

[BillsShredder83]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

this is gunna be 10 outta 10 bad just off that 60 second clip... starting to come around to enough pressure that he might never play

[HappyDays]

Yikes I just watched the full interview with Ashley Solis. Either she is secretly the greatest actress of our time or Watson is a predator.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Yikes I just watched the full interview with Ashley Solis. Either she is secretly the greatest actress of our time or Watson is a predator.

It sounds like exactly what the whole thing sounded like from the beginning, that Watson was going out trying have a real life Porno experience, it just so happens that those tend to be written in a way that ignores how criminal the behavior in them often is.

[YoloinOhio]

That female lawyer of watson’s came off very poorly. I don’t think she believed what she was trying to sell and it was cringe. 

[wppete]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Yikes I just watched the full interview with Ashley Solis. Either she is secretly the greatest actress of our time or Watson is a predator.

I missed it. Can you be more specific let us know what she said? 

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That female lawyer of watson’s came off very poorly. I don’t think she believed what she was trying to sell and it was cringe. 

 

To be fair Tony Buzbee also comes across poorly in every interview I've seen of him. I have no doubt he is using this case to boost his public image. But that doesn't take away from the women's testimony.

 

6 minutes ago, wppete said:

I missed it. Can you be more specific let us know what she said? 

 

The exact details aren't appropriate for this forum. It's not so much what she said but how she appeared as she said it. Clearly the experience had a traumatic effect on her. I get that her singular testimony of the experience doesn't meet the criminal standard, maybe not even the civil standard, but I can't imagine anyone watching her interview and think she isn't telling the truth.

Edited May 25, 2022 by HappyDays

[BillsShredder83]

i wish more had agreed to interview. I believed Solis, but am having a hard time with the 2nd woman interviewed. He ejac'd from bumping his member into her hand a bunch of times? A bit of a red flag to me. If he was bumping it against her hand, thats still wrong-doing, but he ejac'g from that? With no other explanation?

 

At the least she exaggerated that claim, and if she did that, when the first part was enough to get the job done, how credible is the rest of her story?

 

It certainly wasnt a positive piece, but I dont think its anywhere near the bomb-shell that many were expecting.

Edited May 25, 2022 by BillsShredder83

[HappyDays]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

i wish more had agreed to interview. I believed Solis, but am having a hard time with the 2nd woman interviewed. He ***** from bumping his member into her hand a bunch of times? A bit of a red flag to me. If he was bumping it against her hand, thats still wrong-doing, but he ***** from that? With no other explanation?

 

At the least she exaggerated that claim, and if she did that, when the first part was enough to get the job done, how credible is the rest of her story?

 

It certainly wasnt a positive piece, but I dont think its anywhere near the bomb-shell that many were expecting.

 

Ashley Solis has been the strongest plaintiff by far. I have no doubt that Watson acted like she says he did and find it very likely that he did the same to other women. And I'm sure some of what Watson's legal team has said is also true - some of the women probably did see his behavior as a possible cash grab or a way to develop a relationship with a multimillionaire superstar athlete. But that argument doesn't take away from what he did. Sexual assault that leads to consensual sex is still sexual assault. And in at least some cases it was nothing more than a traumatic experience for the women. We'll never know the whole unvarnished truth but I hope the NFL has seen enough to bring down the hammer on him.

[BillsShredder83]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Ashley Solis has been the strongest plaintiff by far. I have no doubt that Watson acted like she says he did and find it very likely that he did the same to other women. And I'm sure some of what Watson's legal team has said is also true - some of the women probably did see his behavior as a possible cash grab or a way to develop a relationship with a multimillionaire superstar athlete. But that argument doesn't take away from what he did. Sexual assault that leads to consensual sex is still sexual assault. And in at least some cases it was nothing more than a traumatic experience for the women. We'll never know the whole unvarnished truth but I hope the NFL has seen enough to bring down the hammer on him.

i dont know that that interview did anything to help plaintiffs, if anything i think the opposite, and just my feeling/opinion. its a bit of a red flag that only 2 of 22 agreed to do it. also, while definitely sexual assault, those hardly painted him as ugly as the rest of the accusations. bumping himself into them is completely uncalled for, but far different than him over-powering them or any of the other more violent accusations. i can def understand these still being traumatic and even scary at what he might do, but Im not seeing a 1 year suspension, let alone a 2yr coming down.

 

if they really want to maximize his suspension, more info is going to need to come out IMO

[Warcodered]

26 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

i wish more had agreed to interview. I believed Solis, but am having a hard time with the 2nd woman interviewed. He ***** from bumping his member into her hand a bunch of times? A bit of a red flag to me. If he was bumping it against her hand, thats still wrong-doing, but he ***** from that? With no other explanation?

 

At the least she exaggerated that claim, and if she did that, when the first part was enough to get the job done, how credible is the rest of her story?

 

It certainly wasnt a positive piece, but I dont think its anywhere near the bomb-shell that many were expecting.

I'd say a major part of it was the situation helping him along.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I'd say a major part of it was the situation helping him along.

 

Yea he definitely appears to have some sort of exhibition kink going on. Simply the fact of being naked in what on the face of it does not seem a sexual situation in front of these women arouses him. And he seeks that out for his own sexual arousal and gratification. He gets off on his own exposure and their embarrassment at the situation. 

 

Completely believable to me that in the situation he could ***** (a word I never expected to write on this forum) from minimal physical contact. 

 

[Saint Doug]

22 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

The thing is though, this isn't true.  They did the exact same thing will all of their big contracts recently.  Garrett, Ward, Chubb, restructured Cooper.  It looks bad, but you can't ignore that they did it with everyone, not just Watson.

I am fine with manipulating salaries with the intent to work within the confines of the salary cap, which is what they did with the players above. But, there’s no precedent for giving a starting QB vet minimum to minimize salary cap implications. This was done solely to subvert any punishment coming from the NFL.
 

If I were Goodell, I would refrain from announcing any disciplinary measures until all civil suits are settled. This would probably mean either Watson starts paying out to settle them quickly or he let’s them go to court over the next year. Once the dust settles, Goodell can then suspend him for the 2023 season. That would send a much better message. 

[BillsFan4]

On 5/24/2022 at 10:24 PM, HappyDays said:

Yikes I just watched the full interview with Ashley Solis. Either she is secretly the greatest actress of our time or Watson is a predator.

Felt the same way. She was very believable. I did not get the impression at all that she was lying.

Edited May 26, 2022 by BillsFan4

[NewEra]

Clowney doesn’t deserve his own thread, so I’ll put it here in case 

 

https://nfltraderumors.co/browns-officially-re-signing-de-jadeveon-clowney/

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Clowney doesn’t deserve his own thread, so I’ll put it here in case 

 

https://nfltraderumors.co/browns-officially-re-signing-de-jadeveon-clowney/

The Sam Bradford of DEs

[cle23]

4 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

I am fine with manipulating salaries with the intent to work within the confines of the salary cap, which is what they did with the players above. But, there’s no precedent for giving a starting QB vet minimum to minimize salary cap implications. This was done solely to subvert any punishment coming from the NFL.
 

If I were Goodell, I would refrain from announcing any disciplinary measures until all civil suits are settled. This would probably mean either Watson starts paying out to settle them quickly or he let’s them go to court over the next year. Once the dust settles, Goodell can then suspend him for the 2023 season. That would send a much better message. 

 

Josh Allen's contract had him at $990,000 in base salary in 2021.  Mahomes' contract had him at $825,000 in 2021, and it will be at $990,000 in 2022. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by cle23

[BarleyNY]

12 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Josh Allen's contract had him at $990,000 in base salary in 2021.  Mahomes' contract had him at $825,000 in 2021, and it will be at $990,000 in 2022. 

You are correct.  Here’s a link to Spotrac.  People thinking that the Browns did anything out of the ordinary with Watson’s contract should take 1 or 2 minutes to educate themselves.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/quarterback/

Edited May 25, 2022 by BarleyNY

[Rockpile233]

The fact we’ve had talented players out of the league for smoking weed or gambling, but this POS hasn’t been made an example of yet is disgusting.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Rockpile233 said:

The fact we’ve had talented players out of the league for smoking weed or gambling, but this POS hasn’t been made an example of yet is disgusting.

 Who’s “out of the league” for smoking weed?

[Rockpile233]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 Who’s “out of the league” for smoking weed?

Justin Blackmon comes to mind. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Rockpile233 said:

The fact we’ve had talented players out of the league for smoking weed or gambling, but this POS hasn’t been made an example of yet is disgusting.

 

The “yet” is the key word here. Things need to run their course and all appropriate investigating needs to be completed. I can’t be outraged until we see how this plays out. In my opinion, it would be a mistake to hand out any punishment at this point. When all the facts come out, any penalty enforced now could be far too light or heavy. Get it right, even if it takes some time. I know, it’s hard to NOT want to act, but I like the cautious, patient approach.

 

 In the meantime, Watson and the Browns can sweat it out and have some sleepless nights. Watson because, at the very least, that’s some creepy stuff. The Browns because, well, that guaranteed contract is Brownsie stupid and a horrible precedent. I hope they get burned just as a cautionary tale for others who consider taking that path. 

[The Wiz]

29 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The “yet” is the key word here. Things need to run their course and all appropriate investigating needs to be completed. I can’t be outraged until we see how this plays out. In my opinion, it would be a mistake to hand out any punishment at this point. When all the facts come out, any penalty enforced now could be far too light or heavy. Get it right, even if it takes some time. I know, it’s hard to NOT want to act, but I like the cautious, patient approach.

 

 In the meantime, Watson and the Browns can sweat it out and have some sleepless nights. Watson because, at the very least, that’s some creepy stuff. The Browns because, well, that guaranteed contract is Brownsie stupid and a horrible precedent. I hope they get burned just as a cautionary tale for others who consider taking that path. 

Another key word right there. 

 

God knows the nfl has had its fair share of investigations that they have managed to turn into looking like a monkey ***** a football. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Rockpile233 said:

Justin Blackmon comes to mind. 

 

 

Blackmon was an alcoholic with multiple DWI's.  Plus he was too stupid not to keep failing his drug screens.  For those reasons, he is out of the league.  The Jags never released him, he could have come back after a vetting process.

[Saint Doug]

4 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

Josh Allen's contract had him at $990,000 in base salary in 2021.  Mahomes' contract had him at $825,000 in 2021, and it will be at $990,000 in 2022. 

That was his original rookie contract and it wasn’t done to manipulate the salary cap. It was determined by where he was selected in the 1st round. Rookie contracts are not determined by the market. The only example I can think of a QB taking a hefty salary cut to help his term manipulate the cap was Brady taking a $12M salary. And that’s far, far from vet minimum. In today’s QB money, that would be like accepting $20M per year. 
 

Please find a starting QB who has accepted vet minimum on the market so his team could manipulate the salary cap. 

[Rockpile233]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Blackmon was an alcoholic with multiple DWI's.  Plus he was too stupid not to keep failing his drug screens.  For those reasons, he is out of the league.  The Jags never released him, he could have come back after a vetting process.

Martavis Bryant….Josh Gordon, yes all multiple time failed drug tests and full season suspensions. Say what you want about them, but predatory behavior towards women is a lot worse to me. Not sure what you’re trying to argue. 

[wppete]

7 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

Martavis Bryant….Josh Gordon, yes all multiple time failed drug tests and full season suspensions. Say what you want about them, but predatory behavior towards women is a lot worse to me. Not sure what you’re trying to argue. 

Agree. The NFL will be setting precedent with whatever decision they make with Deshaun. Let’s see what they do. 

[Mr. WEO]

29 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

Martavis Bryant….Josh Gordon, yes all multiple time failed drug tests and full season suspensions. Say what you want about them, but predatory behavior towards women is a lot worse to me. Not sure what you’re trying to argue. 

i was refuting your post about Blackmon as incorrect.

 

No one is saying predatory behavior is not “a lot worse” than not being able to function without getting high.

 

But all those guys wrote their own tickets out of the NFL, despite many second chances.  So yours is not really a point worth making..

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

The “yet” is the key word here. Things need to run their course and all appropriate investigating needs to be completed. I can’t be outraged until we see how this plays out. In my opinion, it would be a mistake to hand out any punishment at this point. When all the facts come out, any penalty enforced now could be far too light or heavy. Get it right, even if it takes some time. I know, it’s hard to NOT want to act, but I like the cautious, patient approach.

 

 In the meantime, Watson and the Browns can sweat it out and have some sleepless nights. Watson because, at the very least, that’s some creepy stuff. The Browns because, well, that guaranteed contract is Brownsie stupid and a horrible precedent. I hope they get burned just as a cautionary tale for others who consider taking that path. 

I completely agree with you especially that first paragraph.... which is why I fully expect NFL to drop a suspension quick here. Funny they met with him a day before that HBO special. 

 

The longer they wait, the worse this is going to look. If they rush to the table with an 8 game suspension here like I expect, then they covered their own when bombshells come... and they can play dumb about it being too short of a suspension, "we didn't have THISSSS information". 

 

Quicker they can suspend him, get him back, let him take his public beating, the sooner this will be outta the headlines. The whole thing is gross, and its going to get worse.

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

i was refuting your post about Blackmon as incorrect.

 

No one is saying predatory behavior is not “a lot worse” than not being able to function without getting high.

 

But all those guys wrote their own tickets out of the NFL, despite many second chances.  So yours is not really a point worth making..

 

And Gordon is still in the league.... Martavis Bryant was a meh player who wasn't worth the hassle. 

 

It is also worth saying here (though I know I will be met with responses of "yea but which is worse") that the Substance Abuse Policy is a very distinct subset of the Personal Conduct Policy and has a different investigation and discipline procedure. So really there is no precedent to be drawn from comparing these allegations to drug offences. 

 

There really is not a recent precedent for this situation. I think the closest precedent I can come up with is Big Ben and that was 16 years and two iterations of the policy ago. If you are desperate to try and draw comparisons the domestic violence suspensions handed out in recent years are a better place to start. I think Watson is going to get somewhere between half a season and a season.

Edited May 26, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Doc Brown]

14 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

You are correct.  Here’s a link to Spotrac.  People thinking that the Browns did anything out of the ordinary with Watson’s contract should take 1 or 2 minutes to educate themselves.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/quarterback/

I agree with this but from a PR standpoint it still doesn't look good.  His base salary this year is a little over 1 million and then 46 million the next four years.  Browns had the cap space to make his base salary at least 15 million this year.  It just shows how desperate the Browns were for a franchise QB.

 

His contract is significant in that guaranteeing that much money over multi years is unprecedented.  Kirk Cousins contracts were fully guaranteed but they weren't as long or as expensive as Watson's.

[Paul Costa]

This case is a big one for the NFL to get right. Professional Sports leagues will be using this decision forever when it comes to sexual misconduct. They have a lot more information than we do. But I can’t see any way that they allow Watson to play before this is settled. And then he will get suspended if appropriate. What if the NFL let’s Watson play or suspends him for a few games and he goes and starts doing this again or rapes a masseuse. A hyperbolic scenario I know. But this guy doesn’t think he has done anything wrong. He’s going to continue his actions. Get ready Cleveland ladies Deshaun’s “ coming to town”. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree with this but from a PR standpoint it still doesn't look good.  His base salary this year is a little over 1 million and then 46 million the next four years.  Browns had the cap space to make his base salary at least 15 million this year.  It just shows how desperate the Browns were for a franchise QB.

 

His contract is significant in that guaranteeing that much money over multi years is unprecedented.  Kirk Cousins contracts were fully guaranteed but they weren't as long or as expensive as Watson's.

I agree on the optics, they are bad.  And I agree that Cleveland was very desperate for a FQB.  Thus, the traded picks (including 3 first rounders!) and guaranteed $230M contract as well as having to deal with this PR disaster.  But many people are looking beyond what’s there and making stuff up to be enraged about - and there’s certainly enough legitimate stuff to complain about.