Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[Paul Costa]

29 minutes ago, wppete said:

Prison or not? 

He will be suspended indefinitely until the lawsuits are settled. 

[wppete]

3 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:

He will be suspended indefinitely until the lawsuits are settled. 

12-24 month suspension? 

[Captain Hindsight]

4 hours ago, wppete said:

Prison or not? 

No, not enough evidence I would assume

[BarleyNY]

4 hours ago, wppete said:

Prison or not? 

No.  Two grand juries already declined to indict him.  So just civil cases and NFL punishment to come.

Edited May 22, 2022 by BarleyNY

[Doc Brown]

18 hours ago, wppete said:

Prison or not? 

Does playing QB for the Browns count?

Edited May 22, 2022 by Doc Brown

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

No.  Two grand juries already declined to indict him.  So just civil cases and NFL punishment to come.

 

Yea. A further grand jury could be convened but they would beed more than testimony from the alleged victims to do so, however harrowing that testimony might be. They would need physical evidence or strong third party witness evidence essentially. 

 

EDIT: as a litigation strategy these interviews appear designed to put more pressure on a settlement. They will unquestionably put more pressure on the NFL to move from its "wait and see" stance which I have been critical of since the allegations arose last spring.

Edited May 22, 2022 by GunnerBill

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. A further grand jury could be convened but they would beed more than testimony from the alleged victims to do so, however harrowing that testimony might be. They would need physical evidence or strong third party witness evidence essentially. 

 

EDIT: as a litigation strategy these interviews appear designed to put more pressure on a settlement. They will unquestionably put more pressure on the NFL to move from its "wait and see" stance which I have been critical of since the allegations arose last spring.

The answer is no with almost 100% certainty.  I can’t see any reason that the grand juries were utilized other than to give prosecutors political rear end coverage for not bringing charges.  They either knew they couldn’t get a conviction or that the evidence was not sufficient to bring charges.  They needed a way out of indicting Watson that wasn’t on them and they found it.  There’s no way they wade back into that kind of mess without incontrovertible evidence - and where are they going to get that now?  So barring some damning bit of evidence that Buzbee has been sitting on coming to light there won’t be any more criminal action.  Oh, and remember who Buzbee is.  If he has that piece of info, he’ll use it as leverage to get a payday, not send Watson to jail.

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

The answer is no with almost 100% certainty.  I can’t see any reason that the grand juries were utilized other than to give prosecutors political rear end coverage for not bringing charges.  They either knew they couldn’t get a conviction or that the evidence was not sufficient to bring charges.  They needed a way out of indicting Watson that wasn’t on them and they found it.  There’s no way they wade back into that kind of mess without incontrovertible evidence - and where are they going to get that now?  So barring some damning bit of evidence that Buzbee has been sitting on coming to light there won’t be any more criminal action.  Oh, and remember who Buzbee is.  If he has that piece of info, he’ll use it as leverage to get a payday, not send Watson to jail.

 

Yea I totally agree. It is technically possible but extremely unlikely. 

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea. A further grand jury could be convened but they would beed more than testimony from the alleged victims to do so, however harrowing that testimony might be. They would need physical evidence or strong third party witness evidence essentially. 

 

EDIT: as a litigation strategy these interviews appear designed to put more pressure on a settlement. They will unquestionably put more pressure on the NFL to move from its "wait and see" stance which I have been critical of since the allegations arose last spring.

not necessarily strategy—they are pretrial depositions in civil suits. Part of discovery.

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

not necessarily strategy—they are pretrial depositions in civil suits. Part of discovery.

 

Oh so the tv is just broadcasting the depositions? I thought these were separate media interviews?

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh so the tv is just broadcasting the depositions? I thought these were separate media interviews?

 

 

No the depo wasn't broadcast.  The OP linked to an article describing the testimony from deposition transcripts released by the plaintiff's lawyer.

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

No the depo wasn't broadcast.  The OP linked to an article describing the testimony from deposition transcripts released by the plaintiff's lawyer.

 

Yea but more recent in the thread is the TV interviews. If they are a separate thing the decision to do them is 100% part of a litigation strategy. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea but more recent in the thread is the TV interviews. If they are a separate thing the decision to do them is 100% part of a litigation strategy. 

 

 

The plaintiff TV/HBO interviews?     Pretty typical in high profile civil cases--go right to the public.

 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh so the tv is just broadcasting the depositions? I thought these were separate media interviews?

They broadcast depositions in Texas?

[GunnerBill]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

They broadcast depositions in Texas?

 

I have no idea. I was asking the question. Seems that wasn't what WEO was saying.

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

The plaintiff TV/HBO interviews?     Pretty typical in high profile civil cases--go right to the public.

 

 

Yea - as part of a litigation strategy. You set the public narrative you put the pressure on the defendant. They are trying to tighten the screws on Watson, my point was a consequence of that is it will put the pressure on Goodell's bizarre wait and see strategy too. 

[Paul Costa]

18 hours ago, wppete said:

12-24 month suspension? 

I think the HBO Real Sports interviews of the Woman will be telling. Most everything we’ve heard is through the Lawyers. I can’t see the NFL letting him play if these interviews paint a savage display towards woman. Until everything is cleared up. Not sure what that window is. Have to believe that’s up to Watson as these are civil and not criminal charges

[Mr. WEO]

38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have no idea. I was asking the question. Seems that wasn't what WEO was saying.

 

Yea - as part of a litigation strategy. You set the public narrative you put the pressure on the defendant. They are trying to tighten the screws on Watson, my point was a consequence of that is it will put the pressure on Goodell's bizarre wait and see strategy too. 

 

 

Not at all.

 

There was no public broadcast of the deposition.  The transcripts were released by the plaintiff's lawyer.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Not at all.

 

There was no public broadcast of the deposition.  The transcripts were released by the plaintiff's lawyer.

 

Yes. That is what I meant. I thought you might have been saying it was broadcast. I had misunderstood your point. 

[Big Turk]

Was there testimony as to what she cried about? 

 

Seems like a leading question otherwise.

[Putin]

20 hours ago, Paul Costa said:

He will be suspended indefinitely until the lawsuits are settled. 

That’s what they should do , and after ALL the lawsuits are settled come up with the appropriate punishment 

[cle23]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

That’s what they should do , and after ALL the lawsuits are settled come up with the appropriate punishment 

 

Where does that end though? Watson probably will be suspended,  but a grand jury elected not to pursue charges. These are purely civil cases at this point.  Literally anyone can file civil suits for almost any reason because the burden of proof is MUCH lower. So how can you suspend someone indefinitely for something they weren't charged for,  and in which the civil trials aren't even set up yet?

 

 I've been saying the entire time that if he was criminally guilty he should be out of the league and from everything I've seen it's likely hes going to get suspended at least some either way. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 5/22/2022 at 5:28 PM, cle23 said:

 

Where does that end though? Watson probably will be suspended,  but a grand jury elected not to pursue charges. These are purely civil cases at this point.  Literally anyone can file civil suits for almost any reason because the burden of proof is MUCH lower. So how can you suspend someone indefinitely for something they weren't charged for,  and in which the civil trials aren't even set up yet?

 

 I've been saying the entire time that if he was criminally guilty he should be out of the league and from everything I've seen it's likely hes going to get suspended at least some either way. 

 

Bauer got 324 games in baseball. Anything less than a season and u look like a joke

[Mr. WEO]

On 5/22/2022 at 3:51 PM, Big Turk said:

Was there testimony as to what she cried about? 

 

Seems like a leading question otherwise.

 

 

He brought up the fact that she was crying at the end of the encounter.   He wasn't asked that.

[CincyBillsFan]

10 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Bauer got 324 games in baseball. Anything less than a season and u look like a joke

The NFL has worked long and hard to convert women into NFL fans.  I can't imagine they will risk this to take it easy on Watson.  So unless the NFL found evidence that all these women are working together to scam Watson he should be suspended for one year without pay. There are corporations in the US that would fire you for personal conduct much less egregious then this.  It doesn't need to be a criminal act for the NFL to bring down the hammer.

 

 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He brought up the fact that she was crying at the end of the encounter.   He wasn't asked that.

Was there an audible sound of his lawyers slamming their hands into their foreheads?

[Saint Doug]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The NFL has worked long and hard to convert women into NFL fans.  I can't imagine they will risk this to take it easy on Watson.  So unless the NFL found evidence that all these women are working together to scam Watson he should be suspended for one year without pay. There are corporations in the US that would fire you for personal conduct much less egregious then this.  It doesn't need to be a criminal act for the NFL to bring down the hammer.

 

 

The problem I have with this is that the Brown’s purposely evaded the spirit of such a punishment by making his 2022 season pay vet minimum. The league shouldn’t have allowed this. A QB should not be making 1.035M a season. 

[cle23]

53 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

The problem I have with this is that the Brown’s purposely evaded the spirit of such a punishment by making his 2022 season pay vet minimum. The league shouldn’t have allowed this. A QB should not be making 1.035M a season. 

 

The thing is though, this isn't true.  They did the exact same thing will all of their big contracts recently.  Garrett, Ward, Chubb, restructured Cooper.  It looks bad, but you can't ignore that they did it with everyone, not just Watson.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

The problem I have with this is that the Brown’s purposely evaded the spirit of such a punishment by making his 2022 season pay vet minimum. The league shouldn’t have allowed this. A QB should not be making 1.035M a season. 

 

This has happened before where a player got a very low rate because his salary was being paid for by previous team but clearly there intent was to shield him from penalties to get him to sign.  Teams have also converted salary to bonus for same reason.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Was there an audible sound of his lawyers slamming their hands into their foreheads?

They don’t care—it’s more billable hours.

[Warcodered]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

They don’t care—it’s more billable hours.

I mean that's true, but they might care that he appears like he's been competently prepped.

[Mr. WEO]

15 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean that's true, but they might care that he appears like he's been competently prepped.

 

Can't always control their clients.  But I really don't think they are sweating this.  It's a high profile case that only keeps their rep as a go to firm, win or lose.

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He brought up the fact that she was crying at the end of the encounter.   He wasn't asked that.

 

Of course not

[Mr. WEO]

15 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Of course not

 

 

Why does that seem like "a leading question"?

[Big Turk]

27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Why does that seem like "a leading question"?

 

Because they don't try and establish the reason as to why which is important to Watson's defense but the prosecutor doesn't want him to answer that because it allows them to speculate as to the why.

Edited May 24, 2022 by Big Turk

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

The thing is though, this isn't true.  They did the exact same thing will all of their big contracts recently.  Garrett, Ward, Chubb, restructured Cooper.  It looks bad, but you can't ignore that they did it with everyone, not just Watson.

 

Easy work-around is to just tack on a fine.  16 games plus a substantial fine.  

Edited May 24, 2022 by dneveu

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

This has happened before where a player got a very low rate because his salary was being paid for by previous team but clearly there intent was to shield him from penalties to get him to sign.  Teams have also converted salary to bonus for same reason.

Teams convert salary to bonus to get around the cap, not suspensions. 

 

How many other teams have done this?  Honestly asking. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Teams convert salary to bonus to get around the cap, not suspensions. 

 

How many other teams have done this?  Honestly asking. 

 

How many teams trade for a guy who's very liikely to get suspended for a year?

[cle23]

22 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Easy work-around is to just tack on a fine.  16 games plus a substantial fine.  

 

I am not sure they can do that.  We'd have to look into the CBA, but I highly doubt players can be fined directly for off the field problems.  On the field, sure, but I don't think they can be fined for anything off the field.  

Edited May 24, 2022 by cle23

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Because they don't try and establish the reason as to why which is important to Watson's defense but the prosecutor doesn't want him to answer that because it allows them to speculate as to the why.

Uhhh wut?  Have you read anything about this at all? It doesn’t seem so, at all. 
 

There is no prosecutor.  He’s being sued.  It’s a civil deposition. 
 

He was asked why he sent an apology text after that massage.  HE decided to answer by disclosing to the plaintiffs lawyer that she was crying at the end of the massage. 

 

[BarleyNY]

9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He brought up the fact that she was crying at the end of the encounter.   He wasn't asked that.

Specifically he was asked why he sent a text apologizing to her.  

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

How many teams trade for a guy who's very liikely to get suspended for a year?

If reports are to be believed 13 teams - to some extent at least - tried to trade for Watson.