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Rd 2, Pick 63 (31): RB James Cook, Georgia


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2 hours ago, junior said:

Scout quotes per long-time Packers and NFL beat writer, Bob McGinn:
 

AFC scout: “He gets a lot of play because he’s Dalvin’s brother but he’s nowhere near Dalvin Cook. He’s got a little bit of juice but he’s not real big. He can catch out of the backfield. I can see somebody taking him as a third-down back. He’s under Rachaad White for me.”

 

NFC scout: ”I think his most carries in a game was 10. Dalvin’s brother. Competitive little guy, which you would expect. He maximizes what he has. He might hang around as a backup and special teamer. Third back. Not much talent. People are trying to make something out of him but I’m confused by that.”

 

AFC scout: “He would be the best receiving threat (of the running backs).”

 

NFC scout: “He has the versatility to do a lot of different things. He may not be a true No. 1 running back but as a 1B he can do things in the passing game. He’d be a good, solid rotation guy that will make some plays for you.”

 

AFC scout: “Late third round. He didn’t start behind Zamir White. Played on passing downs. Excellent receiver. Has quickness in his routes. Makes big plays. Productive as a complementary back but never as a starter.”

 

NFC scout: “Underutilized. Not as talented as his brother but talented enough to get drafted in the late third or fourth round. He’s a backup only. He catches the ***** out of the ball but he can’t run the ball.”

 

AFC scout: “Smooth, one-cut slasher with linear burst. Like his production as a receiver but didn’t see dynamic or creative run skills, instincts or elusiveness. Most production was straight line and clear path. Not real big or violent. Unselfish teammate, stays humble, loves ball.”

 

AFC scout: “They split him out as a receiver. Average size but he’s athletic and explosive with acceleration and good speed. He can exploit a crease on inside runs. Can jump cut with quick feet and balance. He’s got the speed to get outside. He’s sudden in space. Has natural hands. Ripped off an 82-yard run against Alabama in 2020. He ran by guys that had pursuit angles on him. His issue is pass protection. He’s not real big. He’s done kick returning. Third-round area.”

 

AFC scout: “He’s a down the line guy.”

Actually this report makes me happy, he is a reciever put of the backfield. If they can coach up his blocking he could be an effective weapon. I am not a fan of having one premier running back on a team but would prefer a 1a and 1b type situation and going with the hot hand. 

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23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

BadOl, as far as contract values, this "a first should be a guy who you would have to pay $20M+ aav is ....let's just say, untenable for a team drafting late in the 1st round.

 

Reference:  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/ 

The players who are getting AAV are QB, WR, OLB/Edge/the occasional DT (pass rushers), a few LT, and 2 CB (Denzel Ward and Jalen Ramsey)

 

And in fact, we see that primarily, those are the postions drafted at the top of the 1st round.  But the top guys go quickly, and there aren't enough of them to fall to the bottom of the first - which is why we start seeing safeties, IOL, ILB and DTs drafted there.

 

So

1) your principle would argue that if a team is set at QB, WR1, and LT......the only players they should draft in the first round are potential pass rushers and perhaps WR or CB - whether or not we feel there is value at those positions when we draft in the 1st. 

2) even so, as a CB, if Kaiir Elam proves out to his potential ceiling, he will fall into that "guys you pay $20M AAV" category.

 

By the way, I don't think they "got tunnel vision because Levi Wallace was wearing the wrong color undies".  Like Harrison Phillips, I don't think they really wanted Wallace back here enough to prioritize signing him at the very reasonable deal he got.  They might have matched, if they had nothing going on - or they might not.  I think they wanted an upgrade, meaning a CB who can potentially play Man without getting pwn'd, and who can play physical at the LOS but be able to recover if he doesn't win.  Levi Wallace was Not That Guy.  Kaiir Elam, based on scouting, might become That Guy.

 

 

It might suggest trading out of those picks. His methodology is sound. 

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29 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yep, this is what I see, especially the Rachaad White comment. Don’t get this pick at all

In a vacuum, well, maybe he's not the best player available at 63.

But picks aren't made in a vacuum. They're made to (1) fill an immediate need, other than what you can fill for more money in free agency or a trade; and (2) build depth for the future when the current contributors become too expensive in free agency.

I see this as mostly (1) - filling an immediate need. We had basically no speed out of the backfield last year. Recognizing that, Daboll started using (ultimately over-using) McKenzie as a substitute, engineering ways to get him outside. But he's not in any way a running back; not even a CJ Spiller type speed back, so that was no plan for improvement in 2022. So they could've traded for a Gio Bernard (a guy without much left in the tank), could've signed a Philip Lindsey type (not the worst idea), or, as they did, tried to fill the roster need by using the 63rd pick overall. There isn't much room elsewhere to crack the roster since McD is unlikely (other than Elam, and I guess Araiza) to depend on non blue-chip rookies to fill a critical position given the fact that this team has Super Bowl aspirations and a Super Bowl-worthy roster already. If Daboll's Giants had used the 63rd overall pick on Cook, well, they would've been idiots. Thankfully we're not in that position anymore.

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15 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Judging by the response I received I don’t think that’s going to happen, at least not from that poster.


Yeah, that was an interesting response he gave you 😂…. Sometimes people see things that don’t exist…. 

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1 minute ago, wppete said:


Yeah, that was an interesting response he gave you 😂…. Sometimes people see things that don’t exist…. 

 

And sometimes people are incapable of seeing things which clearly exist.

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5 hours ago, Luka said:

This is how you maintain a team with a $250 million QB on it.

 

That take couldn't make less sense in this context.

 

This type of draft is the exact opposite of that philosophy.

 

It was a draft to address immediate needs that you think will help you in the very short term.

 

The way you maintain a team with a $250M QB on it is to keep infusing cheap talent into the expensive premium positions of your systems..........because it's THOSE players you can't afford to keep after contract 1 or replace in free agency with a $250M QB.

 

Any team can afford a Levi Wallace or JD McKissic or a slot receiver,  punter etc............even one's with $250M QB.

 

Instead of just parroting something you've heard someone say............try understanding the concept, bud. ;)

 

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5 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Not the best of reads, to be fair.

Looks like one of those reads that scouts will want to forget they wrote in a couple of years.   Often times players going into the league is all about the fit and how they are used in the league.   Word is he has blitz pickup chops.....he has pedigree.....and his strengths are obvious on tape.   Why in the world would we take a bellcow back that takes the ball OUT of Josh Allen's hands?   We are a passing team.   And I also dont buy that he cant carry the ball.   He fit into a nitch with his college team and they had someone else run the ball between the tackles.  As an outside zone runner?  I think he fits it perfectly.

21 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

You are making things up. He gets caught from behind plenty in the highlights I've watched on him.

 

It's rare that he even gets the opportunity to turn a carry into a foot race because he's taken to the turf so often on first contact.

 

He'll be a nice receiving target out of the backfield, but there's no reason to begin imagining qualities that didn't show up regularly. 

You are making things up.  He is not a 4.8 guy.....Where in the F do you get that from.

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12 hours ago, Garrett Williams said:

Just saw a replay of Cook finding out about who was drafting him. This just may be his personality, but he didn't look happy. And then his press conference he really looked like a guy who is living a nightmare turn of events.  First thing to came to my mind was seeing a kid opening a huge Christmas present and seeing 10 pair of underwear or socks.

 I know I'm probably imagining it, but he looked so unenthused about the situation he is in. Especially, after you see Terrel Bernard speak and realize Cook and Bernard are barely on the same planet, personality wise and enthusiasm wise. i can understand if he was dreaming of being drafted by Tampa or Miami or Atlanta or Tennessee so hopefully, I'm way wrong (and I am quite often) I do Like this draft. Nice having a great group of Exec's running this team. Go Bills!

Do you realize that he trains in the offseason with Motor?  

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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

BadOl, as far as contract values, this "a first should be a guy who you would have to pay $20M+ aav is ....let's just say, untenable for a team drafting late in the 1st round.

 

Reference:  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/ 

The players who are getting AAV are QB, WR, OLB/Edge/the occasional DT (pass rushers), a few LT, and 2 CB (Denzel Ward and Jalen Ramsey)

 

And in fact, we see that primarily, those are the postions drafted at the top of the 1st round.  But the top guys go quickly, and there aren't enough of them to fall to the bottom of the first - which is why we start seeing safeties, IOL, ILB and DTs drafted there.

 

So

1) your principle would argue that if a team is set at QB, WR1, and LT......the only players they should draft in the first round are potential pass rushers and perhaps WR or CB - whether or not we feel there is value at those positions when we draft in the 1st. 

2) even so, as a CB, if Kaiir Elam proves out to his potential ceiling, he will fall into that "guys you pay $20M AAV" category.

 

By the way, I don't think they "got tunnel vision because Levi Wallace was wearing the wrong color undies".  Like Harrison Phillips, I don't think they really wanted Wallace back here enough to prioritize signing him at the very reasonable deal he got.  They might have matched, if they had nothing going on - or they might not.  I think they wanted an upgrade, meaning a CB who can potentially play Man without getting pwn'd, and who can play physical at the LOS but be able to recover if he doesn't win.  Levi Wallace was Not That Guy.  Kaiir Elam, based on scouting, might become That Guy.

 

 

 

 

1) No........right off the bat you've somehow misunderstood my philosophy.

 

A team is never "set" at premium positions.

 

You read all my posts.........how many times have I told the Aaron Donald story? 100?

 

Thinking that you are "set" in the rapidly changing NFL is the first step onto the slippery slope of needy drafting.

 

I know most teams actually draft for need,  regardless of what they say............but that is also one of the reasons why 1/4 of the HC's and/or regimes get changed every year and why we haven't seen a repeat SB champion in a LONG time.

 

Ultimately the draft should be about doing what is right to achieve long term success........which is done first thru great QB play and second thru consistently winning matchups at key positions.

 

If your philosophy changes from draft to draft then it's not process oriented.  

 

As you may recall......I've been saying forever that the draft is a process of organization building.......not just an annual event to fill needs.

 

So people trying to Opinion Control Police me are wasting their time..........if it's not process........it's not going to get the stamp of approval of my individual and ultimately inconsequential opinion.:rolleyes:

 

Long term success is best achieved by getting the most value from your drafts and utilizing free agency to fill needs........preferably at less expensive positions(like the one's the Bills drafted).

 

2) The reason I say that I believe they got tunnel vision on a CB is because Beane said he didn't even talk to any teams about moving up before pick 20.   I can definitely buy that none of the CB's were worth moving up higher than that......they've got notable flaws and ceiling limitations.

 

But none of the players at other premium positions were either?   Trades were being made for value that was far below normal.........and Beane wasn't even checking that?   I don't buy that they didn't have higher grades on a receiver.........unless their BPA was actually colored by their perception of need.     Which has been my concern thru this process.

 

This is not the first time we have had a Bills team drafting with the perception that they were ALREADY a Super Bowl contender or favorite...........it was this way almost every year throughout the 1990's.    As I've said..........I've seen this kind of draft pattern before.   Maybe this is the new normal but I hope it's not.  

 

Either way,  it is what it is and the draft was A LOT of laughs on TSW this year either way. :lol:

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20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That take couldn't make less sense in this context.

 

This type of draft is the exact opposite of that philosophy.

 

It was a draft to address immediate needs that you think will help you in the very short term.

 

The way you maintain a team with a $250M QB on it is to keep infusing cheap talent into the expensive premium positions of your systems..........because it's THOSE players you can't afford to keep after contract 1 or replace in free agency with a $250M QB.

 

Any team can afford a Levi Wallace or JD McKissic or a slot receiver,  punter etc............even one's with $250M QB.

 

Just a note that whether he develops as a press CB2, remains to be determined, but it is highly doubtful whether the Bills drafted Kaiir Elam to be a "Levi Wallace".

From https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kaiir-elam/3200454c-4155-0002-a198-92eda6859fa9

Strengths

Desired size, length and strength for press man.

Well-balanced with ability to crowd and stuff the release.

Patient feet rarely fall for release fakes.

Able to swivel hips and pursue with fluidity.

Mirrors shifting routes with basketball agility.

Rarely bites on the cheese against double moves.

Allows receiver to close the cushion for him in Cover 3 and quarters coverage.

Squeezes deep sideline routes with physicality.

Contested catches are typically tilted in his favor.

Solid transition quickness to plant and drive on the throw.

Some improvement in his tackling on 2021 tape.

 

Richard Sherman (FWIW) commented that the physical traits are there and the gaps in his game are (in Sherman's opinion of course) eminently correctable with coaching.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Singletary will be our 1st and 2nd down RB. Cook is a weapon that can literally be used anywhere. Excited to see what plays they design for him.

literally anywhere? Sometimes people don't know how to use the word literally

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8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Do you realize that he trains in the offseason with Motor?  

Did not. Makes me feel better

10 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Im going to shed some light on this whole thing. His father died less then 2 years ago. He was his personal trainer.. his life... they had a very close relationship. At the presser he wore a picture of his father. This is a dude that does not like to show true emotions. I am sure his father had his favorite teams and he had his favorite teams. 

 

Also at the presser he talked about "it not hitting him yet"

 

The dude is going through a wide range of emotions.  Jim Kelly did not want to play for the Bills at all... Maybe this kid wanted to play/live where its warmer? who knowns. 1 week in buffalo with teamates will be all it takes.. 

Thanks brother

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7 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

So we all see a video of a guy who isn’t doing backflips after getting drafted, but why does everyone have to have that reaction? Have you watched other interviews from him where he shows tons of emotion that would make you think this way? Maybe he’s just a calm guy by nature, maybe he didn’t feel the need to ham it up for the camera…to me your thinking is the 20 years of drought thinking. The Bills are a destination now, players want to play in Buffalo

wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Just observing what I saw. Go Bills!

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3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

1) No........right off the bat you've somehow misunderstood my philosophy.

 

A team is never "set" at premium positions.

You read all my posts.........how many times have I told the Aaron Donald story? 100?

Thinking that you are "set" in the rapidly changing NFL is the first step onto the slippery slope of needy drafting.

 

 

So let me get this straight.  The positions I mentioned the Bills as being "set" at were QB and WR1 and LT.

Should one conclude you believe we should have drafted a LT or a QB at the bottom of the 1st, while we have Josh Allen signed for $258M through 2028 and Dawkins signed for 3 more years with $12M dead cap, simply because those are the positions which get resigned easy-peasy for >$20M?

 

C'mon man.

 

I'm pretty sure that if a pass rusher or WR the Bills liked with a 1st round grade had fallen to them, they would have pulled the trigger, but we were at the spot in the first round where the guy drafted ahead of us projects as an inside LB, and the next DE has "underdeveloped pass rush" as a tag, then folks were drafting IOL and safety.

Question: what exactly do you believe the Bills should have done with Pick 25 in the 1st round of the 2022 NFL draft?

 

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2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

And sometimes people are incapable of seeing things which clearly exist.

When you make a statement and then will not supply an example, doesn't that speak a little bit to the credibility of the statement? I would like to see who chased him down from behind and what was the situation on that play. 

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28 minutes ago, nucci said:

literally anywhere? Sometimes people don't know how to use the word literally

and by anywhere he means at his natural position of RB or lined up on the line of scrimmage as a receiver.

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44 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Looks like one of those reads that scouts will want to forget they wrote in a couple of years.   Often times players going into the league is all about the fit and how they are used in the league.   Word is he has blitz pickup chops.....he has pedigree.....and his strengths are obvious on tape.   Why in the world would we take a bellcow back that takes the ball OUT of Josh Allen's hands?   We are a passing team.   And I also dont buy that he cant carry the ball.   He fit into a nitch with his college team and they had someone else run the ball between the tackles.  As an outside zone runner?  I think he fits it perfectly.

You are making things up.  He is not a 4.8 guy.....Where in the F do you get that from.

Those holes that Singletary goes thru, Cook will go through faster. We have had two of the slowest RB's in the league and now we have a guy that can make some huge plays.....i believe if he is used to his strengths this will be an incredible player for us.  Singletary still has value but this guy is dynamite

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19 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

When you make a statement and then will not supply an example, doesn't that speak a little bit to the credibility of the statement? I would like to see who chased him down from behind and what was the situation on that play. 

 

Since we're on a football message board and not in a court of law, I'll suggest that it's OK to offer an opinion without committing a bunch of my life to providing video evidence to those who won't do their own homework.

You're free to regard that opinion as credible or not.

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34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So let me get this straight.  The positions I mentioned the Bills as being "set" at were QB and WR1 and LT.

Should one conclude you believe we should have drafted a LT or a QB at the bottom of the 1st, while we have Josh Allen signed for $258M through 2028 and Dawkins signed for 3 more years with $12M dead cap, simply because those are the positions which get resigned easy-peasy for >$20M?

 

C'mon man.

 

I'm pretty sure that if a pass rusher or WR the Bills liked with a 1st round grade had fallen to them, they would have pulled the trigger, but we were at the spot in the first round where the guy drafted ahead of us projects as an inside LB, and the next DE has "underdeveloped pass rush" as a tag, then folks were drafting IOL and safety.

Question: what exactly do you believe the Bills should have done with Pick 25 in the 1st round of the 2022 NFL draft?

 

 

 

First off.........I would have expected the GM to be on the phone and feeling out the trade up market.    Which was far cheaper than normal.   If trading the second round pick was off the table then that was a mistake.   You need to know your limitations........the second round has been a black hole for Beane.   IMO, you either believe there are reasons for your behavior and their results.........or you aren't self aware and do not.  

 

Yes, I would have taken a LT if the right player was there or reachable.   I had Penning rated very high.    Dawkins can be moved or the player can be moved inside to develop into a LT.   I'm of the opinion that if you get 7 years out of a bad bodied LT like Dawkins you've gotten every bit of what you could have expected.   And that 7th year is right around the corner.   I know @GunnerBill agrees with me about LT not being "set".

 

But why are you going there when 13 WR's went in the first 2 rounds?    And I wouldn't have been averse to taking an edge rusher either.    Why not?   They are carrying 9 or 10 DL and Shaq is a scrub and Epenesa is a disappointment with no production and Basham is an unknown with questionable upside going into his age 25 season.

 

I would have come out of this draft with Jameson Williams.    Perhaps I wouldn't have James Cook or Bernard but I would have had a potential $30M receiver.

 

But let's say the teams in front of me refused to take my superior offer for whatever reason.

 

I take Christian Watson.    And if he were gone I take Jermaine Johnson.    And if he were gone,  Boye Mafe.

 

Because in the Bills system those are premium positions......islands where they are earning their pay without being covered up by position or scheme..........and if they pan out the team would feel compelled to extend them.

 

I'm not sure that's the case with Elam.

 

If they were a press man team,  maybe that's different.   But they play zone.   He will be shielded by the system.

 

He could play well but they could easily decide that they could just plug in a Dane Jackson or Levi Wallace level type of player and be just fine rather than pick up his 5th year option or extend him.     Because they have LITERALLY done that for the past 4 seasons.  

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