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Rd 2, Pick 63 (31): RB James Cook, Georgia


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7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

 

I literally have never seen him get caught from behind in a straight line by a defender there are defenders that take Angles from the side to intercept him at a certain point from trying to score a touchdown he is plenty fast

 

He's got nice initial burst, but I have seen him caught from behind by multiple college players who had no angle on him.

Great quicks but I do not think he has NFL long speed.

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I am liking this pick more and more

 

Who are the A Holes talking about his demeanor and what do you care

 

He's here to play football and stay outa trouble

 

I dont think/care if we took him early. Excited to see him make plays.

 

 

 

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People read waaay too much into facial expressions. I know people who never smile in front of a camera. They are not unhappy, it’s just they are introverts and that’s their style. Other people will give you a fake smile all day long, that means nothing.

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Scout quotes per long-time Packers and NFL beat writer, Bob McGinn:
 

AFC scout: “He gets a lot of play because he’s Dalvin’s brother but he’s nowhere near Dalvin Cook. He’s got a little bit of juice but he’s not real big. He can catch out of the backfield. I can see somebody taking him as a third-down back. He’s under Rachaad White for me.”

 

NFC scout: ”I think his most carries in a game was 10. Dalvin’s brother. Competitive little guy, which you would expect. He maximizes what he has. He might hang around as a backup and special teamer. Third back. Not much talent. People are trying to make something out of him but I’m confused by that.”

 

AFC scout: “He would be the best receiving threat (of the running backs).”

 

NFC scout: “He has the versatility to do a lot of different things. He may not be a true No. 1 running back but as a 1B he can do things in the passing game. He’d be a good, solid rotation guy that will make some plays for you.”

 

AFC scout: “Late third round. He didn’t start behind Zamir White. Played on passing downs. Excellent receiver. Has quickness in his routes. Makes big plays. Productive as a complementary back but never as a starter.”

 

NFC scout: “Underutilized. Not as talented as his brother but talented enough to get drafted in the late third or fourth round. He’s a backup only. He catches the ***** out of the ball but he can’t run the ball.”

 

AFC scout: “Smooth, one-cut slasher with linear burst. Like his production as a receiver but didn’t see dynamic or creative run skills, instincts or elusiveness. Most production was straight line and clear path. Not real big or violent. Unselfish teammate, stays humble, loves ball.”

 

AFC scout: “They split him out as a receiver. Average size but he’s athletic and explosive with acceleration and good speed. He can exploit a crease on inside runs. Can jump cut with quick feet and balance. He’s got the speed to get outside. He’s sudden in space. Has natural hands. Ripped off an 82-yard run against Alabama in 2020. He ran by guys that had pursuit angles on him. His issue is pass protection. He’s not real big. He’s done kick returning. Third-round area.”

 

AFC scout: “He’s a down the line guy.”

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5 minutes ago, junior said:

Scout quotes per long-time Packers and NFL beat writer, Bob McGinn:
 

AFC scout: “He gets a lot of play because he’s Dalvin’s brother but he’s nowhere near Dalvin Cook. He’s got a little bit of juice but he’s not real big. He can catch out of the backfield. I can see somebody taking him as a third-down back. He’s under Rachaad White for me.”

 

NFC scout: ”I think his most carries in a game was 10. Dalvin’s brother. Competitive little guy, which you would expect. He maximizes what he has. He might hang around as a backup and special teamer. Third back. Not much talent. People are trying to make something out of him but I’m confused by that.”

 

AFC scout: “He would be the best receiving threat (of the running backs).”

 

NFC scout: “He has the versatility to do a lot of different things. He may not be a true No. 1 running back but as a 1B he can do things in the passing game. He’d be a good, solid rotation guy that will make some plays for you.”

 

AFC scout: “Late third round. He didn’t start behind Zamir White. Played on passing downs. Excellent receiver. Has quickness in his routes. Makes big plays. Productive as a complementary back but never as a starter.”

 

NFC scout: “Underutilized. Not as talented as his brother but talented enough to get drafted in the late third or fourth round. He’s a backup only. He catches the ***** out of the ball but he can’t run the ball.”

 

AFC scout: “Smooth, one-cut slasher with linear burst. Like his production as a receiver but didn’t see dynamic or creative run skills, instincts or elusiveness. Most production was straight line and clear path. Not real big or violent. Unselfish teammate, stays humble, loves ball.”

 

AFC scout: “They split him out as a receiver. Average size but he’s athletic and explosive with acceleration and good speed. He can exploit a crease on inside runs. Can jump cut with quick feet and balance. He’s got the speed to get outside. He’s sudden in space. Has natural hands. Ripped off an 82-yard run against Alabama in 2020. He ran by guys that had pursuit angles on him. His issue is pass protection. He’s not real big. He’s done kick returning. Third-round area.”

 

AFC scout: “He’s a down the line guy.”

 

Not the best of reads, to be fair.

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1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

He's got nice initial burst, but I have seen him caught from behind by multiple college players who had no angle on him.

Great quicks but I do not think he has NFL long speed.

Can you provide any games specifically and/or players who caught him from behind? Not saying your lying but would like to see the context. 

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The Bills have been rumored to have interest in Giovani Bernard at various times. My hope is we just got Giovani 2.0.

Every draft we see these inflated expectations surrounding 2nd/3rd rounders. It's wonderful when you hit the lottery and get a multi-year Pro Bowler. In reality, you want a good player who makes a solid contribution for the duration of team control over his salary.

Bernard's first 3 years: about 12-14 touches (rushing/receiving) per game, about 5-6 yards/touch, 9 TDs his rookie year, then 8 the next (then just 2) - exactly the kind of change of pace complement to Singletary that we've been missing. Will he be his brother? Probably not. That's why he went 63rd overall.

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3 hours ago, Doc said:

I'm not sure what the "low hanging fruit" comment means, but if they get several starters, who cares where it was hanging?

 

By LHF I mean they used their picks on very easy positions to fill and all non-premium positions as I defined them........zone CB, RB, WLB, slot WR, punter.

 

They got tunnel vision on a CB because Levi Wallace was wearing the wrong color undies when he made his decision where to sign his sub $5M aav deal..........and they took a RB in round 2 because the guy they thought they had signed for $3.5M aav backed out on them.

 

I assign $ value to picks........a first should be a guy who you would have to pay $20M+ aav to if they were at their ceiling and a free agent today.

 

A second would have to be in that $12M-$16M range for me.........which is prime real estate for a top end zone-system CB prospect.

 

Cook would have made sense value-wise in the late 3rd.

 

That's just how I judge drafts..........value and overall talent acquired.

 

Not the same as some grade it..........a lot of the grades you will see will be just based on how they addressed immediate needs..........which is then contradicted by the assumption that you won't know if the players were good until they get 3 years in your system.:lol: 

 

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DRAFT DAY: "Holy crap we just got our new Alvin Kamara!"

 

NOW THAT WE ARE SOBER: "Nice, we got a Geo Bernard"

 

Which is still great news! With our offense that's all we really need. Also, be real people - he is pick 63 for a reason!

 

I am pumped about the pick and can't wait to watch him and our offense develop.

 

GO BILLS

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1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Can you provide any games specifically and/or players who caught him from behind? Not saying your lying but would like to see the context. 


yeah I would like to see that also…. 

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1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Can you provide any games specifically and/or players who caught him from behind? Not saying your lying but would like to see the context. 

 

I don't remember specifically against who or what particular plays.

I just saw him beating people with that initial burst but then maxing out his top end speed and being run down from behind.

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5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I don't remember specifically against who or what particular plays.

I just saw him beating people with that initial burst but then maxing out his top end speed and being run down from behind.

I know, I know, different kinds of backs, but ... given that we can hope Cook will steal Zack Moss's carries, and given that Moss's longest run last year was 17 yards, I think I'll take "50 yards and caught from behind."

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

By LHF I mean they used their picks on very easy positions to fill and all non-premium positions as I defined them........zone CB, RB, WLB, slot WR, punter.

 

They got tunnel vision on a CB because Levi Wallace was wearing the wrong color undies when he made his decision where to sign his sub $5M aav deal..........and they took a RB in round 2 because the guy they thought they had signed for $3.5M aav backed out on them.

 

I assign $ value to picks........a first should be a guy who you would have to pay $20M+ aav to if they were at their ceiling and a free agent today.

 

BadOl, as far as contract values, this "a first should be a guy who you would have to pay $20M+ aav is ....let's just say, untenable for a team drafting late in the 1st round.

 

Reference:  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/ 

The players who are getting AAV are QB, WR, OLB/Edge/the occasional DT (pass rushers), a few LT, and 2 CB (Denzel Ward and Jalen Ramsey)

 

And in fact, we see that primarily, those are the postions drafted at the top of the 1st round.  But the top guys go quickly, and there aren't enough of them to fall to the bottom of the first - which is why we start seeing safeties, IOL, ILB and DTs drafted there.

 

So

1) your principle would argue that if a team is set at QB, WR1, and LT......the only players they should draft in the first round are potential pass rushers and perhaps WR or CB - whether or not we feel there is value at those positions when we draft in the 1st. 

2) even so, as a CB, if Kaiir Elam proves out to his potential ceiling, he will fall into that "guys you pay $20M AAV" category.

 

By the way, I don't think they "got tunnel vision because Levi Wallace was wearing the wrong color undies".  Like Harrison Phillips, I don't think they really wanted Wallace back here enough to prioritize signing him at the very reasonable deal he got.  They might have matched, if they had nothing going on - or they might not.  I think they wanted an upgrade, meaning a CB who can potentially play Man without getting pwn'd, and who can play physical at the LOS but be able to recover if he doesn't win.  Levi Wallace was Not That Guy.  Kaiir Elam, based on scouting, might become That Guy.

 

 

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

By LHF I mean they used their picks on very easy positions to fill and all non-premium positions as I defined them........zone CB, RB, WLB, slot WR, punter.

 

They got tunnel vision on a CB because Levi Wallace was wearing the wrong color undies when he made his decision where to sign his sub $5M aav deal..........and they took a RB in round 2 because the guy they thought they had signed for $3.5M aav backed out on them.

 

I assign $ value to picks........a first should be a guy who you would have to pay $20M+ aav to if they were at their ceiling and a free agent today.

 

A second would have to be in that $12M-$16M range for me.........which is prime real estate for a top end zone-system CB prospect.

 

Cook would have made sense value-wise in the late 3rd.

 

That's just how I judge drafts..........value and overall talent acquired.

 

Not the same as some grade it..........a lot of the grades you will see will be just based on how they addressed immediate needs..........which is then contradicted by the assumption that you won't know if the players were good until they get 3 years in your system.:lol:

 

Sure losing Levi factored-into their decision.  But beyond that, people have been clamoring for them to upgrade that position for years regardless, and they were trying to do it early last year, but didn't find value.  And Beane said he was their last 1st round graded player, so it was BPA.  I'm not sure what other premium position you were looking for there as CBs certainly get $20M/year if at their ceiling and on the market, like Tre would.

 

As for Cook, after losing-out on McKissic they signed Duke Johnson, who is a more productive player.  And how many draft experts and fans here were clamoring for them to add a RB (albeit Breece Hall) to make them less 1-dimensional?  Now they have a guy who can play as a WR.  And he was essentially a 3rd rounder.

 

Just out of curiosity, who would you have taken?

 

 

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2 hours ago, junior said:

Scout quotes per long-time Packers and NFL beat writer, Bob McGinn:
 

AFC scout: “He gets a lot of play because he’s Dalvin’s brother but he’s nowhere near Dalvin Cook. He’s got a little bit of juice but he’s not real big. He can catch out of the backfield. I can see somebody taking him as a third-down back. He’s under Rachaad White for me.”

 

NFC scout: ”I think his most carries in a game was 10. Dalvin’s brother. Competitive little guy, which you would expect. He maximizes what he has. He might hang around as a backup and special teamer. Third back. Not much talent. People are trying to make something out of him but I’m confused by that.”

 

AFC scout: “He would be the best receiving threat (of the running backs).”

 

NFC scout: “He has the versatility to do a lot of different things. He may not be a true No. 1 running back but as a 1B he can do things in the passing game. He’d be a good, solid rotation guy that will make some plays for you.”

 

AFC scout: “Late third round. He didn’t start behind Zamir White. Played on passing downs. Excellent receiver. Has quickness in his routes. Makes big plays. Productive as a complementary back but never as a starter.”

 

NFC scout: “Underutilized. Not as talented as his brother but talented enough to get drafted in the late third or fourth round. He’s a backup only. He catches the ***** out of the ball but he can’t run the ball.”

 

AFC scout: “Smooth, one-cut slasher with linear burst. Like his production as a receiver but didn’t see dynamic or creative run skills, instincts or elusiveness. Most production was straight line and clear path. Not real big or violent. Unselfish teammate, stays humble, loves ball.”

 

AFC scout: “They split him out as a receiver. Average size but he’s athletic and explosive with acceleration and good speed. He can exploit a crease on inside runs. Can jump cut with quick feet and balance. He’s got the speed to get outside. He’s sudden in space. Has natural hands. Ripped off an 82-yard run against Alabama in 2020. He ran by guys that had pursuit angles on him. His issue is pass protection. He’s not real big. He’s done kick returning. Third-round area.”

 

AFC scout: “He’s a down the line guy.”

Yep, this is what I see, especially the Rachaad White comment. Don’t get this pick at all

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