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8 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Let's be honest here.

 

McDermott is no match for Reid.

 

McDermott is playing checkers while Reid is playing chess

Reid didn't do it. Kelce created his own route based on what the Bills players showed. 

 

Just like on 4th and 13 TD to Gabe Davis. Allen changed Davis' route, not a coach. Players play!

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90% of people in here have no idea what they’re talking about (I don’t either). All echo chambering the same drivel, it’s like a freaking episode of black mirror in here. 
 

You all really think the most likely scenario is that the Bills defensive coaching staff, who have near 50 years combined experience at the highest level of the sport, that they simply didn’t know what to do?

 

Or is it more likely that an extremely tired player had their brain freeze up in the moment and just accessed the wrong muscle memory at the worst possible time?
 

Look how close Hughes was on that pass to Kelce. If, as the poster earlier suggested, and Wallace played inside leverage and having the shell disguise trick the Chiefs into attacking a disguised double coverage, and Mahomes had to actually double pump it, Hughes crushes him. Holy crap, the whole thing, was a set up to fool the chiefs, and the four rushing lineman was a trick to manipulate the line call to get Hughes an open run at a sack fumble game over. It almost worked. McD said they practice that scenario over and over throughout the year, wanna guess what they likely were trying to do? Seriously, if you think the scenario of we’re up by three in Arrowhead with under 20 seconds left and Chiefs have all their timeouts wasn’t practiced day one in their first closed training camp. I mean come on guys, it’s just way too likely a scenario and would motivate the heck out of the players all year. 

 

Anyway, my favorite are the people saying that Diggs and Knox were taken out of the game so effectively, while Davis put up 201 with 4 tds, including a 75 yard bomb at the (first) key turning point of the game.

 

That sequence should have gotten the Bills the win, there should not have been a drive for KC with 1:54 on the clock. After that Davis bomb TD, iirc the defense got the stop and the bills got the ball back and went on the 17 play drive. Biggest reason they lost was the briefest lapse in execution by the Bills offense that lead to the 4th and 13 or whatever where Davis caught his 3rd td.
 

The goal was to score with under a minute and KC taking all their timeouts. That dump off to Singletary that he didn’t drop (or really whatever the play call was there possibly) was low key they reason the Bills lost, because they basically had to call a winning play there, there was no choice.
 

That drive was set up to be a 25 play drive to salt the game away going into the end zone like the first drive of the game. Think Texas vs USC style (honestly, Josh Allen’s performance in this game was really similar to Vince Young’s in that game).
 

You give the ball back with 2 min and three time outs to Mahomes, what do you think is going to happen? Worst part, they were already clearly spent, but then ended up chasing Hill 90 yards across the field on that touchdown and that just totally gassed them for overtime. 

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1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

this thread is not helping me move on 

We have Josh Allen and the rest of the AFC East doesn't.  Mahomes will have to deal with Herbert at least twice a year.  Burrow and Jackson will try and take each other out every year.  The AFC South is a joke without an elite quarterback.  We may not be the best team every year but because we play in the AFC East we'll be best positioned to get the #1 seed over the next five years assuming Beane and McDermott do their job.  This loss was BRUTAL but our future is bright.

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29 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

90% of people in here have no idea what they’re talking about (I don’t either). All echo chambering the same drivel, it’s like a freaking episode of black mirror in here. 
 

You all really think the most likely scenario is that the Bills defensive coaching staff, who have near 50 years combined experience at the highest level of the sport, that they simply didn’t know what to do?

 

Or is it more likely that an extremely tired player had their brain freeze up in the moment and just accessed the wrong muscle memory at the worst possible time?
 

Look how close Hughes was on that pass to Kelce. If, as the poster earlier suggested, and Wallace played inside leverage and having the shell disguise trick the Chiefs into attacking a disguised double coverage, and Mahomes had to actually double pump it, Hughes crushes him. Holy crap, the whole thing, was a set up to fool the chiefs, and the four rushing lineman was a trick to manipulate the line call to get Hughes an open run at a sack fumble game over. It almost worked. McD said they practice that scenario over and over throughout the year, wanna guess what they likely were trying to do? Seriously, if you think the scenario of we’re up by three in Arrowhead with under 20 seconds left and Chiefs have all their timeouts wasn’t practiced day one in their first closed training camp. I mean come on guys, it’s just way too likely a scenario and would motivate the heck out of the players all year. 

 

Anyway, my favorite are the people saying that Diggs and Knox were taken out of the game so effectively, while Davis put up 201 with 4 tds, including a 75 yard bomb at the (first) key turning point of the game.

 

That sequence should have gotten the Bills the win, there should not have been a drive for KC with 1:54 on the clock. After that Davis bomb TD, iirc the defense got the stop and the bills got the ball back and went on the 17 play drive. Biggest reason they lost was the briefest lapse in execution by the Bills offense that lead to the 4th and 13 or whatever where Davis caught his 3rd td.
 

The goal was to score with under a minute and KC taking all their timeouts. That dump off to Singletary that he didn’t drop (or really whatever the play call was there possibly) was low key they reason the Bills lost, because they basically had to call a winning play there, there was no choice.
 

That drive was set up to be a 25 play drive to salt the game away going into the end zone like the first drive of the game. Think Texas vs USC style (honestly, Josh Allen’s performance in this game was really similar to Vince Young’s in that game).
 

You give the ball back with 2 min and three time outs to Mahomes, what do you think is going to happen? Worst part, they were already clearly spent, but then ended up chasing Hill 90 yards across the field on that touchdown and that just totally gassed them for overtime. 

I've yet to see a Milano and Wallace interview since the game ended. Maybe I  just missed it.

 

I'm not blaming them, I just have questions. 

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12 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

I'll keep saying it, where are our all pro Safeties? Tremaine Edmunds? Who's job was it to blanket him? Coaches coach but the players have to execute. How do you not cover him?

They were playing deep to prevent a TD.  Frazier did not want to lose on a deep pass.  This is on the Dc and the defense he called.  

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5 minutes ago, Nitro said:

They were playing deep to prevent a TD.  Frazier did not want to lose on a deep pass.  This is on the Dc and the defense he called.  

Old DC's don't realize the prevent Defense is done in the NFL. Especially when a team was looking for the FG and not a TD.

 

Frazier has hurt the Bills in the past woth this type of defense. Old outdated and cost the Bills a Super Bowl run.

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14 hours ago, beebe said:
 
The video confirms some of the postgame quotes we saw. The Bills timeouts did indeed help the Chiefs. By the way, Kelce didn't speak very quietly even with Addison sitting right there? 
 
And Mahomes barking out his name, as if to say, "Cover him!" It's kinda wild. 

 

Why does the say McDermott it should it bright colors for everyone to se FRAZIER.

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13 hours ago, colin said:

i still can't decide if i think it was all on mcd, who simply thought kc was out of timeouts, or on frazier, who isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer and thinks having a back up plan is a bad idea, is who is most responsible for this horrible display.

 

i suppose it is possible that jonny details, our head coach, got so lost in the details he couldn't see the full picture and decided to call a guaranteed FG allowing d to stop a potential TD, but even after this abortion of an ending i think that's just too much.  

 

 


He knew Josh was 9-0 on coin flips and figured they’d win it and get the ball first in OT?

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14 hours ago, coloradobillsfan said:

 

Here are all the key words.  You don't get one free down to tackle all their receivers.  

 

ARTICLE 3. INTENTIONAL FOULS TO MANIPULATE GAME CLOCK

A team may not commit multiple fouls during the same down in an attempt to manipulate the game clock.

Penalty: For multiple fouls to run off time from the game clock: Loss of 15 yards, and the game clock will be reset to where it was at the snap. After the penalty is enforced, the game clock will start on the next snap.

Then you just commit a single holding call on the first play.  Line someone up on Kelce - don't tackle him, but run wth him and grab his jersey or get your arm around him right away (I say hold Kelce vs Hill b/c chance that Hill blows past you before you can even get hands on him).  Then it is a regular 5 yd penalty and time goes off clock.  If for some reason they don't call it, you've taken Kelce out of the play (and let's assume you've double-teamed Hill legitimately as well).  If they call it you're potentially looking at 1st down from the 30 with 7-8 secs left.

 

OMG just thinking about this is making me nauseous again

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17 hours ago, Process said:

Our safeties were 40 yards down the field.

 

A complete choke job by the coaching staff.

 

 

I tend to believe this is the case, the players played the scheme called on the play which was absolutely horrendous. 

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10 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

I tend to believe this is the case, the players played the scheme called on the play which was absolutely horrendous. 

We actually would have had a better chance to win had we missed the 2 pt conversion...  Wouldn't have been able to play so conservative and settle for the tie.  Sickening.   

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17 hours ago, Steptide said:

This is gonna hit the tweets and is gonna get blow back. Again, I feel really bad for Allen. The coaching failed him

 

Maybe the coaching call did but what about the players ? Wallace, Addison, Or Milano were right there & i don't see that it wasn't above any of them to play outside the call especially if they are listening to what we just did . If they can pick that up on a mike from the sidelines i'm thinking 1 of them heard that too .

 

So adjust ! But i cannot for the life of me understand why you are in prevent mode Kelsey is the best at his position in the NFL & he is that guy that does exactly what he did to the Bills and the Bills know this yet you give him a free run like that makes no sense player or coach you bust him in the mouth coming off the line get a holding call what ever but DO NOT LET HIM FREE !! 

 

It was a bad D call & player call I'm thinking if Wallace or Millano the 2 Bills he split would have jumped and hit him, held him, rode his ass down the field & got a 5 yd penalty all the while making Mahomes run around wasting time on the clock & the AFC east championship game goes to OP McD wouldn't be unhappy with their decision . 

 

This audio lets us all know why Kelsey is the best at his position and why they are moving on & the Bills are not but hopefully all will learn from it !! 

 

 

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You see a lot of "Worst coaching decisions in NFL history" lists or videos . Unfortunately the Bills coaching moves in the last 13 seconds are going to be added to that all time list for the kickoff and those 2 defensive playcalls, you could even add taking two timeouts defensively during it (and then proceeding to do nothing different) to that steaming turd pile as well. 

 

I dont want McD or anyone else for fired for this. Overall these coaches through their combined efforts have brought us to a new level of competition but all through the "process" , there have been troubling signs that McD and his coaches have sometimes not been properly prepared for games or freeze in pressure situations. You can argue using analytics or common sense to coach in those situations but the Bills coaches seemed to ignore BOTH in those last 13 seconds. I hope it never happens again and they learn from this that there must be a plan or a strategy mapped out for every possible situation to improve success. In addition, McD must come clean to the players and fans on who was responsible or just take the blame himself and be done with it. Yesterday was far too wishy washy and vague. 

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With 13 seconds left from their 25 yard line, no receiver should have been let run free. Hold them or even tackle them. It’s only a 5 yard penalty AND the time runs off the clock. So they now have the ball at the 30 with 8 seconds. Do it again and they have the ball at the 35 with maybe 2 or 3 seconds. Game over.

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