BADOLBILZ Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: You do realize there is this whole thing called Free Agency as well, right? Also trades happen. If the "story of the season" was the Jags game...if you really wants to single it down to 1 game...could just as easily be a game where the Bills got thrashed in the run at home against a team that ultimately missed the playoffs as well(Colts). Or the game against the Patriots where they win by running...agaim at home....or Titans where the opponent ran all over Buffalo for the W. Hmm...sense a theme in all those losses. The Patriots and Titans didn't have great days running the ball against Buffalo..........they each had one single big run play that made a big difference but were otherwise stoned by the Bills defense in the run game. Specifically that Patriots game at home........what the Bills needed was someone on offense who could take a short pass and make it into a big play. There are going to be days like that when Allen isn't as sharp or when the weather conditions dictate a short passing game..........the Bills do not have the personnel in the passing game to pick up the slack on those days. They are a station-to-station passing offense. No RAC. That's why a journeyman type in McKenzie with some RAC ability looked dynamic at times. It's the personnel. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: i think it was worse than that.... I think it was flat route to Reggie Gilliam, Singletary run, Singletary run and on the 3rd down run he got knocked back so that 4th down wasn't even a consideration. Brutal. And the Titans. It is like the AFC South is zigging while the rest of the AFC is zagging. IIRC it was a 7 yard run by DS, a 1 yard run by DS, and a 1 yard run by McKenzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Trent McDuffie CB https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/trent-mcduffie/zeZljeyLWy Andrew Booth CB https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/andrew-booth/pPkn8PTdSq Kaiir Elam CB https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/kaiir-elam/maMlNW0HoN The Bills need another starting outside CB that can shutdown top WR options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD716 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Slot WR TE #2 Run stopping DT for rotation Free agent DE that gets to QB x2 1st round DB with Tre recovering Power running back Center Middle LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: A WR with blazing speed please in round 1 is where I'm at currently. What does that landscape look like for the 2022 class? 16 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: We'll see about the names in the coming months... But right now I think the odds favor O-Line and speed at WR... Beane hasn't focused on speed guys on offense for whatever reason. Diggs is plenty fast, but Beasley, Sanders, Davis, Singletary, and Moss are all relatively slow. They’ve all been productive players, but it makes me wonder if Beane prefers getting players at a discount because they don’t have the measurables. McKenzie is the only guy who is a real threat to make defenders look silly, and his story in Buffalo may have already been written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: i think it was worse than that.... I think it was flat route to Reggie Gilliam, Singletary run, Singletary run and on the 3rd down run he got knocked back so that 4th down wasn't even a consideration. Brutal. That was Daboll doing his Mike Mularkey/Sam Wyche routine. He mostly got away from that propensity for "gotcha'" plays that don't make sense late in the year and the strung out run plays that can't work against a fast flowing defense. But he gave away 2 drives with those decisions to take the ball out of Allen's hands. Whether it was designed to go to him or not........there is no way that Gilliam should ever be running that route. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: The Patriots and Titans didn't have great days running the ball against Buffalo..........they each had one single big run play that made a big difference but were otherwise stoned by the Bills defense in the run game. Specifically that Patriots game at home........what the Bills needed was someone on offense who could take a short pass and make it into a big play. There are going to be days like that when Allen isn't as sharp or when the weather conditions dictate a short passing game..........the Bills do not have the personnel in the passing game to pick up the slack on those days. They are a station-to-station passing offense. No RAC. That's why a journeyman type in McKenzie with some RAC ability looked dynamic at times. It's the personnel. No offense intended...but in my eyes that is always the weakest of arguments. Yea, if you take away big plays it doesn't look as impressive...almost like if there was a big dude clogging up the middle those big runs may not have happened. Also, you can't just "eliminate" a big run. You or I have no idea how the rest of the drive pans out. What if instead of a 60 yard run the RB ripped off 10 six yard runs. Same yardage. Lower YPC...but it all adds up. Is that still not getting run on? Better? Worse? It's all a viewpoint based debate in my opinion. I will agree with YAC being an issue. That does have something to do with personell...true. It's one of the reasons I'd love to see the Bills target Godwin who finished 6th in YAC even missing games at the end. However it also has a lot to do with how teams defended our pass. This year those crossers to Diggs and Beasley that we saw last season were largely taken away. We were turned more into a "take what we can" passing team. Teams would allow short underneath passes and collapse in. Gotta scheme up something there. Also, if teams know they can easily run on the Bills...what better way to keep Josh Allen off the field? Eat up clock, shorten the game, limit possessions and it helps when your opponent has Superman as their QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Billl said: Beane hasn't focused on speed guys on offense for whatever reason. Diggs is plenty fast, but Beasley, Sanders, Davis, Singletary, and Moss are all relatively slow. They’ve all been productive players, but it makes me wonder if Beane prefers getting players at a discount because they don’t have the measurables. McKenzie is the only guy who is a real threat to make defenders look silly, and his story in Buffalo may have already been written. Yes, and I think speed at the position is something Beane needs to once again consider, and I am familiar with our current Wr's. I was really only asking what the '22 draft class looks like for speed at WR. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 43 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: No way he lasts anywhere close to #25. Its probably wishful thinking yeh, most of the boards Ive been reading have him in the teens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: That was Daboll doing his Mike Mularkey/Sam Wyche routine. He mostly got away from that propensity for "gotcha'" plays that don't make sense late in the year and the strung out run plays that can't work against a fast flowing defense. But he gave away 2 drives with those decisions to take the ball out of Allen's hands. Whether it was designed to go to him or not........there is no way that Gilliam should ever be running that route. Oh but it was worse than that. IIRC the defense had just spent 8 minutes giving up a long drive, and desperately needed the offense to sustain a drive of their own. The Bills "responded" by calling 3 nowhere plays and punting on 4th and short, forcing the D back onto the field. It was one of many examples yesterday of the coaches not being plugged into what was actually happening on the field. It's highly disturbing. Again, the Pegulas aren't serious human beings or there would at least be some level of talking-to accountability - firing McD would be rash and stupid but he should absolutely be put on notice for his lack of situational awareness in critical moments all season. It HAS to stop if this team cares about championships. Jim Irsay is a nutjob but at least he demands excellence for his fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, TheProcess said: Speed, speed, and more speed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I think it needs to be OL. This team struggled on the middle part of the year when the line fell apart. Allen seemed to regress under constant pressure and the run game was worthless then too. Once the line gelled at the end, our O became unstoppable. Give me a first round G or C to improve the passing ge and run game with guys we already have. Then draft the fastest WRs in the later rounds. I don't see how our D coulda been better last night, in terms of personnel. Mahommes is just unstoppable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH HUFF Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: The best center or guard available. If we draft D, I might hurt myself👿 Didn't the D just give up over 40 points! NEED to improve. DE & DT, Bye to Mario Addison, Jerry Hughes and probably Star. Also need a corner. T White might not be the same player after knee injury. I would love to see an upgrade at RB too. The line and offense just put up 36 points on the road and lost because of bad coaching decisions, 13 seconds! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Trent McDuffie CB https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/trent-mcduffie/zeZljeyLWy Andrew Booth CB https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/andrew-booth/pPkn8PTdSq Kaiir Elam CB https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/kaiir-elam/maMlNW0HoN The Bills need another starting outside CB that can shutdown top WR options I'm with you on a top CB. Nice list. I would probably add Roger McCreary as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said: No offense intended...but in my eyes that is always the weakest of arguments. Yea, if you take away big plays it doesn't look as impressive...almost like if there was a big dude clogging up the middle those big runs may not have happened. Also, you can't just "eliminate" a big run. You or I have no idea how the rest of the drive pans out. What if instead of a 60 yard run the RB ripped off 10 six yard runs. Same yardage. Lower YPC...but it all adds up. Is that still not getting run on? Better? Worse? It's all a viewpoint based debate in my opinion. I will agree with YAC being an issue. That does have something to do with personell...true. It's one of the reasons I'd love to see the Bills target Godwin who finished 6th in YAC even missing games at the end. However it also has a lot to do with how teams defended our pass. This year those crossers to Diggs and Beasley that we saw last season were largely taken away. We were turned more into a "take what we can" passing team. Teams would allow short underneath passes and collapse in. Gotta scheme up something there. Also, if teams know they can easily run on the Bills...what better way to keep Josh Allen off the field? Eat up clock, shorten the game, limit possessions and it helps when your opponent has Superman as their QB. They were a bad YAC team last year as well so it had nothing to do with defensive adjustments. Go back and watch tape of last year..........the receivers took a horrible beating from all the short passes in front of defenders who then came up fast to hit them because they weren't afraid of the receiver evading their grasp and making a play. You could put a WWF highlight reel together from all the body slams Beasley and Diggs took in 2020. Teams can't run easily on the Bills defense. They have a very solid run defense. The only bad day the Bills had against the run was Indy..........who had the highest draft pedigreed OL in NFL history and the league's best RB..........they got a lead and the Bills played terrible that day. They would have lost to a lot of teams that day. What killed them in TN was play action passing..........which works well regardless of whether you can run it consistently or not if it's well executed. And it was. Great performance for the Titans and still the Bills should have won that game outright. Bad blocks by an ailing LT and a soon benched LG snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. At home against NE it was their inability to make plays for Josh Allen...........that game and the Jax game were opposite ends of the spectrum of performance from Allen..........but both days where they needed a playmaker and couldn't find a single one. All respect to Diggs........great at getting open.........bad at YAC. And after him the playmaking ability after the catch falls off significantly among their starting 4 of Diggs/Beas/Sanders/Davis. Davis is a tremendous #3 option..........they need a 1B who can fill that chasm between Diggs short routes and Davis deep routes with explosiveness. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nextmanup Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, peterpan said: I think it needs to be OL. This team struggled on the middle part of the year when the line fell apart. Allen seemed to regress under constant pressure and the run game was worthless then too. Once the line gelled at the end, our O became unstoppable. Give me a first round G or C to improve the passing ge and run game with guys we already have. Then draft the fastest WRs in the later rounds. I don't see how our D coulda been better last night, in terms of personnel. Mahommes is just unstoppable. The thing to remember is that a better OL makes Josh a better---and much more consistent---QB. And making Josh play his best should be the first, second, and third top priority this offseason! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Gonna find out if Marie Antoinette Pegula really meant what she said here: https://www.nfl.com/news/buffalo-owner-kim-pegula-2020-set-the-floor-for-bills-the-bar-is-much-higher-in- Something tells me it was conjecture, so long as the dollars are flowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I want to wait until after free agency, but if the draft was today, I think CB is the most likely position that we would draft RD1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, RyanC883 said: trade pick for premier pass rusher. If drafting, BPA. Really, this team could upgrade everywhere but QB. Bean needs to stop targeting positions. It failed last two years with zero impact DE's on the roster. We need an impact player that can change the game at a meaningful time in the front 7. I think this may be a year where beane will look to be aggressive and get a guy, we are now neck and neck with KC and Josh is one of the 2 best qbs in the league. I'm think xxx player may be our first round pick like Diggs was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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