What a Massive beat down!

[billsfan_34]

53 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen was on fire all night! I had a little hope when they were getting pressure on the first drive but then he scrambled for like 60 yards on that drive..  The night was over on the very first drive by NE when Hyde made a highlight reel interception. (I was impressed as a football fan and depressed as a Pats fan by it lol)

 

Bills stomped a mud hole in my Pats and well good luck the rest of the way. 
 

(This was meant as congratulations, I don’t want to talk about Mac Jones.. you want to tell me the Pats D is garbage I won’t argue after tonight.)

Thanks for being classy and see ya next year- cheers bro!

[Wacka]

47 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Practice? My grandmother would have given the Bills a tougher time.. and she been dead for 20 years!! Lol (sorry that just went threw my head when you said that.. lol) 

Betty White could have played better.

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, mikemac2001 said:

I like a lot of your posts I think your fair on both sides 

 

but Josh did this - Josh put in the work and I think he could do this in any system as long as they believed and gave him chance 

That’s just it I don’t think the Pats would have ever drafted him out of college. It isn’t their kind of QB… more of a knock on my teams coaches than Allen lol. 

[SinceThe70s]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

That was on target and in stride, put a little more on it and it’s overthrown.. Aghalor had like a step in him. It really doesn’t matter lol because it was a great play by Hyde to pick it.. most safeties and CB can’t do that!

 

On target and in stride could have happened before Hyde got there with a stronger throw IMO. 

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

On target and in stride could have happened before Hyde got there with a stronger throw IMO. 

Maybe, but again not an INT I would be upset at looking  at in the locker room as a coach. That was a great D play.. 

[Ghost_002!]

7 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

On target and in stride could have happened before Hyde got there with a stronger throw IMO. 

 

 

There was nothing wrong w that throw. It was a great play made by Hyde. Not every throw will be perfect by a QB sometimes the defender makes a better play.

[Jackalope89]

6 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Pal, you have no clue what you are talking about. Josh his rookie year could have won as many games with the Pats roster this year. To say Belichick and McDaniels couldn’t develop Josh is just dumb.

Well, outside of Brady, Bill-boy hasn't had much luck with QBs.

And as a Wyoming fan... Systems most definitely can alter QBs. Josh going into the NFL had bad footwork and very used to hero ball and taking off. The latter kind of helped that first year in Buffalo, but at Wyoming, it was and still is, a "ground and pound" style offense. Well, its supposed to be, but, well, yeah. And because of that, Josh had all the physical ability, but practically no finesse. His screen passing was sadly, about non-existant. Really, his short passing game, even to wide open guys, was 50/50 at best.

 

My first post, after a couple of years of being lurker, and its something like this. Who knew?

[SinceThe70s]

2 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

There was nothing wrong w that throw. It was a great play made by Hyde. Not every throw will be perfect by a QB sometimes the defender makes a better play.

 

Bolded is true, but that's not my point. Under the same circumstances some QB's get the throw there before the defender. That throw was a rainbow and allowed Hyde to close and make the great play he made.

[Ghost_002!]

12 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Bolded is true, but that's not my point. Under the same circumstances some QB's get the throw there before the defender. That throw was a rainbow and allowed Hyde to close and make the great play he made.

 

 

Again nothing was wrong with that throw. If you go back and watch the whole play 

 

1. You would see the effort Hyde put it in just to get there...cause the throw was that good.

 

2. The angle and distance Jones had to throw that ball..it was exactly right and hit the receiver in stride...

 

As I said...not every throw will ever be perfect or I should say not every int is cause the QB throws a bad ball. The defender made a great play, a game changer...Jones threw a very good ball.

Edited January 16, 2022 by Ghost_002!

[atlbillsfan1975]

7 minutes ago, Jackalope89 said:

Well, outside of Brady, Bill-boy hasn't had much luck with QBs.

And as a Wyoming fan... Systems most definitely can alter QBs. Josh going into the NFL had bad footwork and very used to hero ball and taking off. The latter kind of helped that first year in Buffalo, but at Wyoming, it was and still is, a "ground and pound" style offense. Well, its supposed to be, but, well, yeah. And because of that, Josh had all the physical ability, but practically no finesse. His screen passing was sadly, about non-existant. Really, his short passing game, even to wide open guys, was 50/50 at best.

 

My first post, after a couple of years of being lurker, and its something like this. Who knew?

True. Thanks for your post, I like hearing from Wyoming fans. My point to that Pats fan was this: how can someone be a great coach if they can’t develop or coach someone up? McDaniels has been an OC for 18 years with NE. I find it hard to believe that McDaniels and Belichick wouldn’t want Josh. Sounds more like someone who is a blind loyalist. 

[Real McClappy]

[atlbillsfan1975]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Again noting was wrong with that throw. If you go back and watch thr whole play 

 

1. You would see the effort Hyde put it just to get there...

 

2. The angle and distance Jones had to throw that ball..it exactly right and hit the receiver in stride.

 

As I said...not every throw will ever perfect or I should say not every int is cause the QB throws a bad ball. The defender made a great play, a game changer...Jones threw a very good ball.

If he throws that ball with less air it doesn’t get picked off. Go back and watch how Josh Allen throws the ball, you will understand better. 

[stosh64]

 

[Ghost_002!]

11 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If he throws that ball with less air it doesn’t get picked off. Go back and watch how Josh Allen throws the ball, you will understand better. 

 

 

If he throws it with less air the corner thst Alghor beats catches up and knocks the ball away. (or picks it off himself)

 

The throw was literally going to hit Alghor in the bread basket..in stride no adjustment by him was ever going to be needed

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Ghost_002!

[Ghost_002!]

 

 

Not a bad throw at all.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Ghost_002!

[Bubba Gump]

Thanks for the post PFNH, but the Pats aren't going anywhere with that Gumby armed QB. No matter who the HC is.

[stosh64]

 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

Didn’t see any shots of the Krafts in their box...I wonder why?

Robert was still holding out hope for that “happy ending.”

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Not a bad throw at all.

 

 

Maybe I am spoiled watching Josh throw the ball so much better. 

[Rick 'r Mortis]

18 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

[stinky finger]

Go to your own board.

 

Fraud

[Rick 'r Mortis]

10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Not a bad throw at all.

 

 

Yep. It's not even a matter of opinion like that atl guy thinks. 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

 

We also had a punt free game against them last time and didn’t punt in the 4th quarter the first time we played them so looks like 9 consecutive punt free quarters against New England if my calculations are correct 

[Ghost_002!]

13 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Maybe I am spoiled watching Josh throw the ball so much better. 

 

 

Not every throw needs to be a zipped fast ball. And I have seen Jones throw some horrible passes before.

 

 

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

 

Yep.

 

After 2 decades of being the butt of their smugness tonight really felt great!

 

We have a winning record against the Patsy's in the playoffs.

 

 

 

I live in Mass. 

 

***** all those aholes!!!

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

What? He said that. Seriously.

 

Apologize for nothing

[atlbillsfan1975]

10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Not every throw needs to be a zipped fast ball. And I have seen Jones throw some horrible passes before.

 

 

You will have the next year or two at least to defend Jones. I look forward to our conversations. 

[BillsfaninSB]

I don’t understand why the Patriots are getting crushed by many.  They made the playoffs with a rookie QB.  I think they overachieved somewhat this year.

 

If I was a Pats fan I would remain optimistic that Jones will improve next year. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, stosh64 said:

 

I wanna know where that .7 deduction came from? FFS, he had more TD passes than incompletions for crissakes. 

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Maybe I am spoiled watching Josh throw the ball so much better. 

We are definitely spoiled. To the point I think we take some of the amazing things Josh does on a game to game basis for granted because he makes it look so damn easy all the time. I mean, it just isn’t. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

8 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Not every throw needs to be a zipped fast ball. And I have seen Jones throw some horrible passes before.

 

 

You are right. That first pass to Knox was a thing of beauty. Jones will never be able to make that pass though because he isn’t athletic enough to move around and elude pass rushers for almost 10 seconds. 

[DJB]

9 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

No new threads during game

 

smdh even Patriot fans can’t follow the rules 

 

Pats also got a comp pick because a thread was started

[atlbillsfan1975]

7 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I don’t understand why the Patriots are getting crushed by many.  They made the playoffs with a rookie QB.  I think they overachieved somewhat this year.

 

If I was a Pats fan I would remain optimistic that Jones will improve next year. 

Here is the thing. Jones already has reading a defense down and the little nuances of the game. Thins most rookies need to work on. Jones’ footwork isn’t the problem, he has the fundamentals down. What he doesn’t have is elite athletic talent, which is what you need to be good to great in the NFL. Jones is Chad Pennington or a less athletic Fitzpatrick. I just don’t see how you improve arm strength at this point. 

[WhoTom]

12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

you want to tell me the Pats D is garbage I won’t argue after tonight.

 

The Pats have a top-five D, so I wouldn't say it's garbage - just that the Bills' O is better.

 

 

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Not every throw needs to be a zipped fast ball. And I have seen Jones throw some horrible passes before.

 

 

Everyone has. Andy Dalton 2.0.   Good luck with macnchz.  
 

Maybe the pats d will force us punt to once the next time we play.  Your boys have something to work towards.  Maybe they can move Jonnu Smith to DE and he can get within a couple inches of 17. 
 

 

[CSBill]

12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Allen was on fire all night! I had a little hope when they were getting pressure on the first drive but then he scrambled for like 60 yards on that drive..  The night was over on the very first drive by NE when Hyde made a highlight reel interception. (I was impressed as a football fan and depressed as a Pats fan by it lol)

 

Bills stomped a mud hole in my Pats and well good luck the rest of the way. 
 

(This was meant as congratulations, I don’t want to talk about Mac Jones.. you want to tell me the Pats D is garbage I won’t argue after tonight.)

 

Class move PatsFanNH. See you in the fall.

[The Wiz]

9 hours ago, K-9 said:

I wanna know where that .7 deduction came from? FFS, he had more TD passes than incompletions for crissakes. 

 

YPA.

 

He was at 12.8 before the TD to Doyle which dropped it to 12.3.

 

The number they use for perfect rating is 12.5.

[Mark92]

What a crazy game 

[NewEra]

12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I will, I don’t think he would have developed with the Patriots like he did with the Bills. That isn’t their style of O.  IMO with the Pats system he been a bust.. 

and there it is.  Bwhahahahahaha.

 

You would rather have MacNchz over Josh Allen because Josh allen wouldn’t have developed under the tutelage of the coach that helped turn a 6th round pick into the GOAT.  They coach that made and nfl GM think that Matt Cassell is worth trading a 2nd rd pick for and a $63m contract.  The coach that helped Jimmy G develop into a quality starter.  
 

but he wouldn’t be able to develop the most physically gifted qb ever…..that’s worked his butt off year after year to become an elite qb.  Mcdermott and Beane put together a great supporting cast…..but they didn’t make him great.  He made himself great.  
 

Please.  

[PatsFanNH]

46 minutes ago, NewEra said:

and there it is.  Bwhahahahahaha.

 

You would rather have MacNchz over Josh Allen because Josh allen wouldn’t have developed under the tutelage of the coach that helped turn a 6th round pick into the GOAT.  They coach that made and nfl GM think that Matt Cassell is worth trading a 2nd rd pick for and a $63m contract.  The coach that helped Jimmy G develop into a quality starter.  
 

but he wouldn’t be able to develop the most physically gifted qb ever…..that’s worked his butt off year after year to become an elite qb.  Mcdermott and Beane put together a great supporting cast…..but they didn’t make him great.  He made himself great.  
 

Please.  

My point being, the Pats even if needy at QB that year wouldn’t have drafted Allen.  They would have looked elsewhere, they damn sure wouldn’t have traded up to get him.   He doesn’t fit the style of O they run. Brady fit that style, as does Jones. Does that mean Jones will ever be as good as Allen? Nope. 
 

also Allen fans forget he didn’t blossom truly till they went out and spent on skill WR for year 2..  look at last year where did the Pats spend most of the money? On  2 TE and 2 middle of the road WR.  That wouldn’t have worked develop an Allen type.. They also beefed up the O line. (That would IMO help but not having WR WOULD KILL HIM in HIS rookie year.) 

 

So basically I’m bashing the GOAT coach and more importantly McDaniels. They wouldn’t have done what was needed to make a QB like Allen succeed. They will get the most out of a Jones style QB. 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

My point being, the Pats even if needy at QB that year wouldn’t have drafted Allen.  They would have looked elsewhere, they damn sure wouldn’t have traded up to get him.   He doesn’t fit the style of O they run. Brady fit that style, as does Jones. Does that mean Jones will ever be as good as Allen? Nope. 
 

also Allen fans forget he didn’t blossom truly till they went out and spent on skill WR for year 2..  look at last year where did the Pats spend most of the money? On  2 TE and 2 middle of the road WR.  That wouldn’t have worked develop an Allen type.. They also beefed up the O line. (That would IMO help but not having WR WOULD KILL HIM in HIS rookie year.) 

 

So basically I’m bashing the GOAT coach and more importantly McDaniels. They wouldn’t have done what was needed to make a QB like Allen succeed. They will get the most out of a Jones style QB. 

the question was:  would you rather have Mac Jones over Josh allen…..

 

You gave an answer to a completely different question in order to avoid going back on your original answer.  You changed the premise of the question.  And it still doesn’t make much sense imo.  
 

Belichick made Cam Newton his starter last season….and he won 3 less games with him (in 16 games) even though he’s a terrible qb and 1/4 of your team opted out for covid.  He did so without the 150M worth of players that you signed this offseason.  The 2020 pats, talent wise, may have been the worst team in the league. Zero playmakers.  No DL or LBers. Yet they were in the playoff conversation until josh destroyed them in foxboro.  
 

You’re just saving face.  I get it.  I’d probably do the same for my qb if I was in your sitch.  
 

That said….while I haven’t been your biggest fan this past year, after enjoying your content in previous years, I respect your football iq and opinion regarding all things non patriots.  Enjoy the rest of the post season, stay safe and in good health.