Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) Bills fans don’t deserve the mediocrity we have endured for decades and even this year. How many times must we sit here after a gut wrenching loss and question if we have the right management. A team just passed the ball 3 times tonight and won with less than 40 yards passing. If that isn’t a wtf moment, nobody will ever care. It’s obvious to anyone our offensive line is beyond abysmal, and our running game just doesn’t have the play making abilities. We have invested an insane amount of draft capital and FA capital on the defense and we couldn’t stop the run that everyone in the stadium knew was coming. We couldn’t score anything in the red zone, we have no physicality. Honestly if Beane and McDermott don’t address 85% or more on offensive this offseason, they need to seriously be fired. You spend millions of dollars on a star QB and yet we can’t score enough points against a team that passed the ball 3 times??!! Allen isn’t the problem, but if we don’t seriously get him the help he deserves, then Bills fans deserve better coaches and management. Edited December 7, 2021 by IronMaidenBills 5 4 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Paragraphs 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Paragraphs I understand the grammar is less than ideal, but if you don’t have anything worth saying, stay out of the topic. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 And yet... ...had Josh Allen hit any of the many wide open receivers when we needed to score most, at the end of the game, we would have won a game that we were never out of. I like our odds against New England in the rematch; this game was massively winnable tonight. We were out-coached badly, Josh had one of his mediocre games b/c of poor line play as much as anything, and our entire approach to offense was not sound. Of course, the defense couldn't stop the run, despite knowing it was coming. Still, had we been able to pass as normal in this game, I think we win by maybe even 2 touchdowns. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, Nextmanup said: And yet... ...had Josh Allen hit any of the many wide open receivers when we needed to score most, at the end of the game, we would have won a game that we were never out of. I like our odds against New England in the rematch; this game was massively winnable tonight. We were out-coached badly, Josh had one of his mediocre games b/c of poor line play as much as anything, and our entire approach to offense was not sound. Of course, the defense couldn't stop the run, despite knowing it was coming. Still, had we been able to pass as normal in this game, I think we win by maybe even 2 touchdowns. It is absolutely mind boggling to me that anyone who watched that game could put an ounce of blame on Allen 6 6 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Process said: It is absolutely mind boggling to me that anyone who watched that game could put an ounce of blame on Allen Allen is the ONLY reason we are even in playoff contention. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Process said: It is absolutely mind boggling to me that anyone who watched that game could put an ounce of blame on Allen He was fantastic, and with zero help, outside of about two plays. They just happened to be a couple critical plays that armchair QB's with perfect hindsight live for. 3 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Simon said: He was fantastic, and with zero help, outside of about two plays. They just happened to be a couple critical plays that armchair QB's with perfect hindsight live for. How many QBs in the league could have done what Josh Allen did tonight? Bill wouldn’t even like Mac throw the ball, that should tell you everything you need to know about how good Allen is. No other QB could have done what Josh did tonight with the line play we have. Edited December 7, 2021 by IronMaidenBills 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: And yet... ...had Josh Allen hit any of the many wide open receivers when we needed to score most, at the end of the game, we would have won a game that we were never out of. I like our odds against New England in the rematch; this game was massively winnable tonight. We were out-coached badly, Josh had one of his mediocre games b/c of poor line play as much as anything, and our entire approach to offense was not sound. Of course, the defense couldn't stop the run, despite knowing it was coming. Still, had we been able to pass as normal in this game, I think we win by maybe even 2 touchdowns. What a strange take. Did you even watch the game? Had Knox & Diggs held onto 3 very catchable balls (and I'm not even talking about the last one by Knox in the end zone) we win this game by two scores. When you're going up against Belichic and NE the margin for error is very small and those three drops killed us. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Allen is their offense… they’ve done very little to help the guy out. Not only have they done very little to help, they have actively caused him to regress. The play calling is so infuriating, I hope Daboll is fired tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: And yet... ...had Josh Allen hit any of the many wide open receivers when we needed to score most, at the end of the game, we would have won a game that we were never out of. I like our odds against New England in the rematch; this game was massively winnable tonight. We were out-coached badly, Josh had one of his mediocre games b/c of poor line play as much as anything, and our entire approach to offense was not sound. Of course, the defense couldn't stop the run, despite knowing it was coming. Still, had we been able to pass as normal in this game, I think we win by maybe even 2 touchdowns. The ESPN Announcers spelled out for you that Allen was scrambling for his life on the few occasions he did not try to throw to open receivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Gene1973 said: If another draft goes by and we still don't have a legit RB1, the Pegulas will have some decisions to make IMO. This is how our draft should go. OG, OG, OT, OG, CB . Unfortunately there aren’t very many good RBs in the draft this year and the FA isn’t great either. Draft a bunch of linemen and lets re-evaluated the running backs with a revamped offensive line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Process said: It is absolutely mind boggling to me that anyone who watched that game could put an ounce of blame on Allen it's brain worms. Sheer brain worms. The dude literally was willing us to win with some of the most insane throws you could possibly make then WHOOPS TIME TO HAND OFF THE BALL TO MOSS FOR NO GAIN AGAIN 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: And yet... ...had Josh Allen hit any of the many wide open receivers when we needed to score most, at the end of the game, we would have won a game that we were never out of. I like our odds against New England in the rematch; this game was massively winnable tonight. We were out-coached badly, Josh had one of his mediocre games b/c of poor line play as much as anything, and our entire approach to offense was not sound. Of course, the defense couldn't stop the run, despite knowing it was coming. Still, had we been able to pass as normal in this game, I think we win by maybe even 2 touchdowns. Going to quote this again to further emphasize how absurd it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Paragraphs I’m a grammar nazi myself, but there are times when you’re just being a d*** 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: it's brain worms. Sheer brain worms. The dude literally was willing us to win with some of the most insane throws you could possibly make then WHOOPS TIME TO HAND OFF THE BALL TO MOSS FOR NO GAIN AGAIN Moss could have bumped that run outside for an easy 4 yards before he would be touched. He ran right into the blocking. He is slow and lacks vision. Same with Singletary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLawless Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, Simon said: He was fantastic, and with zero help, outside of about two plays. They just happened to be a couple critical plays that armchair QB's with perfect hindsight live for. This^ Times a billion 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Bob in STL said: Moss could have bumped that run outside for an easy 4 yards before he would be touched. He ran right into the blocking. He is slow and lacks vision. Same with Singletary. Singletary at least rips off a 20-yard run at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: I’m a grammar nazi myself, but there are times when you’re just being a d*** How hard is it to post paragraphs instead of a wall of text ? The OP has been edited to at least two now… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Singletary at least rips off a 20-yard run at times. He is not good. The OL does not run block well but the backs lack NFL speed and quickness. Edited December 7, 2021 by Bob in STL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLawless Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, Bob in STL said: Moss could have bumped that run outside for an easy 4 yards before he would be touched. He ran right into the blocking. He is slow and lacks vision. Same with Singletary. I agree about Moss, but I think every Bills fan in the world would be surprised how much better our backs would look with a competent line. Our run blocking, be it talent or scheme, is really really bad. Two years in a row now. They are built for pass protection, which is understandable, yet not since we play our home games in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Look what Kelly had on his team? Now match that up to what Allen has to work with. It’s not even close. Allen is going to win us a bunch of Super Bowls when he gets the supporting cast he deserves. Honestly, if you put Allen on a team like the Colts, they are instantly Super Bowl favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: This is how our draft should go. OG, OG, OT, OG, CB . Unfortunately there aren’t very many good RBs in the draft this year and the FA isn’t great either. Draft a bunch of linemen and lets re-evaluated the running backs with a revamped offensive line. Where's the center? I'd draft a starting LT, preferably Trevor Penning, and move Dawkins inside. Waiting for the Breece Hall announcement Edited December 7, 2021 by Solomon Grundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: Where's the center? I'd draft a starting LT and move Dawkins inside. Waiting for the Breece Hall announcement Sorry, I just said OG as simplicity. One of those OG picks would be for C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Paragraphs Anal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharky7337 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: it's brain worms. Sheer brain worms. The dude literally was willing us to win with some of the most insane throws you could possibly make then WHOOPS TIME TO HAND OFF THE BALL TO MOSS FOR NO GAIN AGAIN They needed to run the ball. My issue is that they failed to build and coach a team to be able to do it successfully when they have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Singletary at least rips off a 20-yard run at times. Yay, one 20 yard run followed by 7-8 2 yard runs. I'm done with all 3 of these worthless RB's. We need a complete OL/RB firesale. 4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: No thanks Sorry, I need you to break that down into 2 paragraphs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yay, one 20 yard run followed by 7-8 2 yard runs. I'm done with all 3 of these worthless RB's. We need a complete OL/RB firesale. Unfortunately the draft doesn’t have very many speedy backs this year. We should just focus on a total OL rebuild. Draft 5 offensive linemen if we need to. Draft another OT and kick Dawkins inside, whatever anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Sorry, I need you to break that down into 2 paragraphs. If thats part of your usual foreplay then all good but I’m not changing my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 This game went almost exactly as many Bills fans expected. The weather was a huge factor (and could have been worse if the forecasted snow had appeared), and it disrupted the passing game more than it did the running game. And it's no surprise that the Bills aren't built to run well, and big powerful O lines give the Bills a tough time. All that said, we were very close to winning. Two fourth quarter red zone trips, and no points. Bass just barely missed his FG attempt and of course if he'd made it the Bills would have been going for another FG instead of needing a TD to win. This is a tough loss but we were one play from celebrating. The Bills still have a very strong team and just like almost all teams they have a couple of weaknesses. They're still definitely in the playoff hunt and will do well in domed stadiums and warm-weather locations. The dream of a SB trip this year is NOT dead. 3 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Unfortunately the draft doesn’t have very many speedy backs this year. We should just focus on a total OL rebuild. Draft 5 offensive linemen if we need to. Draft another OT and kick Dawkins inside, whatever anything. The Bills definitely need a strong, brawling, tough OG. Which is exactly what they thought they were getting when they moved up in the draft to grab Cody Ford in the second round. Every team misses on high picks occasionally. This year it looks like they found a good RT in the draft so maybe they're getting the hang of evaluating O line players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Moss could have bumped that run outside for an easy 4 yards before he would be touched. He ran right into the blocking. He is slow and lacks vision. Same with Singletary. That is what I saw too. They had four plays to get a first down or score a TD. Had Moss gotten 4 or 5 yards on first they have three more downs to run any plays they want. Of all the run plays called I was fine with that call. Especially as Josh had been beating them they might have been caught not playing the run. A better RB makes a good gain there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Anal only on thursdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Paragraphs Stream of consciousness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: If thats part of your usual foreplay then all good but I’m not changing my mind you missed an apostrophe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Hulka Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 We need Cookie Gilchrist on this team..."which one of you mother***kers is next?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Beane is a fraud. I’m glad people are finally seeing it. I don’t trust him to make good offensive picks in the next draft. He needs to be gone before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Nextmanup said: And yet... ...had Josh Allen hit any of the many wide open receivers when we needed to score most, at the end of the game, we would have won a game that we were never out of. I like our odds against New England in the rematch; this game was massively winnable tonight. We were out-coached badly, Josh had one of his mediocre games b/c of poor line play as much as anything, and our entire approach to offense was not sound. Of course, the defense couldn't stop the run, despite knowing it was coming. Still, had we been able to pass as normal in this game, I think we win by maybe even 2 touchdowns. You’re not lying. A 50 yard pass hit Diggs in the arms while in the end zone…..but he didn’t see the pass. A catch changes the game. 2 huge drops by Knox plus his inability to box the safety on the 3rd down at the end. If the refs had spotted Macs qb sneak correctly from the start, we wouldn’t have needed irrefutable evidence to overturn…..it was pretty clear to me, that the ball never reached the marker. 3 points for the pats. Tyler bass had the shortest missed fg of his career. the pats had 1 long run- and averaged 3.5 ypc on 45 rushes for 158 yards minus that run. they had 11 first downs the entire game. breida decided to drop a handoff in scoring position and give away the ball. we outplayed them imo…..imo. We just made a few CRUCIAL mistakes. Not to mention that we played the game in the center of a tornado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saundena Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Gene1973 said: If another draft goes by and we still don't have a legit RB1, the Pegulas will have some decisions to make IMO. I'd rather they focus on o line / guard thana RB. Unless we're talking Derek Henry or Jonathan Taylor, RBs are a dime a dozen. I think our backs would significantly better with a decent o line (and scheme). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saundena Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: 2 huge drops by Knox plus his inability to box the safety on the 3rd down at the end. Plus his really awfully timed false start on our final series making it 3rd-14 instead of 3rd-9 Edited December 7, 2021 by saundena 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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