It’s Daboll, please fire him

[LyndonvilleBill]

I am not a big Daboll fan. He seems to have no concept or any plan for a running game, but even I don't think this is all on him. I do however blame the OL coach. I hinted to it the other day, 3 different players at guard, none better than the next?? I don't think Daboll and Johnson are on the same page. I think he needs to go. 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Governor said:

Everyone always wants to blame the coordinator and it’s never the coordinator.

 

We needed one touchdown today. ONE. We have Josh Allen, an elite #1 WR, a very good slot WR, a solid #2 WR, a decent gadget player in McKenzie. It is inexcusable that that collection of players could not manufacture one touchdown, even with the o-line playing as poorly as it did.

[Meatloaf63]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well if Josh made the right read on that play he wouldn't fumble. 

 

Look Daboll deserves some of the hate he is getting today. Don't think he did a good job, but it isn't all on him. The OLine is by far the biggest problem and in a tight ball game you cannot have the three turnovers we had. 

 

By all means criticise Daboll, he deserves some blame. But it isn't all on playcalling. If only it were that simple.

Josh seems to keep the ball on that play. 90% of the time, it’s up to Daboll to either stop calling it or beat it in to josh to make better decisions…

[SectionC3]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I think they need to find more ways to get Diggs the ball. They have to force it to him some because he will change the way teams defend. At the moment teams are willing to let the Bills have Beasley and the running backs. They are setting up not to let Stef beat them. If we can start getting it to Stef despite that it will change the plans. I don't mean forcing balls I mean forcing it in terms of game plan and especially script - first 15 etc. 

 

We are missing Knox as strange as that sounds given what people thought about him coming into the year.

I think josh made the diggs decision late in the fourth quarter.  And I agree with it.  It’s time to start dictating in that respect.  
 

and it’s time to figure out something at guard. If that means Bates goes at RT next week if Brown is still out, so be it.  There’s no place for josh to step up, and it’s a huge issue. 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

We needed one touchdown today. ONE. We have Josh Allen, an elite #1 WR, a very good slot WR, a solid #2 WR, a decent gadget player in McKenzie. It is inexcusable that that collection of players could not manufacture one touchdown, even with the o-line playing as poorly as it did.

LOL give Daboll credit.

[Royale with Cheese]

Yeah I’m sure that’ll go over well with the locker room.  #1 scoring offense fires its OC?😂

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

LOL give Daboll credit.

 

I could point out several plays where Allen made something out of nothing. Where he manufactured production with pure ability. Did you see any exemplary play designs from Daboll today?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

50 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We were winning in spite of Daboll. Why do you think Allen wanted more control over play calling? I’m so tired of the designed play run calls and then get mad when Allen fumbles. 

 

When did he say that ?

 

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Buffalo Barbarian

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I could point out several plays where Allen made something out of nothing. Where he manufactured production with pure ability. Did you see any exemplary play designs from Daboll today?

Point to a specific playcall that lost us the game!

[muppy]

doom and gloom thread yeah vent it all out and if daboll need fired lets make that decision at the end of the season..why I am attempting to write reasonable takes after todays game is an exercise in futiity I swear.

 

sober up and then lets talk....Im just being real..things are not lookin great after today but the fanbase in here is hot take after hot take WTF

 

*you know who you are

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

We needed one touchdown today. ONE. We have Josh Allen, an elite #1 WR, a very good slot WR, a solid #2 WR, a decent gadget player in McKenzie. It is inexcusable that that collection of players could not manufacture one touchdown, even with the o-line playing as poorly as it did.

This is 100% where I’m currently at. We either have a lack of elite talent issue or we have a coordinator issue. Or we just wasted millions of dollars on a QB that can’t utilize talent that others in the league are doing with less. I don’t think its a Josh Allen problem. There is a reason why Josh wanted to call his own plays. 

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Point to a specific playcall that lost us the game!

 

I can point to several.

 

In our first trip to the red zone he called a Moss run followed by a swing pass to Beasley. This set up 3rd and goal from more than 5 yards out and we failed to convert. That's what happens when play calling leaves no margin for error. Two plays in a row that our offense has not executed well all year long.

 

On a crucial 3rd and 2 late in the game he calls a zone read even though Allen has never been good at zone read plays. Allen was stopped short of the line of scrimmage and ended up fumbling the ball. This would be like calling a QB sweep with Tom Brady on 3rd and 2 where he fails to cut through an open hole. You could say "Brady should have cut through that open hole" but being realistic you shouldn't have called that play in the first place because Tom Brady does not run QB sweeps. An OC needs to understand his personnel. Running a short yardage run play with an o-line bad at short yardage run plays, and specifically a zone read with a QB bad at zone reads, is the opposite of that. He has done this several times over the past couple years and every time he does it is dumber than the last.

[Milanos Milano]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Point to a specific playcall that lost us the game!

We run zero slants! We have no ability to get our WRs in space. I’ve lost track of the number of slants I’ve watched Rodgers make over the last few years. 

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, kkim0904 said:

RUN THE BALL AND CHNAGE THE FORMATION. 1st Q, 1st and goal on 3 yard line.  We Should select I formation and power run.  But Our first play, shotgun formation and delayed running play and lost 3 yard. That was a terrible call by Daball.

Yes,  because he knows our crap OL couldn't power run on an arena league team. If this team needs a yard they have to pass or have Josh lug it when he's flushed out of the pocket.

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We run zero slants! We have no ability to get our WRs in space. I’ve lost track of the number of slants I’ve watched Rodgers make over the last few years. 

I’m sure the All 22 will show that the Bills did 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I can point to several.

 

In our first trip to the red zone he called a Moss run followed by a swing pass to Beasley. This set up 3rd and goal from more than 5 yards out and we failed to convert. That's what happens when play calling leaves no margin for error. Two plays in a row that our offense has not executed well all year long.

 

On a crucial 3rd and 2 late in the game he calls a zone read even though Allen has never been good at zone read plays. Allen was stopped short of the line of scrimmage and ended up fumbling the ball. This would be like calling a QB sweep with Tom Brady on 3rd and 2 where he fails to cut through an open hole. You could say "Brady should have cut through that open hole" but being realistic you shouldn't have called that play in the first place because Tom Brady does not run QB sweeps. An OC needs to understand his personnel. Running a short yardage run play with an o-line bad at short yardage run plays, and specifically a zone read with a QB bad at zone reads, is the opposite of that. He has done this several times over the past couple years and every time he does it is dumber than the last.

Moss failed to execute. Beasley failed to execute. Josh made a bad read, failed to execute and fumbled.

[Milanos Milano]

25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yeah I’m sure that’ll go over well with the locker room.  #1 scoring offense fires its OC?😂

We are the #1 scoring offense in spite of Daboll. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Agreed. I wouldn’t be sad if he left. 

I appreciate Daboll's development of Josh but let's not kid ourselves,  he's weak.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

At some point, McDermott has to start feeling the pressure for these inexcusable losses. How much more talent does he need to win it all? We have Allen, Diggs, Sanders, Beasley, and Davis. What do you need to do? Get another #1 receiver? Obviously we need better lineman, but there is no reason to be losing to teams like the Jags. 

 

So Sister Mary Catherine should smack McDermott's knuckles in front of the whole class this week, huh?

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

I’m sure the All 22 will show that the Bills did 

So we are paying Allen millions of dollars to poop the bed? Blame has to go somewhere. Our Oline is bad, but it’s not scoring a touchdown against the Jags bad. 

[HappyDays]

Just now, FireChans said:

Moss failed to execute. Beasley failed to execute. Josh made a bad read, failed to execute and fumbled.

 

Okay but every time we run those plays we fail to execute. Eventually you have to stop calling them in critical moments. We all know Allen has an issue choosing what to do with the ball on read option plays, and he is more likely to fumble on those plays. So why does Daboll call that play on the most critical 3rd down of the game?

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

We are the #1 scoring offense in spite of Daboll. 

Yeah I’m sure the game plans are made by someone else.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

So Sister Mary Catherine should smack McDermott's knuckles in front of the whole class this week, huh?

This whole fan base is the definition of Stockholm syndrome. Everything is always fine, no one is to blame and life goes on. 

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yeah I’m sure the game plans are made by someone else.

So what are you going to say when we fail to make the super bowl, let alone win one? Always next year? Lol 

Edited November 8, 2021 by IronMaidenBills

[Motorin']

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

This whole fan base is the definition of Stockholm syndrome. Everything is always fine, no one is to blame and live goes on. 

 

I'm about to cook dinner with the Misses. I havn't been kidnapped and I don't feel the need to kick our dog.

 

But if you must, have at it.  

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Okay but every time we run those plays we fail to execute. Eventually you have to stop calling them in critical moments. We all know Allen has an issue choosing what to do with the ball on read option plays, and he is more likely to fumble on those plays. So why does Daboll call that play on the most critical 3rd down of the game?

Every time we run we fail to execute? What?

 

You’re hysterical tbh. #2 offense in points last year and before today #1 in points and you want to fire the OC. You are literally a “cut Josh!” guy.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 So what are you going to say when we fail to make the super bowl, let alone win one? Always next year? Lol 

Is this really your response when I say Daboll creates the game plans?

This is what you came up with?

[buffalo2218]

Not sure I'd go as far as laying the blame at Daboll's feet, some of the issues are him. But perhaps his expectations of the O line aren't being met. I would start questioning this team's O line coach before Daboll. 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

This whole coaching staff is overrated but nobody is getting fired although I suggested we release a bum like Cody Ford immediately to send a message.

 

And I still don't understand why Frazier (and McD) insist on sitting in soft zone especially against a rookie QB and they should have been blitzing on pretty much every down. Be just a little aggressive and the defense probably wins the game today.

 

They scored 9 points.  It was the Jags lowest score of the season.  Defense was not in this universe of problems.  They did their job.

 

O line

Daboll

 

There's the two problems with the team.  Same problem since the playoffs.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

Is this really your response when I say Daboll creates the game plans?

This is what you came up with?

Yes, because I’m tired of losing. I’m tired of having EMBARRASSING games, and I’m tired of being a laughingstock that has an organization that has never won a super bowl. We draft year in and year out, sign FA linemen, draft more, play phone tag with other GMs, take naps, have players quit at halftime, play more phone tag with other GMs, sign players to over priced contracts for little production, bring in talent but underperform, raid other dumpsters for SuPeRbOwLs! When does it end? When will we finally win a Super Bowl? 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

#2 offense in points last year and before today #1 in points and you want to fire the OC. 

 

I actually don't want to fire Daboll. I just want him to do a better job understanding his personnel and overcoming some of the basic things defenses are doing to slow us down. And if he happens to get hired away in the offseason I won't be a tiny bit worried.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I think they need to find more ways to get Diggs the ball. They have to force it to him some because he will change the way teams defend. At the moment teams are willing to let the Bills have Beasley and the running backs. They are setting up not to let Stef beat them. If we can start getting it to Stef despite that it will change the plans. I don't mean forcing balls I mean forcing it in terms of game plan and especially script - first 15 etc. 

 

We are missing Knox as strange as that sounds given what people thought about him coming into the year.

 

Yes.  Enough of take what the defense gives.  There is a time for that but not the entire game.  Yes on Knox this offense is missing him a lot.  You can tell.

[Mr. WEO]

39 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yeah I’m sure that’ll go over well with the locker room.  #1 scoring offense fires its OC?😂

 

 

"paper tigers"

 

[Billever76]

35 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Point to a specific playcall that lost us the game!

The shotgun draw in goal to go that resulted in a 3 yard loss was a killer.....the dumb passes behind the los when Jacksonville is squatting on short stuff....daboll cannot scheme a running game for nothing....how many times are we gonna run draws up the gut in shotgun?

Just now, Billever76 said:

The shotgun draw in goal to go that resulted in a 3 yard loss was a killer.....the dumb passes behind the los when Jacksonville is squatting on short stuff....daboll cannot scheme a running game for nothing....how many times are we gonna run draws up the gut in shotgun?

Its not 1 play..its 10 plays of the same caliber being ran over and over regardless if they are failing..its no adjustments

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

At least we all know to bring the expectations down to possible playoff team and no SB. There is no way in hell that this team is going to the SB this year. We need to rebuild the whole O-Line and RB situation. These are not small fixes and will prevent us for making out of the 1st rd of the playoffs

 

[JohnNord]

19 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

So we are paying Allen millions of dollars to poop the bed? Blame has to go somewhere. Our Oline is bad, but it’s not scoring a touchdown against the Jags bad. 

No it was “not scoring a touchdown against the Jags” bad.  This was probably the worst performance ever by a Bills offense in years.  You have to consider that Jacksonville ranked toward the bottom in every defensive category, yet our line couldn’t do crap. 
 

The problems in this game begin and end with the OL.  They couldn’t pass block or run block.  Try scheming your way around that.  

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Okay but every time we run those plays we fail to execute. Eventually you have to stop calling them in critical moments. We all know Allen has an issue choosing what to do with the ball on read option plays, and he is more likely to fumble on those plays. So why does Daboll call that play on the most critical 3rd down of the game?

Because just about every call that he made was blown up by the OL.  Funny how people blame Daboll for a terrible performance by the line 

13 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Yes, because I’m tired of losing. I’m tired of having EMBARRASSING games, and I’m tired of being a laughingstock that has an organization that has never won a super bowl. We draft year in and year out, sign FA linemen, draft more, play phone tag with other GMs, take naps, have players quit at halftime, play more phone tag with other GMs, sign players to over priced contracts for little production, bring in talent but underperform, raid other dumpsters for SuPeRbOwLs! When does it end? When will we finally win a Super Bowl? 

I never block anyone here…. so this is a first 

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Yes, because I’m tired of losing. I’m tired of having EMBARRASSING games, and I’m tired of being a laughingstock that has an organization that has never won a super bowl. We draft year in and year out, sign FA linemen, draft more, play phone tag with other GMs, take naps, have players quit at halftime, play more phone tag with other GMs, sign players to over priced contracts for little production, bring in talent but underperform, raid other dumpsters for SuPeRbOwLs! When does it end? When will we finally win a Super Bowl? 

Okay so you’re just dramatic.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Bottom line we don’t have the O-Line or the RB’s to win a SB. We are a soft team and I don’t see it happening this year. 

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

No it was “not scoring a touchdown against the Jags” bad.  This was probably the worst performance ever by a Bills offense in years.  You have to consider that Jacksonville ranked toward the bottom in every defensive category, yet our line couldn’t do crap. 
 

The problems in this game begin and end with the OL.  They couldn’t pass block or run block.  Try scheming your way around that.  

Because just about every call that he made was blown up by the OL.  Funny how people blame Daboll for a terrible performance by the line 

Then this is Beane’s fault. He hasn’t done enough to give Allen the tools he needs to succeed. He brought in FA linemen and drafted Ford. Brown looks promising but that isn’t enough. He better draft 3 or more lineman this upcoming draft or he can start looking for a job. 

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Okay so you’re just dramatic.

I’m a Bills fan tired of mediocrity. 

[BBills88]

Dabol need time off to deal with the loss of his family members. Let Ken Dorsey get a shot for a few games.

 His play calling has been off since the loss of his grandparents.

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by BBills88

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

The shotgun draw in goal to go that resulted in a 3 yard loss was a killer.....the dumb passes behind the los when Jacksonville is squatting on short stuff....daboll cannot scheme a running game for nothing....how many times are we gonna run draws up the gut in shotgun?

Its not 1 play..its 10 plays of the same caliber being ran over and over regardless if they are failing..its no adjustments

Jesus Christ man. so they are squatting on the short stuff, squatting on the run game, not letting us throw deep?

 

MAYBE, just MAYBE, the Bills played like ass instead.