Alec Baldwin accidentally kills movie crew member (real bullet accidentally put in prop gun)

[Rico]

28 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

Well that’s quite a sensationalized mischaracterization. Nobody was spraying bullets around the set.

 

”Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a scene in which he draws a gun and points it at the camera when the gun — which the crew had been told did not contain live rounds — suddenly went off and killed the cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, according to an affidavit.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/24/arts/baldwin-shooting-details.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
 

Meanwhile, Donald Trump Jr. is selling “guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people” shirts for $27.99.

The greatest trolls ever. 

[muppy]

I am curious as to who will be charged in this situation and for what breaches of protocol allowing such a horrrific act to occur.

 

If I was an A list actor and someone handed me a "cold" gun, you would expect it to be unloaded. The fact it had live rounds it a snafu BIGTIME but I almost blame the dude handing off the gun more than the guy on a movie set just sayin'

 

as far as trolling him forever dang folks thats Cold right there..if this specific instance was a Mistake, a bad one oh yes, but a mistake of thoughtlessness or even neglect...would I want that sin lorded over me forevermore?

 

Wouldnt that depend on the outcome of the case and ultimately what the true facts are..and will the truth be told/found

 

*grab yer popcorn* seems like a thoughtless analogy but what I mean is this story needs a lot more facts before we should all be casting judgment in one guy ..It reads to me like a horrible accident with no pre thought of injury whatsoever

 

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Edited October 25, 2021 by Muppy

[ExiledInIllinois]

11 minutes ago, Muppy said:

I am curious as to who will be charged in this situation and for what breaches of protocol allowing such a horrrific act to occur.

 

If I was an A list actor and someone handed me a "cold" gun, you would expect it to be unloaded. The fact it had live rounds it a snafu BIGTIME but I almost blame the dude handing off the gun more than the guy on a movie set just sayin'

 

as far as trolling him forever dang folks thats Cold right there..if this specific instance was a Mistake, a bad one oh yes, but a mistake of thoughtlessness or even neglect...would I want that sin lorded over me forevermore?

 

Wouldnt that depend on the outcome of the case and ultimately what the true facts are..and will the truth be told/found

 

*grab yer popcorn* seems like a thoughtless analogy but what I mean is this story needs a lot more facts before we should all be casting judgment in one guy ..It reads to me like a horrible accident with no pre thought of injury whatsoever

 

m

Nobody criminally.  Is it regulated by law?  It was an accident. 

 

Now, maybe civil... Who didn't follow policy? 

 

But... I generally agree with your post. I GUESS we can use the Brandon Lee case as an example.   How did that go?

 

I noted it was a Hulu production.  Things aren't a closed shop in Hollywood anymore. Just like out on Main Street, USA... You think you're non-Union shop can protect it's workers better? 😆 Yeah, right... 

Edited October 25, 2021 by ExiledInIllinois

[Irv]

Why would Baldwin fire an armorer with twenty-five years in the movie industry, a week before this, and replace them with someone with less than two months  experience?  No wonder this happened.   You just don't run around set randomly shooting people.  Hot or cold.  An adult needs to be in charge.  Guns are not toys.  You just don't take pot shots at people for your amusement.  

[Chef Jim]

6 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yup! Job is to act.  If it means pointing a gun during a scene... I trust the team not to steer me wrong.   Not my job to check them.

 

 

And this the whole problem with your argument.  Because he relied on someone else he is now involved in a homicide investigation.  How did that trust do him?  

 

Do you check your fuel before you drive or do you rely on your kid or spouse with the "awwww I left you plenty of fuel."

 

Now there will be no weapons in movies or TV.  They will all point fingers and say "pew pew pwe!!"  

 

 

3 hours ago, Rockpile233 said:

This may be a very ignorant statement, but serious question.

 

Why even have live rounds on site? Period. Sorry, not blaming any actor for this tragic accident. It should be the role of the safety professional to properly educate the people using the prop guns. I’m honestly blown away by the complete breakdown of safety processes in this story. 

 

It's not ignorant it's by FAR the number one question.  WHY were there live rounds anywhere on that set let alone within 10 feet of a weapon let alone chambered??

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

And this the whole problem with your argument.  Because he relied on someone else he is now involved in a homicide investigation.  How did that trust do him?  

 

Do you check your fuel before you drive or do you rely on your kid or spouse with the "awwww I left you plenty of fuel."

 

Now there will be no weapons in movies or TV.  They will all point fingers and say "pew pew pwe!!"  

 

 

 

It's not ignorant it's by FAR the number one question.  WHY were there live rounds anywhere on that set let alone within 10 feet of a weapon let alone chambered??

 

Laziness.  And that should be civilly settled because nobody, including the deceased is not without blame. 

 

 

Oh... Just for the sake of old times, water and oil argument. You and me.😉 

We have a ⚠️ warning, low fuel light... AND my wife has me to fuel it up and back it into the garage every night. 😉  My daughter lives in New Jersey... She ain't allowed to pump her own fuel by law, does she check to make sure the gas cap is on? ***** no!

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Muppy said:

I am curious as to who will be charged in this situation and for what breaches of protocol allowing such a horrrific act to occur.

 

If I was an A list actor and someone handed me a "cold" gun, you would expect it to be unloaded. The fact it had live rounds it a snafu BIGTIME but I almost blame the dude handing off the gun more than the guy on a movie set just sayin'

 

as far as trolling him forever dang folks thats Cold right there..if this specific instance was a Mistake, a bad one oh yes, but a mistake of thoughtlessness or even neglect...would I want that sin lorded over me forevermore?

 

Wouldnt that depend on the outcome of the case and ultimately what the true facts are..and will the truth be told/found

 

*grab yer popcorn* seems like a thoughtless analogy but what I mean is this story needs a lot more facts before we should all be casting judgment in one guy ..It reads to me like a horrible accident with no pre thought of injury whatsoever

 

m

Sometimes H. Muppman you reap what you sow.  
 

Life can be cold, but it’s asking an awful lot of people to disregard prior comments and take the high road under the “Sure, he was a d bag to you but NOW we should all take the high road.”. 
 

Plus, these people seem to exist on a level most regular folks do not.  Maybe it’s the 💰. 
 

 

[LeGOATski]

I hate to mention them, but watching the

Pats/Jets replay, I'm reminded that the Pats fire blanks during every home game and have never killed someone in the crowd.....

[Another Fan]

This isn’t a movie I’d be interested in watching or most movies these days.

 

But I mean why even use real guns in film?  I’m sure sound you can add post production and with CGI and whatnot it can look real.

 

Are folks that big a movie fan or whatever they’d notice? 

 

 

[Golden*Wheels]

25 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

This isn’t a movie I’d be interested in watching or most movies these days.

 

But I mean why even use real guns in film?  I’m sure sound you can add post production and with CGI and whatnot it can look real.

 

Are folks that big a movie fan or whatever they’d notice? 

 

 

I mean that may be what they end up doing,with good reason....but....post production gunshots look like crap and definitely stand out. That's not a big deal at the ned of the day but....they do look super fake. Lack of recoil, too bright a flash, etc. If you're looking, they're easy to spot.

[muppy]

17 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Sometimes H. Muppman you reap what you sow.  
 

Life can be cold, but it’s asking an awful lot of people to disregard prior comments and take the high road under the “Sure, he was a d bag to you but NOW we should all take the high road.”. 
 

Plus, these people seem to exist on a level most regular folks do not.  Maybe it’s the 💰. 
 

 

Fame, Money, all factors...knowing how many kids he has freakin fatigue fcol...yeah leo ya know Im not defending said dude or even looking at previous conduct by the guy...I see his face on magazines always something about having more kids....I believe in the golden rule matey so I wrote what I did before because I wouldnt want people to judge me after 1 bad mistake forevermore. But then Ya know Im Miss Hypocrite because to this day I cant stand michael vick due to his animal cruelty..Im supposed to forgive and yeah he paid a prison debt to society as well as huge financial losses...but my gut still thinks evil rat baastid when I hear his name.

 

So Im just trying to be real ...anyway film at 11 we'll see how this all ends up.

 

Peace my friend leonardo da wordsmith-o

 

hahahaaa  

Edited October 26, 2021 by Muppy

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Laziness.  And that should be civilly settled because nobody, including the deceased is not without blame. 

 

 

 

 

 

Please explain the deceased's culpability in this.  

[Irv]

59 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Please explain the deceased's culpability in this.  

 

If I were the cinematographer, I would not let a hot head like Baldwin, well known for extreme acts of violence, aim a gun at me under any circumstances.  She should have checked the gun herself and put up bullet proof glass or used a remote control camera.  No telling when this maniac could snap.  She found out the hard way when he lost it and started savagely shooting up the set.   You can't trust people like Baldwin with anything.  Amazing more people weren't killed or maimed.  

 

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by Irv

[Bad Things]

Holy cow.  Some of you guys have really gone off the deep end.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Bad Things said:

Holy cow.  Some of you guys have really gone off the deep end.

 

You mean Irv.  Just wait until he starts with.

 

Maniacal movie man maliciously murders maven........film at 11! 

[Beast]

Maybe Hollywood should have classes on how to handle guns...real or "fake".

19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You mean Irv.  Just wait until he starts with.

 

Maniacal movie man maliciously murders maven........film at 11! 

 

Pistol packing punk, Alec Baldwin, kills woman in cold blood.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

33 minutes ago, Muppy said:

Fame, Money, all factors...knowing how many kids he has freakin fatigue fcol...yeah leo ya know Im not defending said dude or even looking at previous conduct by the guy...I see his face on magazines always something about having more kids....I believe in the golden rule matey so I wrote what I did before because I wouldnt want people to judge me after 1 bad mistake forevermore. But then Ya know Im Miss Hypocrite because to this day I cant stand michael vick due to his animal cruelty..Im supposed to forgive and yeah he paid a prison debt to society as well as huge financial losses...but my gut still thinks evil rat baastid when I hear his name.

 

So Im just trying to be real and live my faith in action as imperfectly as I do....

 

Peace my friend leonardo da vinci-o the wordsmith-o

 

hahahaaaaa

 

m  

I figure he has issues, this guy.  Beating up people, losing his marbles, and being married to the crazy hot cat lady who inconsistently affects a Spanich accent and thinks Boston is in Barcelona, he's got it pretty rough.  He may just cop to the whole deal to spend some time in the big house for the p & q.   

 

 

 

 

[Irv]

You guys are right.  If I was on set with that guy, I would have demanded body armour and my own pistol to shoot back, if Baldwin lost it.  The guy is a Manslaughter Murdering Maniac with Major Mental Maladies.  He had problems up there in Middletown.  My oh my.      

 

 

 

    

Edited October 25, 2021 by Irv

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Please explain the deceased's culpability in this.  

She was part of the management team.  ***** rolls downhill.

Edited October 26, 2021 by ExiledInIllinois

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

She was part of the management team.  ***** rolls up hill.

She was the cinematographer, if I'm not mistaken. That role has nothing to do with weapons or the overall production management. It's just scene set-up and camera angles.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 10/22/2021 at 4:50 PM, Doc said:

Hard to believe it was accidental.

 

😄 😆 😆 😆 

 

Thanks Columbo 

 

yep

 

he planned on hitting 2 people with one  bullet 

[Irv]

48 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

😄 😆 😆 😆 

 

Thanks Columbo 

 

yep

 

he planned on hitting 2 people with one  bullet 

 

It's being reported that he stroked out over cost overuns he had as producer, and fired most of the safety and security staff in cost cutting measures.  Sad.  Totally avoidable death on Baldwins shoulders.    

[ExiledInIllinois]

56 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

She was the cinematographer, if I'm not mistaken. That role has nothing to do with weapons or the overall production management. It's just scene set-up and camera angles.

The cinematographer sure ain't the key grip. She's up there. The whole production rotted from the head down 

[Irv]

There are also a lot of questions on the internet about Baldwin's motives.  Did he replace ammo in the the "cold" gun with live +P rounds?   Possibly.  Let's all be honest here.  Accident?  

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by Irv

[Jauronimo]

4 hours ago, Irv said:

There are also a lot of questions on the internet about Baldwin's motives.  Did he replace ammo in the the "cold" gun with live +P rounds?   Possibly.  Let's all be honest here.  Accident?  

 

 

 

Yes.  I can't help but think this is somehow related to Epstein.

[ALF]

'Rust' crew members reportedly used guns with live ammunition hours before deadly shooting on set

 

"There's this pastime that crew members sometimes do, it's called 'plinking,' and they go out into the rural areas and they shoot at beer cans. This is with live ammunition. We learned that this happened the morning of the day that Halyna Hutchins was killed," Waxman said.

 

One of the guns used was later handed to actor Alec Baldwin, who fired the shot that killed Hutchins, 42, and injured director Joel Souza, The Wrap reported.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-tuesday/index.html

[Bill from NYC]

15 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I hate to mention them, but watching the

Pats/Jets replay, I'm reminded that the Pats fire blanks during every home game and have never killed someone in the crowd.....

Question: Why is Alec Baldwin thinking of becoming a photographer?

 

Answer: Because he is very good at camera shoots.

[Irv]

What I don't understand is why he was wildly firing two semi-automatic pistols at people on the set, when they weren't invented until much later than the timeframe of the movie.  This doesn't add up.  

[Gugny]

10 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

The cinematographer sure ain't the key grip. She's up there. The whole production rotted from the head down 

 

Your deep-rooted hatred for management has driven you insane.  Blaming the deceased just because your mind somehow twisted this into one of your, "all management deserves to die," drum bangings is borderline psychotic.

[muppy]

14 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I figure he has issues, this guy.  Beating up people, losing his marbles, and being married to the crazy hot cat lady who inconsistently affects a Spanich accent and thinks Boston is in Barcelona, he's got it pretty rough.  He may just cop to the whole deal to spend some time in the big house for the p & q.   

 

 

 

 

well all I can say is he will present his case (if charged) either civilly or criminally. Either way huge trauma and not only financial but emotional to he and his but the victims family and friends...how horrible, tragic, UNNECESSARY.

 

piffle hate this story peace OUT

 

SMH sad sad sad

 

hasta lasagna leo 🙂

 

m

 

 

 

 

[Pete]

The Assistant Director that handed Baldwin the gun and yelled "cold",  and the inexperience armorer should be charged, not Baldwin IMO

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Your deep-rooted hatred for management has driven you insane.  Blaming the deceased just because your mind somehow twisted this into one of your, "all management deserves to die," drum bangings is borderline psychotic.

Well... You're 180° the other way.  I guess we cancel out. 😏...

 

[Rockpile233]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

'Rust' crew members reportedly used guns with live ammunition hours before deadly shooting on set

 

"There's this pastime that crew members sometimes do, it's called 'plinking,' and they go out into the rural areas and they shoot at beer cans. This is with live ammunition. We learned that this happened the morning of the day that Halyna Hutchins was killed," Waxman said.

 

One of the guns used was later handed to actor Alec Baldwin, who fired the shot that killed Hutchins, 42, and injured director Joel Souza, The Wrap reported.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-tuesday/index.html

Jeez. I saw another article how they have found ammunition loose around set. Some in unmarked boxes or loose in a fanny pack. Complete disregard for safety. Pathetic that  this was going on.

[Irv]

1 hour ago, Muppy said:

well all I can say is he will present his case (if charged) either civilly or criminally. Either way huge trauma and not only financial but emotional to he and his but the victims family and friends...how horrible, tragic, UNNECESSARY.

 

piffle hate this story peace OUT

 

SMH sad sad sad

 

hasta lasagna leo 🙂

 

m

 

 

 

 

 

Baldwin should be denied bail.  Definitely a flight risk.  Also, likely heavily armed and enraged after his arrest and arraignment. 

 

    

Edited October 26, 2021 by Irv

[muppy]

10 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

Baldwin should be denied bail.  Definitely a flight risk.  Also, likely heavily armed and enraged after his arrest and arraignment. 

 

    

***Shrugs*****

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Muppy said:

well all I can say is he will present his case (if charged) either civilly or criminally. Either way huge trauma and not only financial but emotional to he and his but the victims family and friends...how horrible, tragic, UNNECESSARY.

 

piffle hate this story peace OUT

 

SMH sad sad sad

 

hasta lasagna leo 🙂

 

m

 

 

 

 

This sounds very reasonable and it would be so universally awesome if folks applied this mindset across the board.   
 

Stop.  Wait.  Listen. Consider.  Be empathetic. Judge if that’s your thing.   
 

Alas, that’s not the world we live in, and certainly not the course of action that the person at the center of this particular tragedy typically follows. It’s not the course of action of some, maybe many of his friends and associates in the biz follow, either, so it gets some traction nationally. 
 

Maybe something positive can come out of this, and people of goodwill will rush to withhold judgement after the next perp-involved shooting.   I’ve always heard that for emotionally stable people, taking a life is incredibly difficult even if justified.  We shouldn’t extend the benefit of doubt to folks just because they have name recognition or we feel that they know them because they play a good character on the telly. 

 

Sad indeed.  
 

 

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This sounds very reasonable and it would be so universally awesome if folks applied this mindset across the board.   
 

Stop.  Wait.  Listen. Consider.  Be empathetic. Judge if that’s your thing.   
 

Alas, that’s not the world we live in, and certainly not the course of action that the person at the center of this particular tragedy typically follows. It’s not the course of action of some, maybe many of his friends and associates in the biz follow, either, so it gets some traction nationally. 
 

Maybe something positive can come out of this, and people of goodwill will rush to withhold judgement after the next perp-involved shooting.   I’ve always heard that for emotionally stable people, taking a life is incredibly difficult even if justified.  We shouldn’t extend the benefit of doubt to folks just because they have name recognition or we feel that they know them because they play a good character on the telly. 

 

Sad indeed.  
 

Kudus amigo.

 

4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

Dang leonardo this is one epic post. Im glad to have helped inspire that.

 

BAM ........Preach! 

 

kudos amigo

 

m

Edited October 26, 2021 by Muppy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Since the incident, it has emerged that the assistant director who handed Baldwin the gun that killed Hutchins had been sacked from a film in 2019 after a prop gun accidentally fired on the set of the movie Freedom’s Path, injuring a crew member.

https://news.yahoo.com/alec-baldwin-shooting-latest-hilaria-020415051.html

 

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 minutes ago, Muppy said:

 

Dang leonardo this is one epic post. Im glad to have helped inspire that.

 

BAM ........Preach! 

 

kudos amigo

 

m

We would all benefit from a Muptick in empathy.  

[Chef Jim]

16 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

She was part of the management team.  ***** rolls downhill.

 

She was?  Please explain the hierarchy of movie set management and where the cinematographer falls in that management flow chart.  Thank you.