10/18/21 Gameday Bills @ Titans Postgame thread

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

My issue with him is his lack of adjustments. You should always be trying to find an answer. The fact he gave up on the defense pisses me off

I mean he's coaching to win the game lol I don't understand this take.  What Tennessee does is not exactly rocket science either it's a very physical brand of football where they punish you with the run to the point where linebackers just instinctively bite on play action thinking its a run and receivers are wide open.  His guys were not executing and he did what he thought gave his team the best chance to win that's his job.  

[klos63]

3 minutes ago, Weatherman said:

Yes

based on the final score?

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

No idea why the Bills coaches decided to make the game about getting a first down there?

 

Why are they playing for 1-yard?

 

When you’re on the 2-yard line?

 

Run any normal play where Allen has the option to run or pass to players in the end zone. 
 

That bailed the Titans out.

 

Allen played his guts out.

they were actually playing for 1/2 yard, which is worse strategy.  Line up 3 wide, I can't imagine the defense stopping us.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Honestly how do you stop Evans, Brown, Godwin, Gronk? Especially when Fournette is serviceable. We just don’t have a physical enough personnel. They ate KCs line for dinner, what do you think they are going to do to Morse and Mongo? 

KCs line in the super bowl was much worse than what ours has been this season...mostly due to their lack of depth and injuries.  Their game plan in that game seemed to completely ignore that fact too which still blows my mind to this day 

[WideNine]

6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

No idea why the Bills coaches decided to make the game about getting a first down there?

 

Why are they playing for 1-yard?

 

When you’re on the 2-yard line?

 

Run any normal play where Allen has the option to run or pass to players in the end zone. 
 

That bailed the Titans out.

 

Allen played his guts out.

 

 I agree with you - especially after they have stuffed our other attempt at the sneak. You could tell they really practiced shutting that down.

 

Would have preferred our chances with 11 or 12 personnel and some RPO action that would have spread things out a bit and forced them to decide whether to cover Allen or our RB, FB, or TE...

 

I miss our direct snap to the running back play - with Allen's ability to fake taking the ball and running to a side, one would think he would take a few defenders with him and our RB would have some room. Just food for thought.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by WideNine

[GETTOTHE50]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I mean he's coaching to win the game lol I don't understand this take.  What Tennessee does is not exactly rocket science either it's a very physical brand of football where they punish you with the run to the point where linebackers just instinctively bite on play action thinking its a run and receivers are wide open.  His guys were not executing and he did what he thought gave his team the best chance to win that's his job.  

 

How can you say hes coaching to win the game when the bills lost. he was playing a game of chances, and if you want that, then go be a fan of sean mcvay and the rams who havent won ***** either.

[Big C]

Typical doom and gloom after a loss. We lost by three points to a good team on the road. It happens. Yeah, we are gonna have some things to iron out. We always learn. We are good. Everyone enjoy your week off!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

based on the final score?

they were actually playing for 1/2 yard, which is worse strategy.  Line up 3 wide, I can't imagine the defense stopping us.

Well they’re like put the ball in Allen’s hands, but it’s like then have him run a play where he can throw or run, because the play before he gets you 6 yards.

 

How many times has Allen scrambled for a touchdown that close?

[GETTOTHE50]

6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

No idea why the Bills coaches decided to make the game about getting a first down there?

 

Why are they playing for 1-yard?

 

When you’re on the 2-yard line?

 

Run any normal play where Allen has the option to run or pass to players in the end zone. 
 

That bailed the Titans out.

 

Allen played his guts out.

 

Couldnt agree more. the time management and play calling was baffling at the end.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

based on the final score?

they were actually playing for 1/2 yard, which is worse strategy.  Line up 3 wide, I can't imagine the defense stopping us.

Passing the ball in that situation wouldve absolutely terrified me...so much can go wrong not to mention they don't want to end a game with a tossup type PI so they let the defense get away with some stuff 

[Norcalbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Brady don’t have a Derrick Henry. Hopefully the coaches watch the film and see that Addison is useless against the run. He’s strictly a pass rusher at this point. 

Brady is the goat of quick crossing patterns that tannehill shredded us with and has many many more weapons. But one game at a time. I agree, Addison hurt us. I'd like to know why they thought obada Hughes Addison Phillips were the choices tonight.

[LABILLBACKER]

11 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

That last sneak might have worked had Josh did what he did against the Texans and bounced outside

Once his cleat slipped out the game was over. I would've like to see him go airborne (hindsight)? 

[TtownBillsFan]

1 hour ago, 97bills said:

I will say this Allen is a bad man he will do anything to win, that also scares me to many hits. I love this team just need help up front maybe the rookies come along 

Don't be afraid of Allen taking hits.  The kid is BIG, and SMART.  He's not going to get hurt on any clean play.  He's too big, AND smart, for that to happen.  If that's what you're afraid of, please put that fear to rest.  ***** happens, but he's NOT a random, crazy player.  Put those fears to rest!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, GETTOTHE50 said:

 

Couldnt agree more. the time management and play calling was baffling at the end.

They have analytics guys crunching the numbers on stuff like this...an allen sneak was undoubtedly the highest percentage play there.  Throwing the ball in a short yardage situation like that opens you up to maybe the receiver drops the ball maybe the pass gets batted etc ....just didn't work out and obviously everyone is free to criticize 

[buffalo2218]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Once his cleat slipped out the game was over. I would've like to see him go airborne (hindsight)? 

I would have preferred a pass play, at least then Allen had a better chance to either keep or throw. It ended up worst case scenario

[LABILLBACKER]

Just now, Norcalbillsfan said:

Brady is the goat of quick crossing patterns that tannehill shredded us with and has many many more weapons. But one game at a time. I agree, Addison hurt us. I'd like to know why they thought obada Hughes Addison Phillips were the choices tonight.

I'm over Hughes and Addison. They'll both be gone next. They're just too old and slow to be impactful anymore. Play the young guys and draft more youngsters. 

[Richard Noggin]

19 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Show me a QB that doesn't have a bad series in a half?  The expectations for Allen by a small group of "fans" is bizarre IMO.  Honestly I think it's coming from the "wrong Josh" crowd that still can't get over the fact that Allen is actually an elite franchise QB.

 

 

That was KINDA my point. It was a bad series at a bad time in the game, when the offense could have sealed the deal by simply doing what they'd been doing previously. But of course it happens. 

 

Just can't happen then when the defense is getting run over. He was so composed and under control for the most part. Taking check downs, avoiding bad plays (despite poor line play and Titans scheming the Bills seemed a bit unprepared for). The same kind of approach would have worked on that drive, seemed like.

[Big C]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Edmunds bit on every play action. It’s like a broken record. Over and over agin. 

That’s what happens when you let the RB gash you over and over. Henry is special. 
 

Edmunds played more aggressive and physical against the run than ever - and managed stop Henry in his tracks a couple times mind you - and now we are upset with how he defended the pass. Well if the DL managed to stop the run or rush the passer with any efficiency the linebackers wouldn’t have to bite on the play action. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

Brady is the goat of quick crossing patterns that tannehill shredded us with and has many many more weapons. But one game at a time. I agree, Addison hurt us. I'd like to know why they thought obada Hughes Addison Phillips were the choices tonight.

Tannehill killed us because Henry killed us. Fournette is good, but no Henry. Bills can drop players into coverage with no threat of 76 yd TD runs

[Big C]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Once his cleat slipped out the game was over. I would've like to see him go airborne (hindsight)? 

Can’t go airborne unless you’re reaching across the goal line. Ball can be easily knocked out.

[Old Coot]

14 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

That last sneak might have worked had Josh did what he did against the Texans and bounced outside

If you look at the overhead replay of the play I think it was designed for Josh to go off left tackle but Sweeney's block on the outside LB was late.  That;\'s the crucial block and Sweeney's a sub so I'll bet he did not get any reps in practice on this play.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Love watching Dawkins get shoved into the shadow realm 0.2 seconds after the snap

It's really pretty amazing how bad he blew it on that play...in a negative way of course loll like that's almost 'I bet my life savings on the titans so im throwing the game' level bad 

[Norcalbillsfan]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Tannehill killed us because Henry killed us. Fournette is good, but no Henry. Bills can drop players into coverage with no threat of 76 yd TD runs

I hope your right

[LABILLBACKER]

Anybody know why the ball was spotted on the 5 yard line when Diggs was held in the endzone?

[Solomon Grundy]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Anybody know why the ball was spotted on the 5 yard line when Diggs was held in the endzone?

I’m waiting for explanation myself 

Edited October 19, 2021 by Solomon Grundy

[buffalo2218]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Anybody know why the ball was spotted on the 5 yard line when Diggs was held in the endzone?

I didn't get that either, that whole sequence occurred at the goal line

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

 

Couldnt agree more. the time management and play calling was baffling at the end.

Well you could see early on this game was trending towards a shootout and I’m not blaming Allen.

 

He played his guts out and that airborne run was incredible, giving it all he had there.

He willed the ball down the field and put the team on his back.

 

I just thought the Coaches outsmarted themselves, getting into that formation making it easy for the Titans to key in, instead of simply running a play that gave Allen maximum options especially considering there was only 22 seconds left, you’re on the 2 yard line so why are you playing for a yard there instead of getting a ball into the end zone?
 

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, Big C said:

Can’t go airborne unless you’re reaching across the goal line. Ball can be easily knocked out.

True

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

That was KINDA my point. It was a bad series at a bad time in the game, when the offense could have sealed the deal by simply doing what they'd been doing previously. But of course it happens. 

 

Just can't happen then when the defense is getting run over. He was so composed and under control for the most part. Taking check downs, avoiding bad plays (despite poor line play and Titans scheming the Bills seemed a bit unprepared for). The same kind of approach would have worked on that drive, seemed like.

I totally get what you're saying but we don't give him enough credit when he holds the ball and hits on a huge game changing play imo...we wouldve gotten bounced first round of the playoffs if it weren't for plays exactly like that one.  Being able to take the top off the defense is huge for opening up other stuff much like Henry running the ball sets up play action passes 

[Bruffalo]

The officiating was atrocious, game changingly bad. The announcing was somehow worse than Sunday Night Football, and I'm not even sure how that's possible.

 

The defensive plan didn't work, but only because of the 74 yard breakout run that was only possible because of a blatant hold. Without that, I think the script probably works. That being said, I hate Epenesa being inactive.  Why aren't we sacking guys? Pressure is there, clean up and finish.

 

Offensively, Josh Allen is a monster.  He was doing about as much as you can ask.  The offensive line was BAD.  The interior gave up a ton of pressure, Spencer Brown got ran over multiple times, and Dawkins just didn't look like himself.  I don't know what you can do but I'm drafting guards next offseason.  Redzone efficiency is poor, and I don't know how you fix it without a run game that actually be effective.

 

This loss really, really stings. I hate it. I hate it a lot.  I just hope the team can do better.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Bruffalo

[Big C]

1 minute ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

I hope your right

Did you watch what we did last week? Or the three weeks before that? None of those teams had a run game to speak of and this wasn’t an issue. Henry is one of a kind. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Well you could see early on this game was trending towards a shootout and I’m not blaming Allen.

 

He played his guts out and that airborne run was incredible, giving it all he had there.

He willed the ball down the field and put the team on his back.

 

I just thought the Coaches outsmarted themselves, getting into that formation making it easy for the Titans to key in, instead of simply running a play that gave Allen maximum options especially considering there was only 22 seconds left. 

Honestly formation alone I thought we had a win there.  Our oline just got absolutely embarrassed.  

[WideNine]

9 minutes ago, Big C said:

Typical doom and gloom after a loss. We lost by three points to a good team on the road. It happens. Yeah, we are gonna have some things to iron out. We always learn. We are good. Everyone enjoy your week off!

 

They are a very solid team, that Vrabel usually has ready to play who are not strangers to the post season.

 

2017 they lost the divisional playoffs to the Patriots

2019 they beat the Patriots, Ravens, then lost AFC Championship game to the Chiefs (35-24)

2020 they lost the wildcard against the Ravens (20-13)

Edited October 19, 2021 by WideNine

[klos63]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Anybody know why the ball was spotted on the 5 yard line when Diggs was held in the endzone?

That happened on both PI calls at the goal line.

[Norcalbillsfan]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It's really pretty amazing how bad he blew it on that play...in a negative way of course loll like that's almost 'I bet my life savings on the titans so im throwing the game' level bad 

I watched the play alot, he definitely blew it but when I look close. The defender grabbed Dawkins right shoulder pulls it down and pushes up Dawkins left shoulder while driving into him, completely flipping Dawkins out of the way. Perfect play call perfect move at the perfect spot of the play. Alot of things went well for the titans tonight.

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

That happened on both PI calls at the goal line.

 

Not sure, but assume they spotted it where they felt the initial DPI contact was made rather than the hugs he was giving in the EZ.

 

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I totally get what you're saying but we don't give him enough credit when he holds the ball and hits on a huge game changing play imo...we wouldve gotten bounced first round of the playoffs if it weren't for plays exactly like that one.  Being able to take the top off the defense is huge for opening up other stuff much like Henry running the ball sets up play action passes 

For sure he holds it and makes big chunk plays all the time. But on THAT drive, in THAT game, we needed to possess the ball and get first downs (and ideally score some points). And on the play I originally cited, we really needed Josh to come off his aggressive intentions and move up in the damned pocket (as the Titans rush left a RARE lane right up the gut for him), and either run for 4-10 yards or toss it to Sweeney for 4-10 yards. I had been praising his measured approach and willingness to bring his eyes back to his outlets for much of the game. But he went myopic on us there.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I don’t mind if they go for it on 4th down but that 4th down play call was just horrid. Everyone and their mother knew we were going to QB sneak it. As soon as Allen went under center I threw my phone and took a piss.

That's kind of the game with a qb sneak though...they are very effective unless you get everyone around the line of scrimmage...it really didn't look like the titans even sold out on the sneak to me our guys just got whooped outrageously bad...the offensive line started winning late in the game too looked like the titans dline was starting to get gassed...so I'm pretty surprised how monumentally bad that sneak went 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Honestly formation alone I thought we had a win there.  Our oline just got absolutely embarrassed.  

I don’t think Jeremy White has a deep reservoir of useful insights, but the giant-people 4th-1 sneak there was a strange decision to me.

 

Go for the win, I get it.

 

But why not just run a final play?

 

[DapperCam]

Why did Josh run left on the sneak? The o-line blocked right. I think something got goofed up there.

[Big C]

1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

They are a very solid team, that Vrabel usually has ready to play who are not strangers to the post season.

 

2017 they lost the divisional playoffs to the Patriots

2019 they beat the Patriots, Ravens, then lost AFC Championship game to the Chiefs (35-24)

2020 they lost the wildcard against the Ravens (20-13)

Yep. I don’t think Vrabel is the smartest coach in every situation but he has done a good job overall. 
 

This type of team is one of if not the worst matchup for us. We are absolutely built to stop the pass. The Titans are uniquely capable of setting the tone via the run game because they have one of the best backs of all time.