scuba guy Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: “Held there own” against the Bills DL. Fine choice of words, Indeed. I think Big Ben knew just where he was going with the ball and got it out fast, which makes it harder for our DL to get there (I also saw some pretty rampant uncalled holding - which i would be ok with except the refs were calling it on us). I think something the Steelers D was doing was puzzling Allen and there were a lack of quick hit options for him, and there were uncharacteristic drops and misfires on those that were there Well I hope if he is saying that he was at the game cause from my seat Ben did not want to get hit he flinched several times when he was about to get hit. And every pass he threw was a wounded duck no zip on the ball at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, BTB said: Thank you! It depends...refs have absolutely objectively blown game changing plays and admitted to it...like the end of our playoff game against the texans a few years ago and the saints playoff loss to the rams 1 minute ago, PayDaBill$ said: Watching Browns v Chiefs Browns Chiefs offense play calling operates at another level. I really like what the Browns are doing today. Andy Reid called the worst game I've ever seen in the super bowl last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: 2 on Dawkins were accepted, two more were declined. If a penalty is declined, it arguably doesn’t influence the play. I repeat, what part of “our entire OL was beaten like a drum” is reasonably translated by you as “I thought Dawkins looked OK”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: Browns look head and shoulders better than the Bills. Chiefs too. Good thing the playoffs don’t start next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: A pass only offense is not necessarily one dimensional we are horribly oversimplifying this on this board lol 4-5 wr sets are tough to handle and you can line up in shotgun or the pistol and dump it off to a rb and its pretty much a running play and you also can run designed qb runs and all kinds of other things. Our offense isn't like we're dropping back to pass every play with only 3 targets on the field. All true, But, in our case, Dabol, as good as he is, is not very good at when and how to use his RBs, and this has been his Achilles heel since he has been our OC, it really can’t be argued otherwise. Go Bills!!! 12 minutes ago, Dan said: Who needs preseason Our offense was rusty and out of sync, a couple of series in one preseason game does not knock the rust off nor does it build game level chemistry between the QB and his targets. Today showed this to be the case. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Well with one play kc is back in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 .imho too many mistakes were the root cause . Too many opportunities missed to make plays, and too many instances of poor execution. Inconsistent zebras don’t help, but they weren’t the reason we lost. I have to admit that the helmet to helmet non call late on, did piss me off a lot. But realistically the game was up then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: If a penalty is declined, it arguably doesn’t influence the play. I repeat, what part of “our entire OL was beaten like a drum” is reasonably translated by you as “I thought Dawkins looked OK”? I agree with you that the entire line was terrible. I've said as much several times today. You responded directly to my assertion that Dawkins in particular looked very out of game shape and was repeatedly abused. My assertion was that he still hasn't gotten himself together from his totally preventable hospitalization because the other players on the line who stunk today also stunk last year. Dion stinking is new and therefore more note worthy than John Feliciano getting manhandled by a DT when he gets manhandled by every good DT he faces or Cody Ford being a turnstile because he usually is or Darryl Williams struggling with speed rushers because he usually does. Moreover you responded to my post by attacking me and you're a mod. Do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: It depends...refs have absolutely objectively blown game changing plays and admitted to it...like the end of our playoff game against the texans a few years ago and the saints playoff loss to the rams Andy Reid called the worst game I've ever seen in the super bowl last year. Where would you rank today’s Bills play calling? Edited September 12, 2021 by PayDaBill$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Defensive line was historically awful last year and we went to the afc championship game. They looked pretty good today that is a monumental difference compared to last season. What should I be looking for in the kc/Cleveland game? I'm assuming you mean since Cleveland is winning we are worse than both Cleveland and kc? Pretty good? First half maybe, couldn’t get a stop in the second half against an oline with two rookies and an old broken down Qb. You should understand what a dominant running game can do for your qb. If you are happy with what our D did today, enjoy your low expectations. Watching the Pats oline give a rookie Qb starting his first game all the time he needs is giving him confidence and the ability to succeed. Our lines will be the downfall of this team along with a OC who thinks he’s way to cute for his own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Bills are still the better team. They won every category for the most part. The blocked punt was an equalizer and the play calling on offense was terrible. Daboll low key is a problem. Very slow to change his game plan. No real motion, no real diversity in formation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, vincec said: Chiefs too. Good thing the playoffs don’t start next week! Haha how can you say two teams that we've only seen play eachother look better than the bills 🤣 chiefs secondary is a huge question mark if the officiating of the super bowl continues and theyre not allowed to hold everyone lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Playoffs? said: I might be more worried about the Browns right now! We’ll be hard-pressed to beat the Pats and Fins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, mannc said: We’ll be hard-pressed to beat the Pats and Fins Did you see that Tua interception? We're fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: At the cap Feliciano re-signed for, who do you suggest they should have gotten? We should have drafted someone. Probably could have found someone better for the 5 million we spent on him too, even if it was at a different position. Feliciano isn’t worth a thing. Fake toughness doesn’t make a good blocker. One of the most overrated players I have ever seen. Edited September 12, 2021 by MWK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If a penalty is declined, it arguably doesn’t influence the play. So I shouldn't be concerned about those other two flags that would have negated any positive play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Did you see that Tua interception? We're fine. That was awful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, MWK said: We should have drafted someone. Probably could have found someone better for the 5 million we spent on him too, even if it was at a different position. Feliciano isn’t worth a thing. Fake toughness doesn’t make a good blocker. One of the most overrated players I have ever seen. We did. We drafted two actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 42 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: I just saw one game. One game. You apparently have watched the whole season and can see how this all turns out. Thank you so much for joining us here and enlightening us about how terrible this all ends. I’m gonna stop watching now. If you can’t see the issues that weren’t fixed from last years team what can I say. I’m sure we will pick off the low hanging fruit, why wouldn’t we? But the last 5 teams we played have handled this offense each better than the previous, if your happy about that good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said: Pretty good? First half maybe, couldn’t get a stop in the second half against an oline with two rookies and an old broken down Qb. You should understand what a dominant running game can do for your qb. If you are happy with what our D did today, enjoy your low expectations. Watching the Pats oline give a rookie Qb starting his first game all the time he needs is giving him confidence and the ability to succeed. Our lines will be the downfall of this team along with a OC who thinks he’s way to cute for his own good. Can someone please tell me how Ben is now broken down 🤣 I keep seeing that and there is 0 evidence of that. Is it because he lobs passes and hits receivers in stride? I do understand what a dominant run game can do for your qb but you don't understand how much the current offensive scheme is helping our qb just because he has a mediocre game every now and then. Also how high are you DL standards for a year that is cap reduced lol they took the run away all game...all season last year we gave away 5 yard runs for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: We did. We drafted two actually. They made a lot of moves wrt the OL. FAs didn’t really pan out. I have high hopes for the draft picks though, but it may take a couple of years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 You need your 43 million dollar QB to not to play like a rookie. concerning that this was rookie Allen. Big step back. Needs to figure it out and fast. end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: I agree with you that the entire line was terrible. I've said as much several times today. You responded directly to my assertion that Dawkins in particular looked very out of game shape and was repeatedly abused. My assertion was that he still hasn't gotten himself together from his totally preventable hospitalization because the other players on the line who stunk today also stunk last year. Dion stinking is new and therefore more note worthy than John Feliciano getting manhandled by a DT when he gets manhandled by every good DT he faces or Cody Ford being a turnstile because he usually is or Darryl Williams struggling with speed rushers because he usually does. Moreover you responded to my post by attacking me and you're a mod. Do better. What part of “our entire OL got beaten like a drum” is reasonably translated to “Dawkins holding penalties weren’t a problem” in your unique intracranial processing? — you think that’s an attack? OK Bet. We agree the entire OL was terrible today. It looks to me as though you just have drum you want to beat with regard to Dawkins. Go re-read the pinned post and Don’t. Your stuff about our OL usually is just SMH because more often than not, they did a good job keeping Allen clean and staying with the play last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Bills are still the better team. They won every category for the most part. The blocked punt was an equalizer and the play calling on offense was terrible. Daboll low key is a problem. Very slow to change his game plan. No real motion, no real diversity in formation. I agree about some suspect play calls on 3rd and 4th downs. But I imagine when the steelers don't have to change packages or blitz at all cuz the front 4 are absolutely destroying our O line it makes it very difficult to scheme. You can't catch them on a blitz or out of formation cuz the Steelers were literally beating our entire offense with 4 guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Norcalbillsfan said: I agree about some suspect play calls on 3rd and 4th downs. But I imagine when the steelers don't have to change packages or blitz at all cuz the front 4 are absolutely destroying our O line it makes it very difficult to scheme. You can't catch them on a blitz or out of formation cuz the Steelers were literally beating our entire offense with 4 guys. This is they key reason that those “trick plays” don’t work. No one on defense is over committing because they’re dominating playing straight up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Pretty good? First half maybe, couldn’t get a stop in the second half against an oline with two rookies and an old broken down Qb. You should understand what a dominant running game can do for your qb. If you are happy with what our D did today, enjoy your low expectations. Watching the Pats oline give a rookie Qb starting his first game all the time he needs is giving him confidence and the ability to succeed. Our lines will be the downfall of this team along with a OC who thinks he’s way to cute for his own good. 9 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Bills are still the better team. They won every category for the most part. The blocked punt was an equalizer and the play calling on offense was terrible. Daboll low key is a problem. Very slow to change his game plan. No real motion, no real diversity in formation. Now we get a little glimpse behind the curtain as to why no team hired Daboll last year. Even though many thought he'd be gobbled up immediately. He's an above average OC who does have obvious flaws. He has no clue what to do with running backs. Today's 4th down calls were hilarious. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What part of “our entire OL got beaten like a drum” is reasonably translated to “Dawkins holding penalties weren’t a problem” in your unique intracranial processing? — you think that’s an attack? OK Bet. We agree the entire OL was terrible. It looks to me as though you just have drum you want to beat with regard to Dawkins. Go re-read the pinned post and Don’t. I posted about Dawkins twice today. Twice. If that's a drum to beat go after half the board. If it happens that the drum doesn't agree with personal proclivity get over it. And yes, talking about a persons unique intracranial processing is a personal attack whether you choose to use 25 cent words or not. Again. You are a mod. Do better. You know you were wrong because you amended your original post without deleting the first one. Own it. Edited September 12, 2021 by That's No Moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He had 4 catches for 45 yards thats not torching more like a sparkler It is IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Norcalbillsfan said: I agree about some suspect play calls on 3rd and 4th downs. But I imagine when the steelers don't have to change packages or blitz at all cuz the front 4 are absolutely destroying our O line it makes it very difficult to scheme. You can't catch them on a blitz or out of formation cuz the Steelers were literally beating our entire offense with 4 guys. I disagree. Bring a te and back in to block. Utilize differant formations to create an advantage. I have issues. Scheme some easy throws. They were so far off run a bit more not alot. No reason for Buffalo not to score more than theu did. The penalties can be pointed to but the play calling is deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said: Where would you rank today’s Bills play calling? Better than the chiefs super bowl playcalling 🤣 the plays were there we just didn't execute...those games happen. I'm all for judging the 4th down gadget plays that didn't work but that could come down to execution too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Can someone please tell me how Ben is now broken down 🤣 I keep seeing that and there is 0 evidence of that. Is it because he lobs passes and hits receivers in stride? I do understand what a dominant run game can do for your qb but you don't understand how much the current offensive scheme is helping our qb just because he has a mediocre game every now and then. Also how high are you DL standards for a year that is cap reduced lol they took the run away all game...all season last year we gave away 5 yard runs for free He has a dead arm, he’s mostly imobile if we could have generated any pressure on him in the second half it would have been a different game. My d line standard expects a line to be able to pressure a statue playing on the road with two rookies on the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, vincec said: This is they key reason that those “trick plays” don’t work. No one on defense is over committing because they’re dominating playing straight up. Na we whiffed badly on blocks...hb pass could've been there I have to check that one again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: I posted about Dawkins twice today. Twice. If that's a drum to beat go after half the board. If it happens that the drum doesn't agree with personal proclivity get over it. And yes, talking about a persons unique intracranial processing is a personal attack whether you choose to use 25 cent words or not. Again. You are a mod. Do better. You know you were wrong because you amended your original post without deleting the first one. Own it. Actually my first post didn’t show up so I thought it got lost and reposted, then deleted when I saw it was a duplicate. Sorry to rain on your conspiracy parade, that’s not why the post was deleted. You’ve made multiple posts now about a player’s illness and hospitalization. Let it go and focus on football. Advice, take it or leave it I don’t care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 One way or another, this team better find a way to beat Miami. I don’t care what the expectations are. 0-2 is a borderline death sentence. You better get off the mat and get right in Miami. A game which will not be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Now we get a little glimpse behind the curtain as to why no team hired Daboll last year. Even though many thought he'd be gobbled up immediately. He's an above average OC who does have obvious flaws. He has no clue what to do with running backs. Today's 4th down calls were hilarious. Inexcusable to be exact. Not sure he’s above average, too many head scratchers to be honest. Not the first game he’s fallen on his face…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: He has a dead arm, he’s mostly imobile if we could have generated any pressure on him in the second half it would have been a different game. My d line standard expects a line to be able to pressure a statue playing on the road with two rookies on the line. Maybe you've been watching josh allen too much 🤣 Ben has always been slow hes just tough to tackle. I'm not sure where dead arm is coming from hes got big physical receivers that you want to throw jump balls to especially in tight coverage. Edited September 12, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Maybe you've been watching josh allen too much 🤣 Ben has always been slow hes just tough to tackle. I'm not sure where dead arm is coming from hes got big physical receivers that you want to throw jump balls to especially in tight coverage. He no longer can throw accurately down field, we’ll documented last year. Folds under pressure can’t or doesn’t want to take the hits anymore. You obviously haven’t been paying attention as of late. Teams that can pressure him beat him… Edited September 12, 2021 by Meatloaf63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: One way or another, this team better find a way to beat Miami. I don’t care what the expectations are. 0-2 is a borderline death sentence. You better get off the mat and get right in Miami. A game which will not be easy. NE fumbled like 4 times and lost by 1…. But yes it will be Miami’s home opener and if the offense plays (shotgun 3 step drop every play) then it may be another long day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said: He no longer can throw accurately down field, we’ll documented last year. Folds under pressure can’t it doesn’t want to take the hits anymore. You obviously haven’t been paying attention as of late. Teams that can pressure him beat him… He was scattershot today and his WR helped him out. Ben was 12 for 23 to his top three WRs. I concur with the dead arm assessment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) I will say this though; Ben Roethlisberger took more hits Today than he did probably the first eight games of last year . Then after watching other AFCE games ....dont think we have that tough of a road. Edited September 12, 2021 by RichRiderBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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