Allen comments on getting too hyped up before games

[BillMafia716ix]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

After playing the regular season last year without fans in the stands I was curious how the Bills would come out today.  Emotional, all business, something in between?  I do think the sellout home crowd atmosphere gets Allen too amped up.  When the home stadium is full and rocking I think he gets a little distracted.  What I'm looking at is a guy that wants to deliver for the crowd a little too much.  On the road I think he's more composed and steady.  And last season without fans in Orchard Park he played lights out most home games.  

The other glaring problem today was the Steelers rush never allowed Allen to get comfortable.  He was under pressure on most plays.  And off target on many throws either from pressure or anticipating pressure.  The play calling today did him no favors either.  I think that's a consensus view on the board tonight. 

Way too much empty which narrows down the play options to the QB passing the ball or running himself.  Daboll also needs to mix it up when it comes to formation and personnel packages.  Just understanding those two factors it was pretty well telegraphed what the Bills were trying to do play to play.  Even those designed runs by Allen were well telegraphed.  If I can figure out a lot of what the offense is going to do you can bet your life the Steelers coaching group knows a lot better.  A little deception with the play calls mixing things up with formation and personnel groups needs to be dialed up here.  As somebody said in another post defenses eventually figure it out and playing a talented and well-coached defense like the Steelers group being predictable is death for your offense.  Today it looked like the Steelers defensive coaches and players were siting in on the Bills offensive game planning sessions all week.  

I agree with the offense being predictable. The Bills don’t run the ball enough so whenever Josh lines up under center it’s a run call almost 90% of the time. Daboll needs to be more balanced. That’s pretty much been his problem since he’s been here 

[CountDorkula]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I just don't like the offensive scheme. I think it's way too pass happy, puts too much pressure on Allen, is too reliant on Allen, and vulnerable especially against playoff caliber teams. Teams have much more tape on the Bills scheme and system. Defense almost always catches up with offensive systems. Imho, Cabell and company have to better establish a run game to take some off of Allen's plate. He was almost super human last year and I doubt we see that consistent version of Allen this year. In fact, if you look at the playoff games Allen wasn't that great. Time will tell. 

Allen is the 2nd highest paid qb in the league. If the Bills have to pass less because he can’t handle it, then the Bills are in serious trouble. 

[bahamasbills]

13 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Allen is the 2nd highest paid qb in the league. If the Bills have to pass less because he can’t handle it, then the Bills are in serious trouble. 

KC went out and drafted a first round RB.  Football is a game of strategy, if your offense is predictable its gonna be stopped.  We have to run more earlier to keep the defenses on their toes. 

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

Allen is the 2nd highest paid qb in the league. If the Bills have to pass less because he can’t handle it, then the Bills are in serious trouble. 

I watched the Chiefs, who have the highest paid QB, and they run the ball effectively. It's not whether Allen can handle it or not it's about whether it's smart to be that one dimensional game after game. Against most teams I suspect Allen will handle it just fine and shine.  But there will be games because of either the quality of the opposing defense or the weather conditions where we'll have to be less one dimensional. 

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Lol I knew this stupid thread was going to get bumped 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

42 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

I agree with the offense being predictable. The Bills don’t run the ball enough so whenever Josh lines up under center it’s a run call almost 90% of the time. Daboll needs to be more balanced. That’s pretty much been his problem since he’s been here 

Daboll gets a lot of blame for the games where the offense just doesn't execute in my opinion.  4wr sets when your qb can run put a ton of pressure on the defense which is why you're seeing that setup get more and more popular around the league.  If you're under center in run heavy formations that makes your offense less dynamic...run vs pass is a very old school oversimplification that really only the fans make lol

[LabattBlue]

4 minutes ago, bahamasbills said:

KC went out and drafted a first round RB.  Football is a game of strategy, if your offense is predictable its gonna be stopped.  We have to run more earlier to keep the defenses on their toes. 

…except the run blocking sucked last year, and the same 5 guys are back this year.  Go figure. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

I watched the Chiefs, who have the highest paid QB, and they run the ball effectively. It's not whether Allen can handle it or not it's about whether it's smart to be that one dimensional game after game. Against most teams I suspect Allen will handle it just fine and shine.  But there will be games because of either the quality of the opposing defense or the weather conditions where we'll have to be less one dimensional. 

 

 

Helaire averaged 3.1 ypc...they were not super effective running the football.  That number is likely even lower if they played against the same defense we did 

[CountDorkula]

8 minutes ago, bahamasbills said:

KC went out and drafted a first round RB.  Football is a game of strategy, if your offense is predictable its gonna be stopped.  We have to run more earlier to keep the defenses on their toes. 

CEH 14 for 43. 3 YPC

Singletary 11 for 72. 6.5 YPC

 

 

5 minutes ago, BTB said:

…except the run blocking sucked last year, and the same 5 guys are back this year.  Go figure. 

Singletary averaged 6+ YPC today. 
 

that elite RB in KC averaged 3. 
 

running the ball was fine. 

7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Helaire averaged 3.1 ypc...they were not super effective running the football.  That number is likely even lower if they played against the same defense we did 

And they probably still blow out Pittsburgh. 

[bahamasbills]

19 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

CEH 14 for 43. 3 YPC

Singletary 11 for 72. 6.5 YPC

 

KC was playing from behind all day tho.  Just saying, they didn't burn a first round pick on the guy for nothing.  They have an all world qb and still invested a pretty penny on a RB.

 

[BigDingus]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Lol I knew this stupid thread was going to get bumped 

 

Well you could tell every big game the past couple years (New England, Baltimore, Tennessee, KC, etc.) he gets as amped up as the fans do & plays differently.

 

This being the home opener, 70k fans back in the seats, Super Bowl expectations & people calling him a possible MVP front-runner...and against a conference rival, yeah, he played like 2018-2019 Josh Allen again. He wasn't the only guy who played poorly, so we're not saying it's all his fault, but this team's success lives & dies by Allen. 

 

If he plays like this going forward, we'll be lucky to get a WC slot.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, bahamasbills said:

KC went out and drafted a first round RB.  Football is a game of strategy, if your offense is predictable its gonna be stopped.  We have to run more earlier to keep the defenses on their toes. 

Agree 100%. Not sure why the Bills coaching staff seemingly doesn't grasp this. Last years playoff games pretty much exposed this. 

Edited September 13, 2021 by newcam2012

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Well you could tell every big game the past couple years (New England, Baltimore, Tennessee, KC, etc.) he gets as amped up as the fans do & plays differently.

 

This being the home opener, 70k fans back in the seats, Super Bowl expectations & people calling him a possible MVP front-runner...and against a conference rival, yeah, he played like 2018-2019 Josh Allen again. He wasn't the only guy who played poorly, so we're not saying it's all his fault, but this team's success lives & dies by Allen. 

 

If he plays like this going forward, we'll be lucky to get a WC slot.

2018 josh allen throws 3 ints that game... he was completely fooled by the Steelers presnap alignment and his offensive line couldn't block anyone and he still made plays.  I think today's game was the first evidence in a long time where Josh allen didn't have to win the game single handedly and could've afforded to take some of the open underneath stuff/checkdowns without trying to consistently force the ball downfield and he looks pretty silly for not doing so...I kind of got the opposite impression of this game than a lot of other people it sounds like lol. Looked like he had lots of checkdowns that he passed up thinking he could avoid a 4 man rush long enough to hit something deep and it just wasn't necessary 

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

CEH 14 for 43. 3 YPC

Singletary 11 for 72. 6.5 YPC

 

 

Singletary averaged 6+ YPC today. 
 

that elite RB in KC averaged 3. 
 

running the ball was fine. 

And they probably still blow out Pittsburgh. 

 

Singletary ran 7 times for 23 yards before the Steelers took the lead.

 

Once the Steelers were up by 10 in the 4th and playing prevent, he ran 4 more times for 48 yards.

 

Your understanding of the rushing attack today lacks actual context.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Singletary ran 7 times for 23 yards before the Steelers took the lead.

 

Once the Steelers were up by 10 in the 4th and playing prevent, he ran 4 more times for 48 yards.

 

Your understanding of the rushing attack today lacks actual context.

Yea im in the camp of we would have gotten absolutely stuffed if we ran the ball when it mattered and that's why you saw a lot of gimmicky nonsense on 4th and short lol there is really not much in the playbook for any team when you are getting absolutely whooped by a 4 man rush I'm surprised we moved the ball the amount that we did...just couldn't hit on any of those short yardage plays and it's easy with the power of hindsight to say run the ball there  

[BananaB]

8 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Well you could tell every big game the past couple years (New England, Baltimore, Tennessee, KC, etc.) he gets as amped up as the fans do & plays differently.

 

This being the home opener, 70k fans back in the seats, Super Bowl expectations & people calling him a possible MVP front-runner...and against a conference rival, yeah, he played like 2018-2019 Josh Allen again. He wasn't the only guy who played poorly, so we're not saying it's all his fault, but this team's success lives & dies by Allen. 

 

If he plays like this going forward, we'll be lucky to get a WC slot.

Hope it’s not the full capacity stadium that amped. If it is we are ***** for the next 8 years. Haha

[SCBills]

4 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

2018 josh allen throws 3 ints that game... he was completely fooled by the Steelers presnap alignment and his offensive line couldn't block anyone and he still made plays.  I think today's game was the first evidence in a long time where Josh allen didn't have to win the game single handedly and could've afforded to take some of the open underneath stuff/checkdowns without trying to consistently force the ball downfield and he looks pretty silly for not doing so...I kind of got the opposite impression of this game than a lot of other people it sounds like lol. Looked like he had lots of checkdowns that he passed up thinking he could avoid a 4 man rush long enough to hit something deep and it just wasn't necessary 

Watched Mahomes a bit and for a while he was just taking the snap.. 1, 2, underneath throw.  His player then turned upfield for an extra 4-5 yards. 
 

Allen, every play, even when the threw underneath, seemed to be 1, 2, 3, 4, underneath throw.   WR immediately tackled. 

[BigBuff423]

It was evident that Josh's emotions were driving the ball too hard, gripping the ball too tightly and generally pressing to make the game bigger than it actually was in his mind. As soon as I saw him overthrow Sanders when Sanders was NFL gaping wide open, I knew Josh's arm had too much of the jitters in him. He was so amped and pumped, he needed to get his adrenaline back to baseline. 

 

I think Allen needs to find the mental trigger to get to cold as ice before and during games. He had much of that last year and honestly, at this point it's his final flaw. That's not to say that he's perfect, but no QB is "perfect", it's just that when his emotions are in check and he's able to focus them and harness them, there isn't a throw he can't make - be it for power or precision. 

[CountDorkula]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Singletary ran 7 times for 23 yards before the Steelers took the lead.

 

Once the Steelers were up by 10 in the 4th and playing prevent, he ran 4 more times for 48 yards.

 

Your understanding of the rushing attack today lacks actual context.

So he averaged 3.2 YPC.... the same as CEH...

Rushing attacks matter so little if your QB can be elite.

 

Today was not that day for Allen. Rookie Allen was back today, not yet concerning, but something to watch for. 

 

[Kemp]

You can blame lots of things for the loss, but your most important player was plain awful. Only one game, but it puts back doubt in him until he reverts back to the form of last season.

[AuntieEm]

6 hours ago, Kemp said:

You can blame lots of things for the loss, but your most important player was plain awful. Only one game, but it puts back doubt in him until he reverts back to the form of last season.

 

 

    I am not overly concerned, I usually optimistic when it concerns the Bills as are most of the old faithful of bills fans.  So with an optimistic view here are possible reasons that would make this loss a chess move versus checkers move.

 

   The Bills and Josh both benefitted by other teams knowing that no QB can fix accuracy, until that was no longer true.  So Josh is scary to other teams cause they don't know where it is that his ceiling is reached. Only ones that have some inkling are those that he's playing with at practices. The  coaches and teammates,  Let the doubts creep in the opponents heads, see Josh is not accurate as far all.....  Losing to Pittsburg is not gonna make the season either way and why show anything to an afc rival that might be met in playoffs.  (I know playing extremely long game with this reasoning but still possible - Bills legit have the talent to be in mix for AFC champs as do the Steelers).  Knowing Dawkins isn't up to his normal standards against a good defensive team you can't put all that on the rookie Brown just to have the 1-0 which is nice but no even close to being important. 

  

     I like the Bills chances against their divisional foes alot better than Pittsburgh's.  So while head to head tie goes to pitt I think we may edge them out for conference record at end of year.

 

 

 

[Mango]

12 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea im in the camp of we would have gotten absolutely stuffed if we ran the ball when it mattered and that's why you saw a lot of gimmicky nonsense on 4th and short lol there is really not much in the playbook for any team when you are getting absolutely whooped by a 4 man rush I'm surprised we moved the ball the amount that we did...just couldn't hit on any of those short yardage plays and it's easy with the power of hindsight to say run the ball there  

Dabolls offense under Allen has always seemed to lack the quick pass and efficient screen game. We almost never see Allen take a quick 3 step drop, hit the top and release immediately to a WR on a slant, in, etc. 

 

When the run game doesn’t work we really struggle to either design or execute (unsure which it is) an efficient counter to help make up for it. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

46 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 

 

    I am not overly concerned, I usually optimistic when it concerns the Bills as are most of the old faithful of bills fans.  So with an optimistic view here are possible reasons that would make this loss a chess move versus checkers move.

 

   The Bills and Josh both benefitted by other teams knowing that no QB can fix accuracy, until that was no longer true.  So Josh is scary to other teams cause they don't know where it is that his ceiling is reached. Only ones that have some inkling are those that he's playing with at practices. The  coaches and teammates,  Let the doubts creep in the opponents heads, see Josh is not accurate as far all.....  Losing to Pittsburg is not gonna make the season either way and why show anything to an afc rival that might be met in playoffs.  (I know playing extremely long game with this reasoning but still possible - Bills legit have the talent to be in mix for AFC champs as do the Steelers).  Knowing Dawkins isn't up to his normal standards against a good defensive team you can't put all that on the rookie Brown just to have the 1-0 which is nice but no even close to being important. 

  

     I like the Bills chances against their divisional foes alot better than Pittsburgh's.  So while head to head tie goes to pitt I think we may edge them out for conference record at end of year.

 

 

 

I am not sure exactly what is being said here, but did you just suggest that the Bills may have been holding back, not wanting to show something to Pittsburgh? If so... no. Just no. That is a terrible wishful thinking take that always pops up after losses. That does not happen in a game like this. Awful take.

[Not at the table Karlos]

Anyone remember when the Bills were looking for a sports psychologist after his rookie year? I think there was a thread here on it. 

[Locomark]

But we had white face masks on!! 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Eric Wood was on Schopp/Bulldog yesterday and One Bills Live today talking about Josh's struggles with this. Tasker also said today he thinks the crowd and expectations got into Josh's head.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Giuseppe Tognarelli

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Eric Wood was on Schopp/Bulldog yesterday and One Bills Live today talking about Josh's struggles with this. Tasker also said today he thinks the crowd and expectations got into Josh's head.

Maybe it did some. He will settle down. No concern

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

21 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Anyone remember when the Bills were looking for a sports psychologist after his rookie year? I think there was a thread here on it. 

I don't remember any reports on it. I remember suggesting it and taking heavy fire, which seems to happen any time you mention sports psychology. People tend to think it's a bunch of nonsense.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Eric Wood was on Schopp/Bulldog yesterday and One Bills Live today talking about Josh's struggles with this. Tasker also said today he thinks the crowd and expectations got into Josh's head.

i don't think anyone questioned that it happened.  it's more whether someone thinks it will be an issue that damages his career.  he was obviously too nerved up.  he can fix it.

[Not at the table Karlos]

20 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I don't remember any reports on it. I remember suggesting it and taking heavy fire, which seems to happen any time you mention sports psychology. People tend to think it's a bunch of nonsense.

Here's the thread. Wasn't after his rookie year was after Houston playoff loss. 

 

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/222508-bills-are-hiring-a-“mental-performance-consultant”-aka-sports-psychologist/

Edited September 14, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos

[MrSarcasm]

On 9/13/2021 at 7:26 AM, Kemp said:

You can blame lots of things for the loss, but your most important player was plain awful. Only one game, but it puts back doubt in him until he reverts back to the form of last season.

And Aaron Rodgers awful game signifies what? Washed up?

 

Fact is QBs have bad days, people have bad days at work, even preachers have bad days.

 

Move on.