ISO: Suggestions for moderators at PPP

[SDS]

I'd like to find a handful of people (3?) who are invested in this group that would like to be a moderator and who is supported by the group as a good choice. Feel free to nominate someone. Please refrain from jokes and nonsense. I'd like a serious effort to if anyone fits the bill.

 

With the overriding point that this is first and foremost a Buffalo Bills community, here are some loose expectations:

 

1. Watch for objectionable content. Promotion of violence, etc...
2. Identify over-the-top posters who are here to disrupt and not engage in good faith discussion
3. Note any other general concerns you may have

 

If anyone is interested, and there may not, I think I'd like to try 1-year commitments and then review every year afterwards. Since this isn't season based, Jan 1st is a good time to touch base every year. Anyone willing to step forward now, would go to 12/31/2023.

 

This would be a mostly thankless task, one that I haven't been up to myself for years. Perhaps having some new people lend a helping hand would be a benefit to all. If the choices are less than ideal, we will just keep it the way it is. No hard feelings if I pass on anyone in particular.

 

With that said, is there a group of contributors that would be good in your eyes?

[Unforgiven]

I'll leave. I'm sure people on the right are the target here.

bye.

[SDS]

9 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

I'll leave. I'm sure people on the right are the target here.

bye.

1st post -> tangent. I’d like to stay on topic. What I wrote applies equally to any person. 

[Figster]

They may not like my recommendation because it is a thankless job IMO.( x10 in PPP)

 

I'm not sure what happened while I was away. I like Beerball as a mod.  Hes experienced and I think he gets along well with people IMO.  Beerball also has a good intellect for PPP IMO. 

[SDS]

24 minutes ago, Figster said:

They may not like my recommendation because it is a thankless job IMO.( x10 in PPP)

 

I'm not sure what happened while I was away. I like Beerball as a mod.  Hes experienced and I think he gets along well with people IMO.  Beerball also has a good intellect for PPP IMO. 

Nothing has happened. Just been doing a lot of community stuff. 

[Buffarukus]

i dont really think pulling someone from this section is a good idea. most people have a political bias, whether they admit it or not. I'd think you'd want people that are not really paying attention to politics in general so they are only looking at guideline infractions and not letting anything else make the judgments.

 

last thing I'd want to see is heavy handed moderation that constantly leans in a direction. smaller boards are the last places where "moderation" isn't used for flat out censorship. the fact this place hasn't followed the trend so far is what makes it different.

 

[SDS]

Just now, Buffarukus said:

i dont really think pulling someone from this section is a good idea. most people have a political bias, whether they admit it or not. I'd think you'd want people that are not really paying attention to politics in general so they are only looking at guideline infractions and not letting anything else make the judgments.

 

last thing I'd want to see is heavy handed moderation that constantly leans in a direction. smaller boards are the last places where "moderation" isn't used for flat out censorship. the fact this place hasn't followed the trend so far is what makes it different.

 

I don’t think anything I had written above suggests heavy-handed moderation. I also don’t think anyone not involved here would willingly come here to be a moderator. 

[Buffarukus]

1 minute ago, SDS said:

I don’t think anything I had written above suggests heavy-handed moderation. I also don’t think anyone not involved here would willingly come here to be a moderator. 

 

i dont think the original intent is ever that but in a day and age some consider words violence and opposing viewpoints are considered propaganda it can quickly get there with the wrong moderator. its happening all over the place.

 

just my two cents. im obv not on here enough to see everything that goes on. 

 

best bet imo. 3 libertarians! 👍

 

[SDS]

Just now, Buffarukus said:

 

i dont think the original intent is ever that but in a day and age some consider words violence and opposing viewpoints are considered propaganda it can quickly get there with the wrong moderator. its happening all over the place.

 

just my two cents. im obv not on here enough to see everything that goes on. 

 

best bet imo. 3 libertarians! 👍

 

Suggestions are welcome. 

[Orlando Tim]

You might want to consider a simple warning to both sides that if your feeling are hurt easily this is not the place for you. Also something along the lines of the only thing off limits is any version of a personal threat. I don't think many of us mind a little name calling even if it childish.

[SDS]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

You might want to consider a simple warning to both sides that if your feeling are hurt easily this is not the place for you. Also something along the lines of the only thing off limits is any version of a personal threat. I don't think many of us mind a little name calling even if it childish.

I’d be happy to pin a topic in the future, but for now I’m really just looking for a couple of people to lend the occasional hand. Any suggestions?

[Numark3]

I’ll gladly take the job!  
 

I think we should invite some of our old friends back who left.  Not moderate based on politics.  Respect the mantra that this forum has traditionally self-moderated and has a higher threshold for argumentative posts.  
 

And only moderate on what needs  to be removed: (1) poor-intentioned trolls: and (2) the unacceptable—revealing personal information, pedophilia conspiracies against board members, etc. 

 

we honestly need just a few people to lead by example.  The level of discourse here has really dropped 

 

Edited September 5, 2021 by Crayola64

[snafu]

I think nominations should be made by PM to the board owner and whomever becomes a moderator should be given the option of having a second screen persona, if possible. 
 

[SDS]

10 minutes ago, snafu said:

I think nominations should be made by PM to the board owner and whomever becomes a moderator should be given the option of having a second screen persona, if possible. 
 

if sending me a PM makes people feel more comfortable…

[Chef Jim]

20 hours ago, SDS said:

I'd like to find a handful of people (3?) who are invested in this group that would like to be a moderator and who is supported by the group as a good choice. Feel free to nominate someone. Please refrain from jokes and nonsense. I'd like a serious effort to if anyone fits the bill.

 

With the overriding point that this is first and foremost a Buffalo Bills community, here are some loose expectations:

 

1. Watch for objectionable content. Promotion of violence, etc...
2. Identify over-the-top posters who are here to disrupt and not engage in good faith discussion
3. Note any other general concerns you may have

 

If anyone is interested, and there may not, I think I'd like to try 1-year commitments and then review every year afterwards. Since this isn't season based, Jan 1st is a good time to touch base every year. Anyone willing to step forward now, would go to 12/31/2023.

 

This would be a mostly thankless task, one that I haven't been up to myself for years. Perhaps having some new people lend a helping hand would be a benefit to all. If the choices are less than ideal, we will just keep it the way it is. No hard feelings if I pass on anyone in particular.

 

With that said, is there a group of contributors that would be good in your eyes?

I think this place could use some moderation however there have to be some examples of what constitutes #2 above.  And once that, and other offenses, are determined then there needs to be a well defined and progressive disciplinary system.  
 

Having said that I have no desire to moderate. 😁

[SDS]

40 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I think this place could use some moderation however there have to be some examples of what constitutes #2 above.  And once that, and other offenses, are determined then there needs to be a well defined and progressive disciplinary system.  
 

Having said that I have no desire to moderate. 😁

In my drug filled fantasy, I am looking for three unicorns that are agreeable to the community. I would also like to win the lottery. But I know I can’t win unless I buy a ticket. If you have suggestions, let me know.

[Irv]

I don’t think PPP can be moderated fairly. I notice political bias on the other TBD sections.  Moderators giving out penalty points based on their personal opinions.  It would be even worse here by a factor of 10.  Would destroy PPP and I haven’t noticed a need.  We go at it tooth and nail but nobody has stepped over the line. Solving a problem that doesn’t exist.  
 

 

[Tenhigh]

I think @oldmanfan would be a good mod.  

 

[Governor]

I would just leave it be. Most of us know where the line is and we keep it real most of the time.

 

I’ve only seen a few vicious attacks so far and someone let that person(s) know to chill.

 

if there’s a moderator then half of the news sources would get removed and the entire place would just turn into victimhood/censorship whining.

 

The level of discourse probably went down because American politics is no longer an art form and now resides in the gutter since 2015.

 

Maybe just a moderator to make sure there aren’t physical threats and violence.

[oldmanfan]

8 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

I think @oldmanfan would be a good mod.  

 

I'm too busy right now, but plan to semi-retire in 2022 so I'd consider it then.

[Figster]

Having learned the hard way and having the distinction of being one of the 1st posters ever to be removed from PPP/TBD many years ago. I feel like the forum can be self moderated for the most part IMO. While one person may have given me the boot. The majority of the posters did not like my know it all attitude. I learned 3 valuable lessons that day. 1,  You find the smartest posters posting in PPP. Discussing many topics they have extensive knowledge in and over your head. 2, I clearly don't know it all. 3, and most importantly, I'm an idiot. 

 

Its possible self moderation could work with a scoring system in place based on the amount If negatives on the emoticon select. Positives and negatives cancel out. Go say 10 deep to the negative the post gets removed. Poster does it 10 times the posts are not being received well and he is barred from PPP for 90 days. Getting along with people is one of the most important aspects of general discussion in PPP in my opinion.

 

Always stay humble and kind.

 

Just a thought...

Edited September 6, 2021 by Figster

[dpberr]

Did something happen?

 

I think zealous moderation of PPP would turn it into a vanilla group think which is the antithesis of the forum.

[John Adams]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

Did something happen?

 

I think zealous moderation of PPP would turn it into a vanilla group think which is the antithesis of the forum.

 

There are plenty of forums out there. This doesn't have to be what it has become. It's better since the BillsChan group left but it's still a hole. And yes, I accept the nomination to be all-powerful moderator. 

[dpberr]

23 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

There are plenty of forums out there. This doesn't have to be what it has become. It's better since the BillsChan group left but it's still a hole. And yes, I accept the nomination to be all-powerful moderator. 

 

Yep, you're free to keep visiting them.  No need to worry about this one.

[snafu]

1 hour ago, John Adams said:

 

There are plenty of forums out there. This doesn't have to be what it has become. It's better since the BillsChan group left but it's still a hole. And yes, I accept the nomination to be all-powerful moderator. 

Aren’t you the guy that started the *****-poster thread which pretty much violates the TOS by calling people out directly, instead of limiting your comments to the quality of the post? 

 

[ALF]

Just follow the rules

 

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[Westside]

I think if you ban multiple accounts most of the problems would go away. 

[John Adams]

5 hours ago, snafu said:

Aren’t you the guy that started the *****-poster thread which pretty much violates the TOS by calling people out directly, instead of limiting your comments to the quality of the post? 

 

That thread is dedicated to lack of quality posting and it’s the best thread in the history of ppp.

 

I started MPPPGA!
 

We know that theme won a presidential election. 

[snafu]

37 minutes ago, John Adams said:

That thread is dedicated to lack of quality posting and it’s the best thread in the history of ppp.

 

I started MPPPGA!
 

We know that theme won a presidential election. 

Are you taking credit or accepting shame?

 

 

[SectionC3]

14 hours ago, ALF said:

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If not posting knowingly false information is a litmus test for acceptability, there’s no way a moderator will work here.  That’s sort of the crux of the whole thing here.  We generally dispute what is and what is not the truth.  A sad commentary on the state of affairs applicable to society in general — policy disputes gave way to disinformation and battles not about ideas or principles, but about credibility. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

If not posting knowingly false information is a litmus test for acceptability, there’s no way a moderator will work here.  That’s sort of the crux of the whole thing here.  We generally dispute what is and what is not the truth.  A sad commentary on the state of affairs applicable to society in general — policy disputes gave way to disinformation and battles not about ideas or principles, but about credibility. 

Also no one actually knows what truth is, because this board covers politics, and politicians and their respective media manipulate everything. 
 

i haven’t see  anyone here impartial enough to moderate without bias. 

Edited September 7, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[SectionC3]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Also no one actually knows what truth is, because this board covers politics, and politicians and their respective media manipulate everything. 

That’s not necessarily true.  We have a long-standing scientific dispute here about HCQ that now has broadened to cover Ivermectin.   Those issues are black and white.  I’m sure there are other simmering disputes that fall into that category, too.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

That’s not necessarily true.  We have a long-standing scientific dispute here about HCQ that now has broadened to cover Ivermectin.   Those issues are black and white.  I’m sure there are other simmering disputes that fall into that category, too.  

See that we can’t even agree that politicians lie. 

[snafu]

43 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

i haven’t see  anyone here impartial enough to moderate without bias.

 

Correct.

 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

See that we can’t even agree that politicians lie. 

That wasn’t at issue.  But of course politicians lie.  We just lived through four years of Donald Trump. We’ve lived through Bill Clinton, Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and even Andrew Cuomo.  Now we’re dealing with Kevin McCarthy and his nonsense about how the Insurrection was a rambunctious but peaceful enterprise.  Who lies, and how the lies are communicated, remains in dispute.  But the premise that “politicians lie,” in my view, cannot be disputed at this point in time.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

That wasn’t at issue.  But of course politicians lie.  We just lived through four years of Donald Trump. We’ve lived through Bill Clinton, Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and even Andrew Cuomo.  Now we’re dealing with Kevin McCarthy and his nonsense about how the Insurrection was a rambunctious but peaceful enterprise.  Who lies, and how the lies are communicated, remains in dispute.  But the premise that “politicians lie,” in my view, cannot be disputed at this point in time.  

And also who and what YOU or anyone else believes heavily influences what you think is true or not true. 
 

jan 6 is great example. It ranges in the opinion spectrum from the greatest attack on democracy since Pearl Harbor to a protest. And while one party is trying to minimize it and wash it away the other is doing everything it can to embellish it and keep it atop the headlines. 
 

 

[SectionC3]

17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

And also who and what YOU or anyone else believes heavily influences what you think is true or not true. 
 

jan 6 is great example. It ranges in the opinion spectrum from the greatest attack on democracy since Pearl Harbor to a protest. And while one party is trying to minimize it and wash it away the other is doing everything it can to embellish it and keep it atop the headlines. 
 

 

 

Maybe there is some truth to the first sentence.  People nowadays tend to watch a news network that tells them what they want to hear.  You and I simply can’t agree to the extent you’re in any way justifying what occurred on January 6th.  If you don’t believe that it was an insurrection, then there’s nothing more for us to say to each other on the subject.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

51 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Maybe there is some truth to the first sentence.  People nowadays tend to watch a news network that tells them what they want to hear.  You and I simply can’t agree to the extent you’re in any way justifying what occurred on January 6th.  If you don’t believe that it was an insurrection, then there’s nothing more for us to say to each other on the subject.  

Insurrection by definition is a violent uprising against authority.  That is a fact. Jan 6 meets that definition as does a number of other events in Minnesota and Portland and other places in the past year and a half. I don’t believe any of it is justified.  
 

Nearly as bad are the despicable attempts to leverage political capital from such nationally embarrassing moments by embellishing and deliberately cultivating fear. But the respective flock just fall into line without challenging the narratives. 

[BillStime]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Insurrection by definition is a violent uprising against authority.  That is a fact. Jan 6 meets that definition as does a number of other events in Minnesota and Portland and other places in the past year and a half. I don’t believe any of it is justified.  
 

Nearly as bad are the despicable attempts to leverage political capital from such nationally embarrassing moments by embellishing and deliberately cultivating fear. But the respective flock just fall into line without challenging the narratives. 

Lmao - what a joke.

 

Benghazi called and wants their money back.

[John Adams]

I nominate BillsTime, Big Blitz, B-Man, and Tiberius. 
 

Might as well let PPP be run by the people who dominate it. 

Or SDS can run an algorithm and appoint the top four posters by volume as mods. 
 

Or we could hide the board from site and say even nastier things.