Except for Josh, is Trubisky best QB since Bledsoe?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I'd maybe take Trent Edwards 1st 4 games of the 2008 season.  At least that was entire games and against first stringers.  Even the entire 1st half of that year he looked pretty decent, recall he was starting even get some national props.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

What about me??

 

[Dr.Sack]

Yes he is.

[billsfan89]

Give me Tyrod over Mitch but it is an interesting argument.-

Edited August 22, 2021 by billsfan89

[ColoradoBills]

13 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

One half of one preseason game against a below average team. 

 

All true but he was also the QB ON that below average team.  I think he is a little better than some people give him credit for.

 

[starrymessenger]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

I hope Trubisky doesn't have to play meaningful snaps this year because that means Josh is hurt. But if for some reason he does, then we can have to Frank Reich comparisons as to whom was the better backup. Right now that's all Trubisky is, is a backup. 

Right he’s a backup but in his mind I’m sure he’s a starter in waiting. And the thing is he may have upside as a starter. I’d like to see how he performs in a different system, with better support and a good OC/play-caller. I’d also be curious to see if he was able to improve on the things he struggled with in Chicago e.g throwing to the left side of the field.  Thing is MT is unlikely to see live action much, if at all, to showcase his skills. I guess I’m a little surprised that he didn’t go compete for a starting job somewhere else.

From the Bills perspective there can be little doubt that he represents a massive upgrade to the back up QB position. 

[Teddy KGB]

19 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I think Fitz is better than Mitch.

Nah, Pickspatrick can’t be trusted ever 

5 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Give me Tyrod over Mitch but it is an interesting argument.-

Hell to the naw, Trubisky drove the Bears to a missed GW FG in the playoffs.  
 

Tyrod murdered his own team playing like a scared kitten in his playoff appearance. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Teddy KGB

[Punching Bag]

19 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Yeah Fitz may be a better option as back up. Very close. Fitzy on the Bills, although he played well at times, is not the Fitzy now, who is a great backup. 
 

It’s close. I like Fitzy. So I may choose him. But if, say, in a hypothetical, this year, if you needed a QB to play two games because Josh was hurt, would you rather have Fitzy or Trubisky. I think it’s a tough call. 
 

Normally I may say Fitz. But because the Bills are so deep, you may want the less erratic guy. You may want Matt. 

 

It depends on how badly you need game and opposition strength.  Fitzpatrick has led teams to win games most said they had no chance winning.

Teams need QBs which take chances when needed but not when not needed.

 

Fitzpatrick is a QB who takes chances sometimes making throws detractors say he cannot make but he does. 

He also gets in situations where he should not take chances but does it anyways.

 

Tyrod is a QB who took chances at first, told by coaching staff to not and rely on defense and has been a protect the ball QB since.

 

Trubisky from what I have seen takes more chances than Tyrod but he is neither the leader to inspire or one who makes extraordinary performances.

 

So it is not something cut and dry.

[QCity]

Who says fans overreact to preseason games?

[OZBILLS]

I'd like to say wait until he gets a chance to play a regular season game before making a call but he will be long traded by then

[Beerball]

20 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

And almost Kelly?

 

To me, the only competition is Tyrod. And Tyrod obviously had his limitations. A lot of fans and posters here think that Trubisky is the best back up in the league. Unless you consider Tyrod a starter (and I like Tyrod more than most), that would assume Trubisky is a better option than Taylor. 
 

To me it’s very close. Neither are great. Neither might not be consistently good. But I think if I had to choose, right now, for who I’d rather lead the team if Josh went down, I may say Trubisky. 
 

Which would make him the best Bills QB since Drew Bledsoe. And maybe even Kelly. I think Trubisky would be as good as Bledsoe was at that time in his career.
 

And I don’t really think Trubisky is very good. As a starter, right now, no way. As a backup, hell yes. 

 

 

Jury is still out on Mitchell.  Let's see what a solid NFL organization (still not used to thinking this way about Buffalo) can do for him.  Coaching does matter.  He had a couple bad tosses yesterday, but he did slice and dice the Bears D.  Maybe Matt Nagy is Adam Gase without the googly eyes.

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

20 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

21 hours ago, Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin said:

cmon guys. preseason. wait til week 5 or 6 til we get the hype train on. when its necessary. until then settle down

 

He’s played a lot. 29-21 as starter on Bears is actually fairly impressive. 

21 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

i dont see how these correlate 

 

[wppete]

Yes

[Kelly the Dog]

3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

It depends on how badly you need game and opposition strength.  Fitzpatrick has led teams to win games most said they had no chance winning.

Teams need QBs which take chances when needed but not when not needed.

 

Fitzpatrick is a QB who takes chances sometimes making throws detractors say he cannot make but he does. 

He also gets in situations where he should not take chances but does it anyways.

 

Tyrod is a QB who took chances at first, told by coaching staff to not and rely on defense and has been a protect the ball QB since.

 

Trubisky from what I have seen takes more chances than Tyrod but he is neither the leader to inspire or one who makes extraordinary performances.

 

So it is not something cut and dry.

All true. But the Bills are in a unique situation. They have a stacked roster. In previous years you would choose Fitz because he always has the chance of elevating the players around him in his gambling style. That’s the opposite of what we need even though Josh is a gambler himself. 
 

if Josh goes down for a couple games our best bet IMO is exactly how Trubisky played against the Bears. Making the right reads and throws and letting playmakers make plays. Not a riverboat gambler like Fitz. Bad teams need Fitzy not good teams. 

[78thealltimegreat]

On 8/22/2021 at 1:03 AM, Kelly the Dog said:

EJ hadn’t played 50 games in the NFL. No one thought EJ was a great prospect. Not a chance his talent was a #2 overall.  EJ was a decent prospect, probably 2nd round talent, that few ever become franchise guys. Trubisky was a far better prospect than EJ. Not really close. 

There is an enormous difference between Trubisky and Peterman, who shouldn’t even be in the league. 

Well the Raiders disagree with you about Pederman apparently…See you don’t remember EJs play prior to his ACL tear against the Browns he was really playing well and Mitch wasn’t wanted by anyone in this league and he even said that was a reason he came here the Bills actually wanted him as the league looked at him as another first round qb bust…this is more a credit to the Bills culture and building Mitch’s confidence again 

[Mrbojanglezs]

regardless of where he ranks lets just hope he never has to play

[dave mcbride]

On 8/21/2021 at 11:56 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

He’s played a lot. 29-21 as starter on Bears is actually fairly impressive. 

Yeah Bledsoe was pretty shot when he was here. Had one half of good season with two good WR. Then sucked. Tyrod was better. 

Take out the 2018 season when the Bears had the best defense in the league BY FAR, and he's .500. They were 20th in offensive DVOA that season but first in defensive DVOA. They were also first in points allowed and turnovers forced. 

 

In 2019, the Bears D was fourth in points allowed and 8th in yards allowed, but the offense was 29th in both points and yardage. In 2020, the D was also significantly better than the offense (14th and 11th vs. 22nd and 26th).  

 

I think he's probably the best since Bledsoe, who for all of his many flaws and poor performances did have a legit good season in 2002. Tyrod Taylor has a case, however. As for "since Kelly," Trubisky is most certainly not better than Flutie was from 1998-2000 (22-8 as a starter and one of those straws that stirs drinks). Not even close.  

Edited August 23, 2021 by dave mcbride

[dave mcbride]

On 8/22/2021 at 5:12 AM, GunnerBill said:

I'd have Fitz ahead of him but it's close.

Fitz is a better player now than when he was on the Bills. Just too many picks thrown when he was in a Bills uniform. 64 picks in 53 games. 

On 8/22/2021 at 12:30 AM, Bob in STL said:

One half of one preseason game against a below average team. 

Actually, they have an above average defense by every measure. The bigger issue is "preseason." 

[freddyjj]

On 8/21/2021 at 11:40 PM, ScottLaw said:

.. Bledsoe had 8 good games and then was abysmal. His 2013 season was amazingly awful. 

Maybe because if he did play in 2013 he would have been 41 years old.   Believe you mean 2003 season.  

 

Although it is amazing how washed up Bledsoe was at 31.   Brady has shown the move to him was warranted whether it was 2001, 2011 or 2021.   Bledsoe was done in NFL  after 2006 at age 34.  TB12 is still going at age 44.  Amazing.