The Patriot QB's suck 🤣🤣

[Ghost_002!]

5 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Your recent posting history (Since May 10) says that you have only participated in Patriots threads.  So... are you here to talk football or defend Pats in June?

 

 

I have been here for maybe over a year, and i have also been in the political  forums discussing current events as well. And talking Pats isn't talking football? 

[YattaOkasan]

8 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

I have been here for maybe over a year, and i have also been in the political  forums discussing current events as well. And talking Pats isn't talking football? 

Like i said recent posting history.  Seems youre rather defensive about how much we talk about the Pats is all.  Are you not concerned about the QB player this year?  This seems to be by far your weakest position group.

Edited June 15, 2021 by YattaOkasan

[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

Like i said recent posting history.  Seems youre rather defensive about how much we talk about the Pats is all.  Are you not concerned about the QB player this year?  This seems to be by far your weakest position group.

 

What in my statements are not true. Is it not Jun, are there not 3 Pats threads up? So you guys can comment but I can't? U guys are having "fun" but if i turn around and contribute to the thread i am being "sensitive or defensive"?

 

 I don't want Cam as a QB i have said that before and i wanted fields over Jones also said that, but here in Jun I am not going to stress over what is happening at a mini camp while players are just in helmets and shorts. That's called overreacting, and I 'm not wired that way. 

Edited June 15, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[YattaOkasan]

35 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

What in my statements are not true. Is it not Jun, are there not 3 Pats threads up? So you guys can comment but I can't? U guys are having "fun" but if i turn around and contribute to the thread i am being "sensitive or defensive"?

 

 I don't want Cam as a QB i have said that before and i wanted fields over Jones also said that, but here in Jun I am not going to stress over what is happening at a mini camp while players are just in helmets and shorts. That's called overreacting, and I 'm not wired that way. 

It was more the comment itself indicated some level of concern (otherwise let it be and comment on the topic)

 

Yeah Cam is not gonna be the answer, and I am very happy yall didnt get Fields.  I think you can be worried about your QB position with this being preliminary data to support those fears.  If I see dawson knox dropping balls im gonna be worried.  Star didnt show up and i was worried.  You dont have to be too concerned, but it is early evidence that the concerns are real.

[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

It was more the comment itself indicated some level of concern (otherwise let it be and comment on the topic)

 

Yeah Cam is not gonna be the answer, and I am very happy yall didnt get Fields.  I think you can be worried about your QB position with this being preliminary data to support those fears.  If I see dawson knox dropping balls im gonna be worried.  Star didnt show up and i was worried.  You dont have to be too concerned, but it is early evidence that the concerns are real.

 

 

for me again it's June, not thinking Newton will do better than what is already seen. I think he is toasted, but I am not concern because i have no idea what is going to happened. I still believe in the coaching staff and the head coach has proven to squeeze blood from a rock on many occasions. More than others have,  and their roster is better. What is not being talked about is their defense is going to be solid. Something that wasn't last year. I think that will factor in a lot for them. 

Edited June 15, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[P Riv]

14 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

for me again it's June, not thinking Newton will do better than what is already seen. I think he is toasted, but I am not concern because i have no idea what is going to happened. I still believe in the coaching staff and the head coach has proven to squeeze blood from a rock on many occasions. More than others have,  and their roster is better. What is not being talked about is their defense is going to be solid. Something that wasn't last year. I think that will factor in a lot for them. 

 

In spite of being 7-9 last year and seemingly giving up at the end of the season they still had the #7 scoring defense.  They added a ton of talent and will likely crack the top 5 in scoring defense.

All they need is a game manager.  Can Newton throw deep?  Nope... Can he run, stand tall in the pocket, lead the team?  yes.  

I'm not dismissing them, their going to be a tough out.  

As usual, in a competitive league, injuries will dictate the fortunes of many teams.  I don't expect that dynamic duo of TE's to be available even half the time and WR looks thin for them too.  O line might be an issue too, so it looks like some of the same stuff as last year.  They will be a better version of what they were last year and won't be able to do anything but play a ball control, mistake free type of tight game.  If they get behind early, its over.  2nd tier behind the big boys in the Conf.  

[Nuncha]

On 6/15/2021 at 7:28 AM, YoloinOhio said:

Sounds like a good one to save for the Excuse Thread

Ever hear of sarcasm?  Everyone pretty much knows the Patriot QBs suck.  Cam proved it over and over last season, and who do they have behind him?  Brian Hoyer?

Edited June 16, 2021 by Azucho98

[YattaOkasan]

15 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

for me again it's June, not thinking Newton will do better than what is already seen. I think he is toasted, but I am not concern because i have no idea what is going to happened. I still believe in the coaching staff and the head coach has proven to squeeze blood from a rock on many occasions. More than others have,  and their roster is better. What is not being talked about is their defense is going to be solid. Something that wasn't last year. I think that will factor in a lot for them. 

You don't have any concerns on what your team weaknesses will be?  I do think the coin has flipped; yall have some serious Billeive syndrome.  

 

I agree coaching staff is your best reason for hope and will likely continue to be a strength.  I'm all over on the defense.  Secondary is obviously great but is motivation a concern (starting McCourty over Jackson was sorta immature and Gilmore is already holding out).  I think MLB will be a weakness, but the 5 that play the line look good.  Patricia will help.  Offensively its OL and TE and the rest of the skill positions dont concern me.

 

Overall game script will be important, and if you fall behind more than a TD that could be trouble.  Youre decently set up to compete with teams that are focused on the pass (both offensively and defensively), but you may have trouble with teams that are strong in rush (both offensively and defensively).  Honestly wouldnt be totally shocked if you beat the Bills but lost to the Jets.  

[Ghost_002!]

3 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

You don't have any concerns on what your team weaknesses will be?  I do think the coin has flipped; yall have some serious Billeive syndrome.  

 

I agree coaching staff is your best reason for hope and will likely continue to be a strength.  I'm all over on the defense.  Secondary is obviously great but is motivation a concern (starting McCourty over Jackson was sorta immature and Gilmore is already holding out).  I think MLB will be a weakness, but the 5 that play the line look good.  Patricia will help.  Offensively its OL and TE and the rest of the skill positions dont concern me.

 

Overall game script will be important, and if you fall behind more than a TD that could be trouble.  Youre decently set up to compete with teams that are focused on the pass (both offensively and defensively), but you may have trouble with teams that are strong in rush (both offensively and defensively).  Honestly wouldnt be totally shocked if you beat the Bills but lost to the Jets.  

 

Too earlier to know what the weaknesses could be or will be this season, again we are in June And what do you mean by "Billeive syndrome"? 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Captain Hindsight]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Dee Virgin, poor kid

[Jauronimo]

38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

It was such a bad throw that no one even saw who intercepted it?  Thats horrible.

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

Too earlier to know what the weaknesses could be or will be this season, again we are in June And what do you mean by "Billeive syndrome"? 

 

 

 

You had this line "I think he is toasted, but I am not concern because i have no idea what is going to happened." That sounded a lot like what Bills fans would say about our teams in the offseason for problems we could/should see coming. 

 

I don't think its too early to know what weaknesses could be.  Until they play at all we wont necessarily know what the weaknesses will be.  I do think about what are the most likely way teams fail.  For one example with the Bills, I'm worried Star is not gonna play well and Dirty Harry will not take the step this year (2 ACLs blown out now) which results in sub par play from our iDL.  This would affect Ed Oliver and Tremaine's development, and ultimately continue to be a "problem" for the team in run defense.  Star was not at voluntary OTAs so that was some data to suggest that these fears could be realized, but as you said its too early to tell.  Hes in the building now and Harry looks absolutely jacked so I'm less concerned.  Still don't mind thinking about how we could end up not meeting our goals which is pretty obviously making it to the super bowl.  Maybe this again speaks to state of franchises with the Bills fans thinking about this type of stuff, and Pats fans dont need to.      

[Ghost_002!]

46 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

You had this line "I think he is toasted, but I am not concern because i have no idea what is going to happened." That sounded a lot like what Bills fans would say about our teams in the offseason for problems we could/should see coming. 

 

I don't think its too early to know what weaknesses could be.  Until they play at all we wont necessarily know what the weaknesses will be.  I do think about what are the most likely way teams fail.  For one example with the Bills, I'm worried Star is not gonna play well and Dirty Harry will not take the step this year (2 ACLs blown out now) which results in sub par play from our iDL.  This would affect Ed Oliver and Tremaine's development, and ultimately continue to be a "problem" for the team in run defense.  Star was not at voluntary OTAs so that was some data to suggest that these fears could be realized, but as you said its too early to tell.  Hes in the building now and Harry looks absolutely jacked so I'm less concerned.  Still don't mind thinking about how we could end up not meeting our goals which is pretty obviously making it to the super bowl.  Maybe this again speaks to state of franchises with the Bills fans thinking about this type of stuff, and Pats fans dont need to.      

 

Well that is the difference i guess on how we view things. Everything is NEVER how It's reported and nothing is ever what it's indicated to be once the actual season starts for a number a reasons.

 

Case and point. Josh Allen for his first season and a half was looked at as a glorified running back with no accuracy. Fast-forward to now, he seems to be much more than that. So what should i had believed, him looking like crap for the beginning his career or we shouldn't start jumping to conclusion at every given moment. I don't "drink the water" so to speak and I have enough data to believe what i believe about the coaching staff they have proven it. If they were able to drum up 7 wins last year with that horrible squad, I am sure they will figure what will work for them for the up and coming season. 

Edited June 16, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[DJB]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

[YattaOkasan]

26 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

Well that is the difference i guess on how we view things. Everything is NEVER how It's reported and nothing is ever what it's indicated to be once the actually season starts for a number a reasons. case in point. Josh Allen for his first season and a half was looked at as a glorified running back with no accuracy. Fast-forward to now, he seems to be much more than that. So what should of have believed, him looking like crap for the beginning his career we shouldn't start jumping to conclusion at every given moment. I don't "drink the water" so to speak and I have enough data to believe what i believe about the coaching staff they have proven it. If they were able to drum up 7 wins last year with that horrible squad, I am sure they will figure what will work for them for the up and coming season. 

On Allen I would say there was plenty of evidence even in last years weird offseason that he had managed to change his throwing mechanics.  Content creators were pouring over every rep they could to see it.  I saw whole write ups to videos from his time with Diggs in Florida where there was focus on his "eating the cheeseburger."  So I went into the offseason hopeful that Josh would continue to improve based off previous years and was super excited to see some data to confirm the improvement happened.  These are small data sets and maybe not entirely relevant data sets (a huge lesson from Josh Allen draft grade), but it is some that can be used if youre aware of the first two caveats.

 

https://www.cover1.net/taming-josh-allens-arm-how-mechanical-tweaks-have-buffalos-qb-primed-for-a-year-3-leap/

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 6/14/2021 at 6:14 PM, qwksilver said:

I can't see how Jones doesn't start the year, wasn't he the "most ready" QB in the draft? Newton looks like a shell of himself. He needs to retire or do the Teebow thing and try TE.

 

 

I think Mac Jones is the most "interesting" of all the NFL draftees this year.

 

Is he totally crumble under defensive pressure on he retains his Alabama magic as the world's most accurate passer, i could see either scenario.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think Mac Jones is the most "interesting" of all the NFL draftees this year.

 

Is he totally crumble under defensive pressure on he retains his Alabama magic as the world's most accurate passer, i could see either scenario.

Jones was accurate but Fields was the more accurate passer

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Jones was accurate but Fields was the more accurate passer

 

 

I was using hyperbole to empathize my point, I think i realize he was not the "world"s most accurate" passer.

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

I was using hyperbole to empathize my point, I think i realize he was not the "world"s most accurate" passer.

Ah I see (though he is pretty accurate in an Andy dalton type of way)

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ah I see (though he is pretty accurate in an Andy dalton type of way)

Andy Dalton?   Dalton in college or pros  never had a completion percentage even close to what Jones had at Alabama.

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Andy Dalton?   Dalton in college or pros  never had a completion percentage even close to what Jones had at Alabama.

Pick someone else then who throws a lot of screen passes?

https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2021/03/15/the-not-so-curious-case-of-mac-jones/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

Edited June 16, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Ghost_002!]

36 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

On Allen I would say there was plenty of evidence even in last years weird offseason that he had managed to change his throwing mechanics.  Content creators were pouring over every rep they could to see it.  I saw whole write ups to videos from his time with Diggs in Florida where there was focus on his "eating the cheeseburger."  So I went into the offseason hopeful that Josh would continue to improve based off previous years and was super excited to see some data to confirm the improvement happened.  These are small data sets and maybe not entirely relevant data sets (a huge lesson from Josh Allen draft grade), but it is some that can be used if youre aware of the first two caveats.

 

https://www.cover1.net/taming-josh-allens-arm-how-mechanical-tweaks-have-buffalos-qb-primed-for-a-year-3-leap/

 

 

Yea my example of Josh Allen was just how everyone outside of buffalo viewed him and it was on a show and prove bases. I understand of course from a fans stand point you would be more invested to looking closer at Josh Allen. But that was how Allen was viewed until he could prove otherwise. so back to my point he didnt start off playing like how he played last season. So I dont get bothered by what is reported either bad or good by any team during mini camps.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yea my example of Josh Allen was just how everyone outside of buffalo viewed him and it was on a show and prove bases. I understand of course from a fans stand point you would be more invested to looking closer at Josh Allen. But that was how Allen was viewed until he could prove otherwise. so back to my point he didnt start off playing like how he played last season. So I dont get bothered by what is reported either bad or good by any team during mini camps.

 

The only news is about Mini Camp because that is what is happening now.  Maybe just take the summer off and come back when it's time for

you to have newsworthy comments.  In the meantime some of us like to check in on what is happening and discuss.

 

Personally if I was a Pats* fan I would be "concerned" about the QB position and would want to know how it looks early in the summer.

[Ghost_002!]

On 6/16/2021 at 4:32 PM, ColoradoBills said:

 

The only news is about Mini Camp because that is what is happening now.  Maybe just take the summer off and come back when it's time for

you to have newsworthy comments.  In the meantime some of us like to check in on what is happening and discuss.

 

Personally if I was a Pats* fan I would be "concerned" about the QB position and would want to know how it looks early in the summer.

 

 

Yea see the things is. I am gonna post whenever I feel like. So tough if u don't like what I have to say.

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yea see the things is. I am gonna post whenever I feel like. So tough if u don't like what I have to say.

 

My comment was not spiteful.  I was just saying if you don't think any "news" at this time of year is relevant then why would you need to comment.

You do what you got to do.  Posy away!

[Ghost_002!]

10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

My comment was not spiteful.  I was just saying if you don't think any "news" at this time of year is relevant then why would you need to comment.

You do what you got to do.  Posy away!

 

 

My original post or statement was true. It had nothing to do w commenting on training camps in general 

 

Then when asked, i said i just don't start jumping to conclusions off of news here in june. I like to wait knowing there is a process for teams n players to get ready.

[P Riv]

4 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

My original post or statement was true. It had nothing to do w commenting on training camps in general 

 

Then when asked, i said i just don't start jumping to conclusions off of news here in june. I like to wait knowing there is a process for teams n players to get ready.

 

You're a Pats fan on a Bills board, expect random hostility.  

[Rocky Landing]

5 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yea see the things is. I am gonna post whenever I feel like. So tough if u don't like what I have to say.

This, like many of your posts, is really just gas-lighting.

 

[CommonCents]

On 6/16/2021 at 4:32 PM, ColoradoBills said:

 

The only news is about Mini Camp because that is what is happening now.  Maybe just take the summer off and come back when it's time for

you to have newsworthy comments.  In the meantime some of us like to check in on what is happening and discuss.

 

Personally if I was a Pats* fan I would be "concerned" about the QB position and would want to know how it looks early in the summer.

Save the Pat’s fans some time.

 

Yes, Cam’s shoulder is really toast and his throwing motion is now worse than Tim Tebow’s. 

 

Jones isn’t good enough to take the job to start the season because BB will put his confidence in a vet and his defense. 

 

[BigAl2526]

I have seen media headlines suggesting "Cam Newton is back."  I also note that Josh Allen's last practice of mine-camp was pretty bad.  I don't put much weight on any of that, but neither do I put much weight on a 22 second video clip of a Patriots' practice.

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

I have seen media headlines suggesting "Cam Newton is back."  I also note that Josh Allen's last practice of mine-camp was pretty bad.  I don't put much weight on any of that, but neither do I put much weight on a 22 second video clip of a Patriots' practice.

Weight?… no

Schadenfreude?… why not?

[P Riv]

According to this board Newton can't hit the broad side of a barn, but he actually completed almost 66% of his passes last year.  

I know 13-3 is our floor and 7-9 is their ceiling right?  lol, gotta love June.  

[TBBills]

12 minutes ago, P Riv said:

According to this board Newton can't hit the broad side of a barn, but he actually completed almost 66% of his passes last year.  

I know 13-3 is our floor and 7-9 is their ceiling right?  lol, gotta love June.  

Well when you only throw 368 passes you can easily have a better completion percentage. 

 

For comparison Josh threw 572 over the same time for 69%. 

Edited June 20, 2021 by TBBills

[P Riv]

10 hours ago, TBBills said:

Well when you only throw 368 passes you can easily have a better completion percentage. 

 

For comparison Josh threw 572 over the same time for 69%. 

 

Granted, Josh is the man, but thats not the point.  Point being that Newton is not as bad as people are saying here and that team isn't going to be the same one we saw last year.  The Homers as usual are all upside for us and all downside for them as they convince each other that we're entitled now.  I'm not buying any of it, we have Allen and Diggs, otherwise they have the better roster overall.  I don't think the team will take them lightly, its just a thing around here with our fanbase.  

We put them down last year which makes this a critical year to see if we can keep them down and gain a psychological edge going forward.  If they split with us I think thats a major lost opportunity.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 6/14/2021 at 6:13 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Was last year not convincing enough? 

 

I suppose the thinking was that he would do more rehab and have his throwing motion mapped and improve?

On 6/15/2021 at 2:25 PM, Ghost_002! said:

 

What in my statements are not true. Is it not Jun, are there not 3 Pats threads up?

 

 

I haven't counted (maybe I should get my pruning sheers and Go)

 

But it's the off-season

 

We have a thread about our QB's puppy where we're arguing about the meaning behind her name and whether or not her breed exists.

[PatsFanNH]

On 6/14/2021 at 6:00 PM, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

You can’t judge anyone off the first few practices.  Cams arm is shot IMO, but Jones looked good most of camp and more importantly shows the fire as he got mad at himself when he screwed up, which all rookies do.. (screw up that is)

 

I will hold judgement on Jones till at least next year… he has the smarts to play QB and well he will have one of the best O lines protecting him when he finally does start.  They actually built this team to his strengths and not Cam’s.  
 

but weird you judge QBs based off of work done in shorts.. FYI  Hoyer looked like a God in shorts when he first started.. 

On 6/16/2021 at 3:59 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Pick someone else then who throws a lot of screen passes?

https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2021/03/15/the-not-so-curious-case-of-mac-jones/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

Weird thing is ALL of the WR played with Jones and Tua have said Jones was better..    ive watched Jones videos now and he has good pocket presence, he makes quick reads, and always seems to make the right decision where to go with the ball.. now will it translate to the pros? No idea, but I like his chances better than say the Jets QB, heck I think he has a better chance than the Chicago rookie just because he is going to a coach that made bad QBs look good. (Jimmy G, etc)

[PatsFanNH]

On 6/19/2021 at 9:35 AM, CommonCents said:

Save the Pat’s fans some time.

 

Yes, Cam’s shoulder is really toast and his throwing motion is now worse than Tim Tebow’s. 

 

Jones isn’t good enough to take the job to start the season because BB will put his confidence in a vet and his defense. 

 

Correction— he is NOT wanting Jones to face Brady and have the kid hear the hype all week of  “Brady v Jones” crap. 
 

You are right he built the D to lead the team and IF Jones wins the competition expect a playbook similar to 2001 Pats. Safe throws, lots of running.. just don’t make mistakes and let the D win games.. will it work? I think they win 10 to 11 games that way… I think the D be that good as long as the O doesn’t screw up 

[P Riv]

10 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Correction— he is NOT wanting Jones to face Brady and have the kid hear the hype all week of  “Brady v Jones” crap. 
 

You are right he built the D to lead the team and IF Jones wins the competition expect a playbook similar to 2001 Pats. Safe throws, lots of running.. just don’t make mistakes and let the D win games.. will it work? I think they win 10 to 11 games that way… I think the D be that good as long as the O doesn’t screw up 

 

This sounds just about spot on for June.  Injuries will change and dictate the actual narrative, just like it does every year.  I think they will have a top 5 scoring Defense, struggles at QB and injury issues at TE and OL.

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, P Riv said:

 

This sounds just about spot on for June.  Injuries will change and dictate the actual narrative, just like it does every year.  I think they will have a top 5 scoring Defense, struggles at QB and injury issues at TE and OL.

They are deep in OL probably the deepest group on the team.  I am HOPING by the end of the year I am either shocked at how well Newton has played, or am seeing positive movement from Jones.. I don’t expect to win the East this year it will still be the Bills division.. I am hoping they improve enough be #2 and maybe a wildcard team.  Team still has holes on O, like they don’t have a true #1 receiver, and no real elite WR, I still think Jacoby Meyers is the best of the lot.