Weatherman Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 If Richardson were willing to sign for 1yr / $3.3M, which is the cap savings from cutting Butler, would you make this move? Are there any other players you would consider cutting to make room to sign an FA? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronthebaron Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Didn’t Butler restructure? So there wouldn’t be any cap savings from cutting him, might even have a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aaronthebaron said: Didn’t Butler restructure? So there wouldn’t be any cap savings from cutting him, might even have a penalty. Yes he took less money not a typical restructure. According to online resources it’s a $3.3M cap savings to cut him or $4M to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Not enough of an upgrade to justify screwing a guy who took less money to stay. I know it's a business, but it's still a business amongst human beings, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: Not enough of an upgrade to justify screwing a guy who took less money to stay. I know it's a business, but it's still a business amongst human beings, right? Completely agree, optics matter, that would send a terrible message to future FAs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Weatherman said: According to online resources.... As opposed to what? Going to the library and searching the card catalog? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I think someone posted earlier that Richardson is a process guy..That is why he was traded by the Jets and let go by the Seahawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: Not enough of an upgrade to justify screwing a guy who took less money to stay. I know it's a business, but it's still a business amongst human beings, right? I believe the terminology Brandon Beane uses is it’s a “people driven business.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I seriously doubt anything substantive happens at this point. Possibly post June 1 some guy who is older for depth, but not much else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Weatherman said: If Richardson were willing to sign for 1yr / $3.3M, which is the cap savings from cutting Butler, would you make this move? Are there any other players you would consider cutting to make room to sign an FA? Richardson is a 3T. He’s a very good locker room presence. As a player he is definitely starting caliber and I expect he eventually gets paid that way. While he might not have been worth the $12.3M he was due, there is a slim to no chance he plays for $3.3M. Also people make a good point about not screwing over a player that just reworked his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 If they pick up a DT at this point it would be on the cheap and that person would fight for a job .. Butler could be cut after training camp if beaten out. That is the process. If they bring in a DT it is more likely to be Kawann Short as he checks all the boxes .. knew Beane, knew McDermott, process guy, was Carolina Panther, lived in the Tar Heel State, would likely sign a prove it deal, knows the words to the Panthers fight song, and knows the best restaurants in Charlotte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Weatherman said: If Richardson were willing to sign for 1yr / $3.3M, which is the cap savings from cutting Butler, would you make this move? Are there any other players you would consider cutting to make room to sign an FA? If it can be done (never underestimate the Beane counter) & it's a good deal for the Bills and could have better results for the move Beane will be all over it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: I seriously doubt anything substantive happens at this point. Possibly post June 1 some guy who is older for depth, but not much else. Isn't the whole June 1 cut timing not really a big deal anymore because of the optional June 1 designation that is now permitted regardless of when a player is cut? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Richardson is a 3T. He’s a very good locker room presence. As a player he is definitely starting caliber and I expect he eventually gets paid that way. While he might not have been worth the $12.3M he was due, there is a slim to no chance he plays for $3.3M. Also people make a good point about not screwing over a player that just reworked his deal. Problem is not many teams have the cap to pay him, which is partly why he has not been picked up since being released. Taking a guess, if he plays in 2021 it will be in the $3-5M range on a 1yr deal. Something that should also be noted is that Richardson played 70% of the snaps in the browns system while Butler has averaged less that 40% the last 2 years. Edited May 25, 2021 by Weatherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Weatherman said: Problem is not many teams have the cap to pay him, which is partly why he has not been picked up since being released. Taking a guess, if he plays in 2021 it will be in the $3-5M range on a 1yr deal. I think he’s waiting for an injury on a competitive team. He can sign a multi year deal (even a true 1 year deal with voidable years) structured to pay him well this season and spread the hit. I don’t see him playing for $3M. Maybe around $5M for the correct team, but he’d have gotten more than that from the Browns. That might be a pride thing though and that ship looks to have sailed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Weatherman said: If Richardson were willing to sign for 1yr / $3.3M, which is the cap savings from cutting Butler, would you make this move? Are there any other players you would consider cutting to make room to sign an FA? Richardson comes across as a guy who puts himself before the team and I can't see that fitting in with what we've built here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, The Jokeman said: Richardson comes across as a guy who puts himself before the team and I can't see that fitting in with what we've built here. That could not be further from the truth. He was very much a team first leader on the Browns. Most fans thought he’d be retained due to that more so than his play - which was good, just not in line with the $12.3M he was set to make. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Richardson comes across as a guy who puts himself before the team and I can't see that fitting in with what we've built here. Maybe, but then again players seem to thrive under McDermott leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 There is always a chance that the front office might trade away someone in order to pick up someone that could improve the team. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibilities. Won't necessarily be a DT for a DT, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That could not be further from the truth. He was very much a team first leader on the Browns. Most fans thought he’d be retained due to that more so than his play - which was good, just not in line with the $12.3M he was set to make. Agree it was 100% a salary cap move. The guy was an important player for the Browns last year as evident by his onfield %. I remember he had some issues with the Jets, but who hasn’t? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: Not enough of an upgrade to justify screwing a guy who took less money to stay. I know it's a business, but it's still a business amongst human beings, right? Normally I would agree with this , but (now days) when jobs are in the line ( front office) those human beings ( players ) are just numbers to them Edited May 25, 2021 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Weatherman said: If Richardson were willing to sign for 1yr / $3.3M, which is the cap savings from cutting Butler, would you make this move? Are there any other players you would consider cutting to make room to sign an FA? I watched quite a few CLE games and he seemed like decent rotational guy. He's a guaranteed 4-5 sacks a year. Maybe I was used to watching him ball out as a Jet so I'm rating him higher than I really should. Unfortunately, he's not really the type of space eating DT we need. From what I remember he's more of 3T penetrator and can line up @ defensive end in certain packages. After doing a little research I see that he was a part of some top defenses against the run. Competition is always good in training camp (if we have a training camp.) At age 30, I feel like he still has gas in the tank and will have no problem if Buffalo goes that route, although I seriously doubt it. 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Richardson comes across as a guy who puts himself before the team and I can't see that fitting in with what we've built here. What made you come this conclusion? I'm not challenging you, I'm genuinely curious. I've never known him to be a cancerous locker room presence or even a slight diva. Edited May 25, 2021 by ChronicAndKnuckles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 We got Oliver, Boogie, Rousseau, Star, Phillips, Zimmer, Butler etc. How many IDL do we need? Since our budget is tight, I think Zach Ertz or maybe a solid CB2 should be where our money goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 hours ago, BornAgainBillsFan said: Not enough of an upgrade to justify screwing a guy who took less money to stay. I know it's a business, but it's still a business amongst human beings, right? And also sends a horrible message through the locker room. Also, future restructures or reductions may be more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I watched quite a few CLE games and he seemed like decent rotational guy. He's a guaranteed 4-5 sacks a year. Maybe I was used to watching him ball out as a Jet so I'm rating him higher than I really should. Unfortunately, he's not really the type of space eating DT we need. From what I remember he's more of 3T penetrator and can line up @ defensive end in certain packages. After doing a little research I see that he was a part of some top defenses against the run. Competition is always good in training camp (if we have a training camp.) At age 30, I feel like he still has gas in the tank and will have no problem if Buffalo goes that route, although I seriously doubt it. What made you come this conclusion? I'm not challenging you, I'm genuinely curious. I've never known him to be a cancerous locker room presence or even a slight diva. Just the way he hops from team to team and some of the things that came out when he was a Jet is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Victory Formation said: We got Oliver, Boogie, Rousseau, Star, Phillips, Zimmer, Butler etc. How many IDL do we need? Since our budget is tight, I think Zach Ertz or maybe a solid CB2 should be where our money goes. What did you not understand about the stipulation of cutting Butler to use the $ on Richardson. A $0 net change was clearly included in the original discussion. 2 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Just the way he hops from team to team and some of the things that came out when he was a Jet is all. He’s been with 2 teams and is 30 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Weatherman said: 2 hours ago, Victory Formation said: What did you not understand about the stipulation of cutting Butler to use the $ on Richardson. A $0 net change was clearly included in the original discussion. 2 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Where will Butler even be on the depth chart? Do you really want Richardson to take away snaps from Boogie and Rousseau? Why spend that money on another DT instead of Ertz or a CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Where will Butler even be on the depth chart? Do you really want Richardson to take away snaps from Boogie and Rousseau? Why spend that money on another DT instead of Ertz or a CB? Dude....Butler would be cut! Richardson would fill in as one of the starting DT. Richardson can play DE as some posters alluded too but why do you think he would take snaps away from rookie DEs when he’s a DT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 13 hours ago, Weatherman said: Yes he took less money not a typical restructure. According to online resources it’s a $3.3M cap savings to cut him or $4M to trade him. $4M sounds like a great downpayment on Ertz. Butler and a 7th for Ertz makes more sense than what Barnwell came up with. Move money out of the overpriced DL and into the bargain bin TE group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Weatherman said: Dude....Butler would be cut! Richardson would fill in as one of the starting DT. Richardson can play DE as some posters alluded too but why do you think he would take snaps away from rookie DEs when he’s a DT? Cuz Rousseau and Boogie will see a ton of snaps at 1T. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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