Updated (Hendrickson gone) crap load of teams in on Samuel

[Reed83HOF]

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Reed83HOF

[Rico]

"Damn straight!"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

I have a quiet interest in Trey Hendrickson for the Bills.

 

But I'm pretty sure we can't afford to get into a bidding war

[Logic]

It's been fun watching New England overpay for mid tier FAs today.

Now it's going to be fun to watch the Jets do the same.

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have a quiet interest in Trey Hendrickson for the Bills.

 

But I'm pretty sure we can't afford to get into a bidding war

I want Samuel and Lawson...

 

Beane won't get into a bidding war, he sets his limits, looks for fit and is not really a day 1 guy. But I do wonder if he will push some chips in and make a "good" move. Just seems like the time...

[Logic]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

I want Samuel and Lawson...

 

Beane won't get into a bidding war, he sets his limits, looks for fit and is not really a day 1 guy. But I do wonder if he will push some chips in and make a "good" move. Just seems like the time...

This year -- maybe more than any other year in recent memory -- is the year to wait out the early, "funny money" portion of free agency.

There are going to be a whole lot of productive veteran players left looking for 1-year deals, many of whom will prioritize going to a contender.

I have no doubt that Beane will sit patiently until the bargains come around, and will have us all shaking our heads and calling him a wizard again in no time.

[Logic]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Well...the Bills did the same last year....

Can't argue with that.

They wound up going 13-3 against a really hard schedule and coming within a game of the Super Bowl, though. We'll see if things work out as well for the Pats and Jets.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Logic

[4thandGoal]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

It's been fun watching New England overpay for mid tier FAs today.

Now it's going to be fun to watch the Jets do the same.

Patriots are doing a good job... Might be overpaying but they are getting needed pieces to gain a few more wins  AND they have the money. Their defense will be stacked-- and didnt the Bills overpay with Addison , Jefferson and Butler last year? 

[Weatherman]

1 minute ago, 4thandGoal said:

Patriots are doing a good job... Might be overpaying but they are getting needed pieces to gain a few more wins  AND they have the money. Their defense will be stacked-- and didnt the Bills overpay with Addison , Jefferson and Butler last year? 

Yes the Bills did overpay and it did not pay dividends which is what I hope for NE.  

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said:

Patriots are doing a good job... Might be overpaying but they are getting needed pieces to gain a few more wins  AND they have the money. Their defense will be stacked-- and didnt the Bills overpay with Addison , Jefferson and Butler last year? 

We'll have to agree to disagree that the Pats are doing a good job today.

They're paying $48 million combined for Kendrick Bourne and Nelson Agholor, for starters. That's insanity.

Every year there's a runaway "free agency winner", and veeerrrry rarely do that team's free agency contracts wind up looking smart/worthwhile in retrospect.

Frankly, the Pats are spending like the drought era Bills. Big flashy moves for top-of-the-ticket free agents. Color me unimpressed.

 

[HOUSE]

Whispers & Nuggets? 

 

 

[Rocket94]

12 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I want Samuel and Lawson...

 

Beane won't get into a bidding war, he sets his limits, looks for fit and is not really a day 1 guy. But I do wonder if he will push some chips in and make a "good" move. Just seems like the time...

Samuel would be awesome. 

[Process]

Samuel was high on my wish list. If agholor and davis are getting $13M per, and a bunch of teams are going after samuel, I guess we can take him off it. But maybe Beane can work some magic. 

 

He's be such a good fit for us. 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Process

[ganesh]

57 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I want Samuel and Lawson...

 

Beane won't get into a bidding war, he sets his limits, looks for fit and is not really a day 1 guy. But I do wonder if he will push some chips in and make a "good" move. Just seems like the time...

we did over pay for Jefferson, Addison and Butler last off season on day 1 and day 2

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, ganesh said:

we did over pay for Jefferson, Addison and Butler last off season on day 1 and day 2

sigh....and it did not pay off

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have a quiet interest in Trey Hendrickson for the Bills.

 

But I'm pretty sure we can't afford to get into a bidding war

I have been slightly vocal
even said "book it" in some obscure thread.
 

But honestly, i have had interest as soon as I read he might shake free.
I would pay him Beane style of course. But really would be pleased

f jests

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

I want Samuel and Lawson...

 

Beane won't get into a bidding war, he sets his limits, looks for fit and is not really a day 1 guy. But I do wonder if he will push some chips in and make a "good" move. Just seems like the time...

Carl is #2 on my list after Trey

[Doc]

Who is to say it didn’t pay off? They went 13-3 last year. And they kept Addison and Butler.

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

Who is to say it didn’t pay off? They went 13-3 last year. And they kept Addison and Butler.

They were horrible, the restructures make it better, but that money would have been better spent elsewhere

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

Who is to say it didn’t pay off? They went 13-3 last year. And they kept Addison and Butler.

always the contrarian Doc

 

jk

 fair point

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

They were horrible, the restructures make it better, but that money would have been better spent elsewhere

not horrid.
not good enough

BTW is Star coming back? sorely needed a 1 tech last year and Star bid out of the season for covid . And Phillips was not that guy nor Butler. 

[Reed83HOF]

7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

always the contrarian Doc

 

jk

 fair point

not horrid.
not good enough

BTW is Star coming back? sorely needed a 1 tech last year and Star bid out of the season for covid . And Phillips was not that guy nor Butler. 

No clue on Star - Joe B is saying he might be gone now too...

 

For the money Phillips and Lawson were better choices. I'm worried about 1T, Edge and WR Speed (he has to be able to catch the ball). Feel like CB is meant for the draft

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea. I guess it’s fair to say the FA class wasn’t nearly as good as it is this offseason.

 

Not guna beat the dead horse again, but Addison should be on the market as well right now. 

Yeah at his salary I agree... but I’m not sure there are many clear upgrades for the production to pay ratio after he took his pay cut. 
 

I may be wrong... I’ll admit if I am wrong... I just didn’t think anyone else was that elite where it was a clear upgrade 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

"Damn straight!"

48 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

They were horrible, the restructures make it better, but that money would have been better spent elsewhere

Yeah, like on JJ Watt

[NewEra]

50 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

They were horrible, the restructures make it better, but that money would have been better spent elsewhere

I don’t think they were “horrible”.  They weren’t worth the money.....no doubt.  Horrible Is a bit much imo.  I was hoping we’d move on from Addison, but we wouldn’t save that much by cutting him.  I thought Butler turned his game around in the 2nd half of the year and played a lot of solid 1Tech and his play at the 1 tech helped our D turn the corner down the stretch.  

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

We'll have to agree to disagree that the Pats are doing a good job today.

They're paying $48 million combined for Kendrick Bourne and Nelson Agholor, for starters. That's insanity.

Every year there's a runaway "free agency winner", and veeerrrry rarely do that team's free agency contracts wind up looking smart/worthwhile in retrospect.

Frankly, the Pats are spending like the drought era Bills. Big flashy moves for top-of-the-ticket free agents. Color me unimpressed.

 

I recall the ball washing that the media was giving the jets after they overpaid for Bell, Mosley, and a washed up Ryan Kalil that whooollleee offseason before 2019..... good times. 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think they were “horrible”.  They weren’t worth the money.....no doubt.  Horrible Is a bit much imo.  I was hoping we’d move on from Addison, but we wouldn’t save that much by cutting him.  I thought Butler turned his game around in the 2nd half of the year and played a lot of solid 1Tech and his play at the 1 tech helped our D turn the corner down the stretch.  

I was hopeful on Addison and missing Star was a big issue for our D, but the combined cost and McDs "rotation" pit too much money on marginal talents instead of good players

 

Jmo of course and I can't really disagree with your thoughts, they are valid...

[NewEra]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

I was hopeful on Addison and missing Star was a big issue for our D, but the combined cost and McDs "rotation" pit too much money on marginal talents instead of good players

 

Jmo of course and I can't really disagree with your thoughts, they are valid...

I agree 💯.  We should’ve spent on one great player as opposed to a few middling vets to rotate.  
 

but think back.....who were we going to sign?  There weren’t ANY big time stats to throw the money at. https://www.nfl.com/news/ten-pass-rushers-worth-pursuing-in-free-agency-2020-nfl-draft-0ap3000001102492

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have a quiet interest in Trey Hendrickson for the Bills.

 

But I'm pretty sure we can't afford to get into a bidding war

I would be cool with the jets overpaying him

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I would be cool with the jets overpaying him

 

Are the Jets still gonna go after him after all their other signings, including Carl Lawson for what, $45M?

 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I agree 💯.  We should’ve spent on one great player as opposed to a few middling vets to rotate.  
 

but think back.....who were we going to sign?  There weren’t ANY big time stats to throw the money at. https://www.nfl.com/news/ten-pass-rushers-worth-pursuing-in-free-agency-2020-nfl-draft-0ap3000001102492

I know we offered lawson similar money and he chose the phins (enjoy Houston buddy) but in hindsight Phillips was the man to resign...

 

I will say, the jump this year was not really expected as much as it was so the thought of pushing it wasn't on my mind that much. No one foresaw Covid and it's affects on the cap, otherwise we would have had a huge chuck going into this year. 

 

Iirc, we were 5th in terms of cap percentage spent on DL this year. McD wants pressure with the front 4, says it every year and this is what we got...no beuno

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

48 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

No clue on Star - Joe B is saying he might be gone now too...

 

For the money Phillips and Lawson were better choices. I'm worried about 1T, Edge and WR Speed (he has to be able to catch the ball). Feel like CB is meant for the draft

 

 

Phillips and Lawson had really poor seasons so that really worked out poorly for their teams.

 

Star not being back?   Irrelevant........as "meh" as he was in 2019 a street free agent might be able to beat him out at this point.    Maybe Snacks will jump over from Green Bay for the minimum salary.  And he's actually tackled a RB in the past 3 years.

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Phillips and Lawson had really poor seasons so that really worked out poorly for their teams.

 

Star not being back?   Irrelevant........as "meh" as he was in 2019 a street free agent might be able to beat him out at this point.    Maybe Snacks will jump over from Green Bay for the minimum salary.  And he's actually tackled a RB in the past 3 years.

No disagreement on Star, the other 2 played well in our scheme, for the record I was on the let them walk side last year, but that being said, they did produce for us and played better (on our team) as opposed to the replacements.

 

Results in 202 turned out to be:

 

Another year in the same scheme > new team chasing FA dollars

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

No disagreement on Star, the other 2 played well in our scheme, for the record I was on the let them walk side last year, but that being said, they did produce for us and played better (on our team) as opposed to the replacements.

 

Results in 202 turned out to be:

 

Another year in the same scheme > new team chasing FA dollars

 

 

Shaq played out of his head in a contract run...........you had to know that as soon as he got to a place with a bag of money and more Popeye's per square mile he'd slow down.

 

I thought they milked Phillips for all the production they were going to get.........I wasn't a believer that he was going to be able to sustain anything.    He started out hot though.......but then the other shoe dropped.    Really fat guy on relatively skinny legs.

[Sundancer]

8 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

No clue on Star - Joe B is saying he might be gone now too...

 

For the money Phillips and Lawson were better choices. I'm worried about 1T, Edge and WR Speed (he has to be able to catch the ball). Feel like CB is meant for the draft

If they cut Star, they will be even more desperate to replace him. They need at least two space eaters. A starter and a backup. Last year this was their biggest weakness. 

[machine gun kelly]

9 hours ago, Logic said:

We'll have to agree to disagree that the Pats are doing a good job today.

They're paying $48 million combined for Kendrick Bourne and Nelson Agholor, for starters. That's insanity.

Every year there's a runaway "free agency winner", and veeerrrry rarely do that team's free agency contracts wind up looking smart/worthwhile in retrospect.

Frankly, the Pats are spending like the drought era Bills. Big flashy moves for top-of-the-ticket free agents. Color me unimpressed.

 

It’s evident they are choosing bigger taller FA as BB knows Cam is inaccurate, and needs targets with a large catch radius.

[streetkings01]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Well...the Bills did the same last year....

We did go 13-3 last year tho 

[machine gun kelly]

Both out performed for their contract years, but this year, they both stunk (Phillips and Shaq).  Star was more important than many wanted to admit in 2019.  We had the 3rd best defense in yards in 2019, and 2nd best in points.  Star played his part.

 

If he really wants to retire, I would understand, but he’d leave a lot of $ on the table amd he’s only 31.  If retiring, we would need a 1 technique guy either in FA, or in the draft.