Andy Reid’s son admits drinking before accident that severely injured child [edited title]

[aristocrat]

13 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said:

And another twist to the story - 

 

https://fox4kc.com/news/missouri-department-of-revenue-assisting-in-britt-reid-crash-investigation/

 

Not sure what impact this would have on a case against Reid. 

 

brings in more liability possibly.  if they knew he had a history of drinking and driving they can be held liable.  i could be wrong but someone once explained to me that if you didnt know someone had a history of dwi's and you lent your car to them you're not at fault but if you knew and lend them your car you are at fault. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

brings in more liability possibly.  if they knew he had a history of drinking and driving they can be held liable.  i could be wrong but someone once explained to me that if you didnt know someone had a history of dwi's and you lent your car to them you're not at fault but if you knew and lend them your car you are at fault. 

 

Yeah there's some specific stuff about driving a car with dealer plates I'm not too familiar with - basically there's a time limit on how long someone can drive a car with dealer plates without filling out documentation, it's like 2 days in MO - the point being to keep dealer plates from being an end-around to actual state registration.

 

The fact that the rep at the dealer in question is ducking the media suggests that perhaps their practices may not bear scrutiny

 

But I don't think it has much effect on any case against Britt Reid.

[Mr. WEO]

On 2/10/2021 at 11:46 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

As to the former, doesn't that happen with the adult children of most notable people, until/unless they become notable in their own right?  The children of famous or notable people in the news seem commonly referred to as "so and so's son" or "so and so's son-in-law"

 

As to the latter, I agree that by age 35, a man should be considered responsible for his own actions and not have them laid to the door of his dad, but  in this case, his Dad has chosen to hire him for a premier coaching position for which his qualifications may be questioned, and he was likely driving away from his job location when the crash occurred.  So there's that.

 

Reid, the father and the boss, had one son OD'd/died at work.  His other son got drunk at work and then hit one/two cars on an exit ramp, putting a child into a coma.

 

Forget about as a parent, as the boss, the supervision of these 2 particular employees (both with very well known substance abuse issues and criminal histories) was...sub-optimal.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Reid, the father and the boss, had one son OD'd/died at work.  His other son got drunk at work and then hit one/two cars on an exit ramp, putting a child into a coma.

 

Forget about as a parent, as the boss, the supervision of these 2 particular employees (both with very well known substance abuse issues and criminal histories) was...sub-optimal.

 

Two cars, and two-lane entrance ramp not exit ramp, but otherwise yeah. I Hear Ya.

 

It is not yet known Britt Reid got drunk at work, to be fair.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Two cars, and two-lane entrance ramp not exit ramp, but otherwise yeah. I Hear Ya.

 

It is not yet known Britt Reid got drunk at work, to be fair.

 

That  ramp was one exit away from the training facility.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

That  ramp was one exit away from the training facility.

 

Other way around.  It's the entrance ramp closest to the training facility and the direct route between training facility/Britt Reids home.

 

Point that it's not yet (publicly) known that Reid got drunk at work stands; I think it's probable myself but there are a number of bars in the area and shots in the car after leaving are also a "thing".

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Other way around.  It's the entrance ramp closest to the training facility and the direct route between training facility/Britt Reids home.

 

Point that it's not yet (publicly) known that Reid got drunk at work stands; I think it's probable myself but there are a number of bars in the area and shots in the car after leaving are also a "thing".

 

 

 

Oh...they're a "thing" all right.

[JohnNord]

9 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

Not to make light of what happened to Ariel, but the collateral damage from this will extend to Britt Reid's own family and also Andy's. 

 

I doubt if found guilty of any charges related to alcohol that he will ever be employable by the Chiefs or any other team in the NFL. He 

already has a felony conviction which would make it tough to get any job, let alone a football job. I would find it hard to believe that Britt's 

wife was not aware of his drinking but she obviously can't watch him while he's at the Chiefs' facility or anywhere else outside the home. 

Financially this could ruin him and his family and I suspect Andy would move them out of KC as his kids are approaching school age and would 

face the eventual taunting and harassment by classmates over their father. 

 

If he goes to prison, I'm sure Andy will pick up their family expenses wherever they end up but a civil suit could run into the millions. 

 

Lots at stake for all families involved but let's pray that Ariel recovers and has a normal life. 

 

I think that a jail sentence is probably the best case scenario if found guilt.  If they find that Britt was drinking at the Chiefs facility, which definitely seems like a possibly, you bet your arse there will be a civil suit against the Chiefs.  And if they somehow find out that Andy or the coaches knew he was drinking there could be some major collateral damage.  
 

Essentially Britt put a lot of people in a terrible situation 

[C.Biscuit97]

20 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I think that a jail sentence is probably the best case scenario if found guilt.  If they find that Britt was drinking at the Chiefs facility, which definitely seems like a possibly, you bet your arse there will be a civil suit against the Chiefs.  And if they somehow find out that Andy or the coaches knew he was drinking there could be some major collateral damage.  
 

Essentially Britt put a lot of people in a terrible situation 

Maybe next time you hire the best person for the job and not your former addiction son. I mean get why Reid did it but it’s not exactly shocking this blow up in his face. 
 

Sucks because he seems like a great dude but who knows. 

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Maybe next time you hire the best person for the job and not your former addiction son. I mean get why Reid did it but it’s not exactly shocking this blow up in his face. 
 

Sucks because he seems like a great dude but who knows. 

That’s gotta be the heartbreaking part of being the parent of an addict.  Of course, it’s also a case of nepotism but that’s common in the NFL.

 

My thinking is that when Andy took over in 2013, Britt was still passionate about football.  He had done his prison sentence and was an intern at Temple.  Andy probably thought that giving him a low-level position would help keep him occupied and keep him close so he could keep tabs.  He atleast knew the type of culture/environment he would build in KC.

 

Britt was on the staff for 7+ plus years so it was probably working for a lwhile, but ultimately it’s very hard to depend on someone with addiction issues that aren’t completely addressed  

[Man with No Name]

10 hours ago, JohnNord said:

That’s gotta be the heartbreaking part of being the parent of an addict.  Of course, it’s also a case of nepotism but that’s common in the NFL.

 

My thinking is that when Andy took over in 2013, Britt was still passionate about football.  He had done his prison sentence and was an intern at Temple.  Andy probably thought that giving him a low-level position would help keep him occupied and keep him close so he could keep tabs.  He atleast knew the type of culture/environment he would build in KC.

 

Britt was on the staff for 7+ plus years so it was probably working for a lwhile, but ultimately it’s very hard to depend on someone with addiction issues that aren’t completely addressed  

one of the most reasonable posts ive seen on the topic. 

[Seventeen]

Great news - Ariel is awake 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, Roy Hobbs said:

Great news - Ariel is awake 

 

Wonderful news. Hopefully she can make a full recovery!

[aristocrat]

Well that is some good news.  I'm sure Reid is feeling a little better not facing a murder charge.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Wonderful news. Hopefully she can make a full recovery!

 

The update, "Ariel is awake", covers a wide range of current states and long -term outcomes from a medical POV.

 

I sound like a real "Debby" here I'm sure

 

Prayers and let's hope for the best.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The update, "Ariel is awake", covers a wide range of current states and long -term outcomes from a medical POV.

 

I sound like a real "Debby" here I'm sure

 

Prayers and let's hope for the best.

This is a good point. I hope everything goes as well as possible 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Update

Quote

Yesterday by Tiffany Verhulst, Organizer

Ariel, while she is awake she is not the same happy free spirited little girl she was before this horrific crash. She has a long road to recovery and the things that were once easy for her will no longer be. We are so happy she is awake yet so sad at the toll this took on her body and brain. We are thankful for the continued support and love for her right now. No family or child should ever have to go through this.
Thank you ❤️

 

Sounds as though there may be some impairment 😥

Hopefully therapy will help a lot and the family will be able to afford the best.

 

 

[Seventeen]

33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Update

 

Sounds as though there may be some impairment 😥

Hopefully therapy will help a lot and the family will be able to afford the best.

 

 

 

According to this from the KCPD, sounds like she's off the ventilator but unresponsive. Not good ... 

 

https://www.kmbc.com/article/kcpd-5-year-old-breathing-unassisted-still-unresponsive-after-being-injured-in-crash-involving-former-chiefs-assistant-coach-britt-reid/35522983

[purple haze]

I don’t understand why people drink and drive.  The potential destruction is a needless risk to take.

[Augie]

23 hours ago, purple haze said:

I don’t understand why people drink and drive.  The potential destruction is a needless risk to take.

 

I am fanatical about this now. If I plan on more than one glass of wine I Uber or have the wife drive. I’ve only Ubered a few times in the last year and never to go out for fun, unfortunately.  I went to a friend’s for an Ohio State game last season and I didn’t like driving after one 10 oz beer over a couple hours. 

 

Having said that, I won’t be so sanctimonious as to say I have never driven when I should not have. I’m NOT proud of that, but I won’t deny it. Things used to be SO different. I never had that type of history, but I must say the old “there but for the grace of God......” 

 

 

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Edited February 19, 2021 by Augie

[eball]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Update

 

Sounds as though there may be some impairment 😥

Hopefully therapy will help a lot and the family will be able to afford the best.

 

 

Luckily the financial part shouldn’t be an issue, given who the at fault party is. 

[4merper4mer]

The NFL’s broom and rug appear to be in good working order.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

The NFL’s broom and rug appear to be in good working order.

 

What makes you say this?

 

Last I heard, the crash investigation is still ongoing and is expected to take 30-60 days. 

 

Britt Reid is no longer employed by the Chiefs.

 

Though when the investigation is complete, if he isn't barred from coaching in the NFL for life, I will agree with you.

[4merper4mer]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What makes you say this?

 

Last I heard, the crash investigation is still ongoing and is expected to take 30-60 days. 

 

Britt Reid is no longer employed by the Chiefs.

 

Though when the investigation is complete, if he isn't barred from coaching in the NFL for life, I will agree with you.

Dude his contract expired.  The NFL hasn’t done anything other than prepare to cover their own behinds.  The interminable “investigation” is only helping that cause and it is a joke.  They have his BAC and other data and the forensics from the physical crash.  What could possibly take that long?

[Mr. WEO]

52 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Dude his contract expired.  The NFL hasn’t done anything other than prepare to cover their own behinds.  The interminable “investigation” is only helping that cause and it is a joke.  They have his BAC and other data and the forensics from the physical crash.  What could possibly take that long?

 

You think the Chiefs "got to" the cops and are making them bury their criminal investigation?

 

 

[4merper4mer]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You think the Chiefs "got to" the cops and are making them bury their criminal investigation?

 

 

Not what I said.

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Not what I said.

 

 

Why do you think it's taking abnormally long and what does that have to do with the Chiefs and former employee Brit Reid?  You clearly implied the cops are slow rolling the investigation

[aristocrat]

25 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Not what I said.

So what are you trying to say?

[4merper4mer]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Why do you think it's taking abnormally long and what does that have to do with the Chiefs and former employee Brit Reid?  You clearly implied the cops are slow rolling the investigation

Ah the shifting sands of WEO posts.  I’ll skip this round thanks.

3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

So what are you trying to say?

Not that the police buried the investigation as accused.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Ah the shifting sands of WEO posts.  I’ll skip this round thanks.

Wise choice

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Not what I said.

 

So what are you saying? 
 

It sounds like you expect the NFL to take an unemployed coach that is under investigation and throw him out of the league?

 

Except that is not how the NFL does anything with conduct.  If he was still employed- they could put him on the Commissioners List like the players until the investigation is complete, but guys that are unemployed typically do not find themselves on the list.  AB was not on the list after his last release - it was made clear that if signed they would move him to the list, but he was not.

 

Reid was not going to be signed by anyone - so there is no use right now for the NFL to do anything with him.  Even once the investigation is complete - I would expect them to quietly inform teams what they already know - he will not be allowed to coach again.

 

They will let this play out and then decide if the KC team deserves any additional blame (fine/loss of draft pick) and then let the courts handle this guy.  What would be interesting is if his contract was not up - then I would think he would have been put on the List, but I am sure the team and the NFL knew the situation and knew there was no need to act - the contract takes care of itself.

 

There is just no other reason for the NFL to act another way in this situation - it does not benefit them to come out and punish a guy that is out of the league and it has no impact on the investigation. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Dude his contract expired.  The NFL hasn’t done anything other than prepare to cover their own behinds.  The interminable “investigation” is only helping that cause and it is a joke.  They have his BAC and other data and the forensics from the physical crash.  What could possibly take that long?

 

When investigating officers are interviewed and say that such things "typically" take that period of time, I tend to believe maybe there's more to it I don't understand

When our local folks here who are in the business confirm that for whatever reason it takes them that period of time to get results, again - maybe that's how long it takes.

 

You can believe it shouldn't take that long, take that up with the gendarmes in your locale

[Seventeen]

This is not good news ... 

 

https://www.wtrf.com/sports/girl-injured-chiefs-coach-crash-has-permanent-brain-injuries/

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

This is not good news ... 

https://www.wtrf.com/sports/girl-injured-chiefs-coach-crash-has-permanent-brain-injuries/

 

No, it's not.  She and her family have a long, long road ahead of her.  I wish them courage, and I wish her the best possible outcome she can have.

 

In a right world, the Reid family would accept responsibility and see to it that she has every facility to assure her of that. 

 

In the world we live in, assistance would be taken as an admission of guilt. The matter will probably churn through the courts for the next 5-10 years.  Thankfully due to the generosity of the GoFundMe the family will have some resources, though with medical care and rehab that amount will go fast.

[Punching Bag]

17 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

This is not good news ... 

 

https://www.wtrf.com/sports/girl-injured-chiefs-coach-crash-has-permanent-brain-injuries/

 

No and treatment will likely be expensive as well as laywer for family trying to prevent him from dodging responsibility.

 

Chiefs did not renew his contract.

If NFL prohibits him from coaching how will he pay costs?  Don't say his father, he is not responsible for this.

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, it's not.  She and her family have a long, long road ahead of her.  I wish them courage, and I wish her the best possible outcome she can have.

 

In a right world, the Chiefs and the NFL would accept responsibility and see to it that she has every facility to assure her of that. 

 

I agree about the long, long road but I am not sure how Chiefs and NFL are responsible for this.

Would your company pay for treatment for girl?  Most won't unless he was working at the time.

Mine certainly would not but likely I'd lose job which would not help paying these costs.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

I agree about the long, long road but I am not sure how Chiefs and NFL are responsible for this.

Would your company pay for treatment for girl?  Most won't unless he was working at the time.

Mine certainly would not but likely I'd lose job which would not help paying these costs.

 

I changed my post to the Reid family after you replied, and we probably don't want to go down the rabbit hole of extensive discussion by us "sea lawyers".

 

Briefly though, as I understand it, the name of the game in a liability lawsuit is the lawyers to do everything they can to loop in anyone associated who has money.  Andy Reid, the Chiefs, and the NFL have money.  Britt Reid, unless he has good auto insurance with a high liability limit, does not.

 

As to the grounds for looping them in or the likelihood of success, I'm not qualified to speak (though I'm pretty confident that won't stop others equally unqualified)

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, it's not.  She and her family have a long, long road ahead of her.  I wish them courage, and I wish her the best possible outcome she can have.

 

In a right world, the Reid family would accept responsibility and see to it that she has every facility to assure her of that. 

 

In the world we live in, assistance would be taken as an admission of guilt. The matter will probably churn through the courts for the next 5-10 years.  Thankfully due to the generosity of the GoFundMe the family will have some resources, though with medical care and rehab that amount will go fast.

 

I actually expect Reid is going to settle this thing before a lawsuit is even filed.  The family will likely be able to get a really great personal injury lawyer given the publicity and the deep pockets; and most of the really good lawyers, can easily settle something like this right away.  Makes no sense for anyone to fight this in the courts.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

I actually expect Reid is going to settle this thing before a lawsuit is even filed.  The family will likely be able to get a really great personal injury lawyer given the publicity and the deep pockets; and most of the really good lawyers, can easily settle something like this right away.  Makes no sense for anyone to fight this in the courts.

 

I think that would be the "right" thing to happen but I wouldn't bet on it.  "Right" in quotes because there is no actual right in the case, just mitigating the wrongs.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said:

This is not good news ... 

 

https://www.wtrf.com/sports/girl-injured-chiefs-coach-crash-has-permanent-brain-injuries/

 

Man that is sad.  I can't imagine what the family is going through.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think that would be the "right" thing to happen but I wouldn't bet on it.  "Right" in quotes because there is no actual right in the case, just mitigating the wrongs.

yeah, you could be right. we will see. I do think though most personal injury lawyers with a slam dunk case know how to get these things done. It’s in their interest not to pursue it in court, which will just slow down how they get paid. And the math here isn’t going to be disputed Much— I think you get someone to put together basically a life care plan and estimate of lost earning capacity. If I had to guess, this is going to be like a $10M+.

 

the one issue might be whether Britt Reid doesn’t have the money and his dad or the chiefs won’t contribute to a settlement.