leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: You seem like a rationally poster in most other threads but I’m not going to respond to someone who believes all that. There’s another message board for that. This is why we can’t have nice things. Nothing happens in a vacuum, and what comes before matters as to what happens after. I even showed my softer side and didn’t mention how the liberal left and Dems in general sat cheering wildly while reigning VP Kam Harris played Commodus attempted to eviscerate Judge Kavanaugh. Her payoff was the number 2 seat in the world. What we learned is that rage and rioting in the streets with the political left encouraging death and destruction is what passes for noble when it’s politically expedient and convenient on the left. Besides, my version was just a fanciful reimagining of the days after the vote was Barracked. Edited February 8, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wnyguy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, BillStime said: Well when you steal an election you gotta expect some people may be upset. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Well when you steal an election you gotta expect some people may be upset. @wnyguy looking for reality 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 3:29 AM, Doc Brown said: That's downplaying it. The purpose of impeachment for Trump is to prevent some rogue president from doing something similar in the future. It's to safeguard and strengthen our democracy. Let's say Obama lost reelection to Romney and refused to accept the results of the election. He immediately started spreading disinformation for months to his supporters that it was "stolen" from him without any evidence that could past muster in court. He then used his cult of personality to encourage his most fanatical followers to march to the capital building to "stop the steal" where results of the election were about to be certified. Five people die and one of our most recognizable buildings in our great democracy was defaced. I'd want him impeached asap. That's something that just can't be brushed aside. Without Trump's rhetoric and gaslighting it wouldn't have happened. Period. 45 of 50 GOP Senators agree with the position the Trump impeachment trial in the Senate is unconstitutional. On the grounds Article I Section 3 of the Constitution providing Impeachment powers to the Senate applies only to a sitting President. Assuming with 100% certainty all 50 Democratic Senators vote "yes" on impeachment they'll need 12 of those 45 to vote "yes" too. Does anyone believe 12 GOP Senators that concluded the trial is not "legal" will vote to impeach? So this is going to the same place the 1st impeachment went which is to defeat. On top of this proving a charge of Inciting Insurrection is difficult. It implies some direct control or instructions or command. Legal case study shows courts hold the burden of proof to the highest standards. Convictions are extremely difficult. In this case some highly subjective interpretations of insurrection are cited as "evidence". This case is flimsy at best and perhaps completely absent. This charge will go absolutely nowhere. Much to the displeasure of the left Trump is likely to escape once again. When this happens, queue the obligatory protests, outrage, and calls for Constitutional changes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: Is this different than when Hillary went around calling Trump illegitimate for the last four years...or did you just conveniently skip over that form of sedition and insurrection? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Is this different than when Hillary went around calling Trump illegitimate for the last four years...or did you just conveniently skip over that form of sedition and insurrection? How many people died at the Capitol when Hillary publicly conceded the day after the election in 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: 45 of 50 GOP Senators agree with the position the Trump impeachment trial in the Senate is unconstitutional. No they didn't. The vote was on whether or not to have a separate hearing to settle the question of Constitutionality. Edited February 9, 2021 by Motorin' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 6 hours ago, BillStime said: Republicans used this argument during the first impeachment that other things need to get done. Democrats have done a pretty good job of filling the cabinet and setting up reconciliation during this entire impeachment process. It’s not like they can’t do more than one thing at once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 11 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: 45 of 50 GOP Senators agree with the position the Trump impeachment trial in the Senate is unconstitutional. On the grounds Article I Section 3 of the Constitution providing Impeachment powers to the Senate applies only to a sitting President. Assuming with 100% certainty all 50 Democratic Senators vote "yes" on impeachment they'll need 12 of those 45 to vote "yes" too. Does anyone believe 12 GOP Senators that concluded the trial is not "legal" will vote to impeach? So this is going to the same place the 1st impeachment went which is to defeat. On top of this proving a charge of Inciting Insurrection is difficult. It implies some direct control or instructions or command. Legal case study shows courts hold the burden of proof to the highest standards. Convictions are extremely difficult. In this case some highly subjective interpretations of insurrection are cited as "evidence". This case is flimsy at best and perhaps completely absent. This charge will go absolutely nowhere. Much to the displeasure of the left Trump is likely to escape once again. When this happens, queue the obligatory protests, outrage, and calls for Constitutional changes. Of course they do out of fear of having their political lives destroyed. My hunch is if they did a secret ballot he'd be convicted just based off Liz Cheney retaining her seat in the House. It's not a criminal trial so the high standards of "proving a charge of inciting insurrection" isn't required to convict. There's no way in hell he's not being acquitted but having a majority of Senators (including a few Republicans) vote to have him convicted will hopefully send a message to future president's (and the American public) about the importance of the peaceful transition of power. I don't want another January 5th scene (or worse) as those pictures have been disseminated throughout the world making us look like a freaking banana republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 It just wasn’t January 6 - Trump has been inciting every day the past four years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, BillStime said: It just wasn’t January 6 - Trump has been inciting every day the past four years. No justice, no peace! 😂 Dude...give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: No justice, no peace! 😂 Dude...give it a rest. Oh look who is back! How many people died at the Capitol when Hillary publicly conceded the day after the election in 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Just now, BillStime said: Oh look who is back! How many people died at the Capitol when Hillary publicly conceded the day after the election in 2016? How many dozens of people died or were injured in the riots all over America throughout the summer because Democrats purposely fanned the flames of racial tensions? Anyone get impeached for that? Hmmmm? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How many dozens of people died or were injured in the riots all over America throughout the summer because Democrats purposely fanned the flames of racial tensions? Anyone get impeached for that? Hmmmm? The media has been complicit as well, only showing black people getting arrested/shot by the police as much as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How many dozens of people died or were injured in the riots all over America throughout the summer because Democrats purposely fanned the flames of racial tensions? Anyone get impeached for that? Hmmmm? You still didn’t answer the question. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Doc said: The media has been complicit as well, only showing black people getting arrested/shot by the police as much as they can. Yeah it’s always someone else’s fault. Those images of black people being killed by police - necks being kneeled on - really make *you* uncomfortable, eh? Approved: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 47 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yeah it’s always someone else’s fault. Those images of black people being killed by police - necks being kneeled on - really make *you* uncomfortable, eh? Approved: Yup. Like Jackson being caught on video physically assaulting police officers with a bat...and then blaming Trump for it. But it's still rabble-rousing. Own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. Like Jackson being caught on video physically assaulting police officers with a bat...and then blaming Trump for it. But it's still rabble-rousing. Own it. And Jackson is in jail - where he should be - and not on vacation in Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, BillStime said: You still didn’t answer the question. Why is that? Because the whataboutism is strong with them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Gun Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, BillStime said: Hahaha, another nothing burger like Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Stormy Danielsgate, etc. The Dems are pathetic! How about doing their jobs and address the real issues at hand that affect the American people and the USA, no, no can't as Trump still lives in every libs mind daily, it's comical! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: Yup. Like Jackson being caught on video physically assaulting police officers with a bat...and then blaming Trump for it. But it's still rabble-rousing. Own it. Are you talking about the guy who killed the Capitol Police officer? Probably not. I wonder if Trump has called the family of that hero. Probably not there, too. Too busy brushing his teeth with HCQ, trying to harness the magic necessary to make COVID-19 disappear, and lamenting the power of the "fake news media." 27 minutes ago, Big Gun said: Hahaha, another nothing burger like Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Stormy Danielsgate, etc. The Dems are pathetic! How about doing their jobs and address the real issues at hand that affect the American people and the USA, no, no can't as Trump still lives in every libs mind daily, it's comical! I gotta be honest. I kinda miss hearing from the guy every day. Each time I think I'm too inferior or stupid to do anything with my life, I could point to him and say if his tiny baby hands, limited intellect, and bloviation can get somewhere, then I can too. 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Note dates Kind of ironic that Antifa is a hoax and Trump Terror is a real thing. Sad and disgraceful, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Taylor Popielarz @TaylorPopielarz · Feb 9, 2021 Replying to @TaylorPopielarz Another reminder: To convict Trump, 17 GOP senators would have to vote w/ all 50 Dems (67 votes needed). This is not expected to happen. But if it did, a conviction wouldn't ban Trump from running for office again. A separate 'ban' vote would have to happen after impeachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, BillStime said: Yeah it’s always someone else’s fault. Those images of black people being killed by police - necks being kneeled on - really make *you* uncomfortable, eh? Approved: when I looked it up, because I was curious this site reported there were 987 law enforcement homicides in the US in 2020. The overwhelming majority of those killed were white. Minimum 2:1 over any other demographic category. what that actually means compared to these other tweets I can’t say, I was shocked when I looked it up and found that data. maybe this site has bias... https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: when I looked it up, because I was curious this site reported there were 987 law enforcement homicides in the US in 2020. The overwhelming majority of those killed were white. Minimum 2:1 over any other demographic category. what that actually means compared to these other tweets I can’t say, I was shocked when I looked it up and found that data. maybe this site has bias... https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ Shocked in what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: when I looked it up, because I was curious this site reported there were 987 law enforcement homicides in the US in 2020. The overwhelming majority of those killed were white. Minimum 2:1 over any other demographic category. what that actually means compared to these other tweets I can’t say, I was shocked when I looked it up and found that data. maybe this site has bias... https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ Did you actually analyze the data? Dig a little deeper? The rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans is much higher than that for any other ethnicity... • Police shootings: rate by ethnicity U.S. 2021 | Statista The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and January 2021 stood at 34 per million of the population, while for White Americans, the rate stood at 14 fatal police shootings per million of the population. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Gun said: Hahaha, another nothing burger like Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Stormy Danielsgate, etc. The Dems are pathetic! How about doing their jobs and address the real issues at hand that affect the American people and the USA, no, no can't as Trump still lives in every libs mind daily, it's comical! Trump is such a POS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BillStime said: Did you actually analyze the data? Dig a little deeper? The rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans is much higher than that for any other ethnicity... • Police shootings: rate by ethnicity U.S. 2021 | Statista The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and January 2021 stood at 34 per million of the population, while for White Americans, the rate stood at 14 fatal police shootings per million of the population. i understood the rate part of it because I have a loose idea of us demographics. I just would have expected it rarely to never happens. I never hear about police brutality to Caucasians in the news though it happens twice as many times per year that shocked me. why are police shooting and killing 1000 people a year? Does that happen elsewhere? Edited February 9, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Palm Beach to decide whether Trump can stay at Mar-a-Lago https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/ap-top-news/2021/02/09/palm-beach-to-decide-whether-trump-can-stay-at-mar-a-lago A snippet: The council members will hear their attorney's opinion on whether the town can bar Trump from living at his club. That was the deal Trump's lawyer offered nearly 30 years ago: He told the town in 1993 that Trump would be prohibited from living there if it allowed him to convert it from a residence to a club. But this promise was not specifically included in the written agreement, which may take precedence. That's because, technically, Trump is an employee of the corporation that officially owns Mar-a-Lago — and the written agreement only bars members from living there. Under town regulations, a club can provide onsite housing to its employees. Trump moved into Mar-a-Lago on Jan. 20, the day he left office. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trump is such a POS Yes, and he's gone. He could be out of your life, if you let him. But you won't let him out of your life. That's a you problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, snafu said: Yes, and he's gone. He could be out of your life, if you let him. But you won't let him out of your life. That's a you problem. When is the next insurrection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: When is the next insurrection? When was the last one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, snafu said: When was the last one? Define what happened on January 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Define what happened on January 6? A "mostly peaceful protest." As similar events in the past have been defined by CNN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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