The Trevor Lawrence Situation

[Teddy KGB]

[PromoTheRobot]

I thought you were going to say Trevor is staying at Clemson another year.

[Special K]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I thought you were going to say Trevor is staying at Clemson another year.

 

Why bother, it will be the same two teams fighting for the number 1 pick next year!!😁

[quinnearlysghost88]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I thought you were going to say Trevor is staying at Clemson another year.

Even if he wanted to sit and avoid the jets or jags, he’s still going to go to a bad team regardless of when he enters the draft. Choose your 2-14 destiny. 

Edited December 23, 2020 by quinnearlysghost88

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I feel like it should be reversed since in the movie Bond knows he has the nuts but his opponent snap calls behind three all-ins with only the 3rd nuts.

[LeviF]

5 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I feel like it should be reversed since in the movie Bond knows he has the nuts but his opponent snap calls behind three all-ins with only the 3rd nuts.

This is why that scene sucks in a nutshell. 

[Solomon Grundy]

24 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Saint Doug sharing 1st team reps with QBs too

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

6 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

This is why that scene sucks in a nutshell. 

 

In my mind it's the worst poker scene ever put to film.  It's just a massive 4 way cooler but you're supposed to takeaway that Bond somehow...outsmarted them all?  The only mistake anybody really makes in that hand is that Bond doesn't fold 75ss pre flop from the small blind in what I assume was a raised pot.

 

Like, why not show Bond making an insane hero call with A high to take down Le Chiffre or something?

 

Edit:  Also, just the notion that there's a massively high stakes tournament where ONLY the winner makes any money.  Even for the best poker players in the world that's just lighting money on fire.

Edited December 23, 2020 by SageAgainstTheMachine

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

In my mind it's the worst poker scene ever put to film.  It's just a massive 4 way cooler but you're supposed to takeaway that Bond somehow...outsmarted them all?  The only mistake anybody really makes in that hand is that Bond doesn't fold 75ss pre flop from the small blind in what I assume was a raised pot.

 

Like, why not show Bond making an insane hero call with A high to take down Le Chiffre or something?

That would have made a lot more sense. Le Chiffre on a big bluff. Quicker fix at least to explain Le Chiffre’s play is just to give him quad aces, and the other two guys boats. 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

12 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

That would have made a lot more sense. Le Chiffre on a big bluff. Quicker fix at least to explain Le Chiffre’s play is just to give him quad aces, and the other two guys boats. 

 

Yep.  I mean ultimately Le Chiffre's call with A6 is one he has to make (Bond is probably also shoving with 44, 66 and 88 on that board) but that he would smugly assume his hand is best when he's beaten not only by Bond's ridiculous hand but also A8 is unrealistic. 

 

My assumption is that the producers of that movie consulted with a poker expert and disregarded the better hand he scripted because like with most bad art they assume their audience is too dumb to understand a more nuanced scenario.

[Bobby Hooks]

41 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

Why bother, it will be the same two teams fighting for the number 1 pick next year!!😁

Still I’d prefer him not coming to the AFC East. 

[Teddy KGB]

8 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

Yep.  I mean ultimately Le Chiffre's call with A6 is one he has to make (Bond is probably also shoving with 44, 66 and 88 on that board) but that he would smugly assume his hand is best when he's beaten not only by Bond's ridiculous hand but also A8 is unrealistic. 

 

My assumption is that the producers of that movie consulted with a poker expert and disregarded the better hand he scripted because like with most bad art they assume their audience is too dumb to understand a more nuanced scenario.

can you break down all the hands from Lucky You next ? 🤑🤑
 

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by Teddy KGB

[ProcessTruster]

hmmm....  Jets have franchise LT.. check.   #1 WR... check.  a few other pieces.  Not sure they will be sucking forever.   You do not want Lawrence in there.  

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

hmmm....  Jets have franchise LT.. check.   #1 WR... check.  a few other pieces.  Not sure they will be sucking forever.   You do not want Lawrence in there.  

whose the #1 wr ? 

[947]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

whose the #1 wr ? 

I don't even know if the Jets have a #2 on their roster. Mims? could develop into a potential good WR2.

[GoBills808]

36 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

In my mind it's the worst poker scene ever put to film.  It's just a massive 4 way cooler but you're supposed to takeaway that Bond somehow...outsmarted them all?  The only mistake anybody really makes in that hand is that Bond doesn't fold 75ss pre flop from the small blind in what I assume was a raised pot.

 

Like, why not show Bond making an insane hero call with A high to take down Le Chiffre or something?

 

Edit:  Also, just the notion that there's a massively high stakes tournament where ONLY the winner makes any money.  Even for the best poker players in the world that's just lighting money on fire.

COme on...it's not even close to the worst scene. Like you said it's just a cooler between four guys who all either have ridiculous bankrolls or are staked/backed either by the house or the British government. There's no implication that any of these guys are supposed to be top pros iirc.

 

The Rounders scene where Mike is recounting his run-in with Johnny Chan is the worst poker scene ever. First off he says he sits a 300/600 table with 6k which wouldn't even been allowed most likely. Second, the hand he tells Knish about is all preflop, meaning that the action would have had to have gone: min raise-min raise-min3bet-min4bet and Chan FOLDS to shove of about 2BB lmfao. This isn't even getting into the fact that Johnny Chan did all this against some unknown dude who just bought in pathetically short looking to get his 10BB stack in against the best of all time without knowing 100% his range needs to be QQ+ to even consider some whacky min raise line like he took.

 

 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

can you break down all the hands from Lucky You next ? 🤑🤑
 

 

 

That hand is actually played realistically in that Eric Bana is shoving specifically to look polarized (essentially a set, maaaybe 97, or bluffing with air) and Robert Duvall has a combo draw with 15 outs to what he assumes is the best hand since Bana is never making that play with big diamonds.  That's a 30% chance of hitting and if the pot odds are any better than 2:1 it's a good call.  Not sure how into the game you are but Barry Greenstein and Sammy Farha, two top 50 players of all time if not better, make a cameo here.

The big problem with THAT scene is that Duvall is an acting legend compared to Bana and makes him look like a bad community theatre actor.

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

COme on...it's not even close to the worst scene. Like you said it's just a cooler between four guys who all either have ridiculous bankrolls or are staked/backed either by the house or the British government. There's no implication that any of these guys are supposed to be top pros iirc.

 

The Rounders scene where Mike is recounting his run-in with Johnny Chan is the worst poker scene ever. First off he says he sits a 300/600 table with 6k which wouldn't even been allowed most likely. Second, the hand he tells Knish about is all preflop, meaning that the action would have had to have gone: min raise-min raise-min3bet-min4bet and Chan FOLDS to shove of about 2BB lmfao. This isn't even getting into the fact that Johnny Chan did all this against some unknown dude who just bought in pathetically short looking to get his 10BB stack in against the best of all time without knowing 100% his range needs to be QQ+ to even consider some whacky min raise line like he took.

 

 

 

That one is certainly awful too and in that scene Mike McD tells Knish that he didn't get unlucky against Teddy KGB but was outplayed, which is an awful take.  Mike's only mistake was playing with his entire bankroll.

 

I still say the Casino Royale scene is worse though because the entire narrative of that film franchise drives at the idea that Bond is an indomitable badass who's better than everyone at everything and at the pivotal moment of the whole film they just show him getting lucky.

[Teddy KGB]

23 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

That hand is actually played realistically in that Eric Bana is shoving specifically to look polarized (essentially a set, maaaybe 97, or bluffing with air) and Robert Duvall has a combo draw with 15 outs to what he assumes is the best hand since Bana is never making that play with big diamonds.  That's a 30% chance of hitting and if the pot odds are any better than 2:1 it's a good call.  Not sure how into the game you are but Barry Greenstein and Sammy Farha, two top 50 players of all time if not better, make a cameo here.

The big problem with THAT scene is that Duvall is an acting legend compared to Bana and makes him look like a bad community theatre actor.

 

That one is certainly awful too and in that scene Mike McD tells Knish that he didn't get unlucky against Teddy KGB but was outplayed, which is an awful take.  Mike's only mistake was playing with his entire bankroll.

 

I still say the Casino Royale scene is worse though because the entire narrative of that film franchise drives at the idea that Bond is an indomitable badass who's better than everyone at everything and at the pivotal moment of the whole film they just show him getting lucky.

Sammy Farha and Tony G are my spirit animals 😝😝.

 

I’m way deep. 

Edited December 23, 2020 by Teddy KGB

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I thought you were going to say Trevor is staying at Clemson another year.

 

I think that's what's going to happen anyway.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Sammy Farha and Tony G are my spirit animals 😝😝.

 

I’m way deep. 

 

Love it.  I can while away whole evenings watching Tony G videos.

[Chicharito]

I seen a clip somewhere of a new interesting way to settle the #1 pick and tanking debate. The guy says forget the pro bowl nobody watch’s or cares especially one week before the super bowl. Why not take the 2 worst teams and let them play for the right to draft number 1. I wish I could find the clip. I like the idea personally. I think it would get huge ratings!

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Sammy Farha and Tony G are my spirit animals 😝😝.

 

I’m way deep. 

I would have guessed Kassouf

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Even if he wanted to sit and avoid the jets or jags, he’s still going to go to a bad team regardless of when he enters the draft. Choose your 2-14 destiny. 

to be fair ..2022 likely different teams. Pats coukd tank.

 

I think Jags are better than their record. They had QBs injury issues. If new gm does drastic personnel change like a defense flip then they can be bad next year.  This season they actually lost something like 7 games by one score.

 

early possibke teams picking top 5 in 2022...

 

Chicago, Philadelphia, Atlanta, New England, Houston

 

 

[LeviF]

20 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I would have guessed Kassouf

Barry Greenstein

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

4 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

Barry Greenstein

 

Best dude in the game.  My favorites for playing style are probably Gus Hansen and Vanessa Selbst.

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

Barry Greenstein

If I could play half as well as Andy on latb I'd quit my job today

[maddenboy]

1 hour ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

Edit:  Also, just the notion that there's a massively high stakes tournament where ONLY the winner makes any money.  Even for the best poker players in the world that's just lighting money on fire.

Its called a freeze-out tournament.  They were super common during online poker days.  Since you could play several per day and develop actual skill at that format.  Most common as 1 table tournaments or small number of entrants.

[without a drought]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Still I’d prefer him not coming to the AFC East. 

I'd welcome it.

.

 

Edited December 23, 2020 by without a drought

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

4 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

Its called a freeze-out tournament.  They were super common during online poker days.  Since you could play several per day and develop actual skill at that format.  Most common as 1 table tournaments or small number of entrants.

 

I got into the game after the online game died for us poor Americans.  Isn't a freezeout just any tournament with no rebuys or add-ons regardless of pay structure though?

[maddenboy]

no.  what you describe is just a regular no-rebuy tournament.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

whose the #1 wr ? 

He's not on the roster yet.....

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

2 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

no.  what you describe is just a regular no-rebuy tournament.

 

http://dictionary.pokerzone.com/Freezeout

 

We're both right.  Two different definitions.

[Bferra13]

46 minutes ago, Chicharito said:

I seen a clip somewhere of a new interesting way to settle the #1 pick and tanking debate. The guy says forget the pro bowl nobody watch’s or cares especially one week before the super bowl. Why not take the 2 worst teams and let them play for the right to draft number 1. I wish I could find the clip. I like the idea personally. I think it would get huge ratings!

One word, or five depending on how you look at it, NFLPA. No way they agree to that. Id love to see that too though.

[maddenboy]

As to Trevor staying in school, i think his people should

 

1)  have him list teams he would actually like to play for, out of all 32, and rank them

2)  guesstimate the odds that any of them would finish last next year AND would draft a qb #1

3)  guesstimate the odds that any of them would be bad enuf to be able to trade up to #1, and that the projected #! would already have a qb (Philly?  Chicago-ish?  Jets if Darnold looks decent next year)

 

4)  keep my ear out for whether the salary cap will be reduced AND whether that would affect the rookie wage scale.  But still, he's gonna make $300MM plus during his career and he shouldnt really worry about a couple mil lost in the first couple years.

 

I think he should come out this year. 

And, I think he is coming out this year, and has decided that weeks ago.

Edited December 24, 2020 by maddenboy

[Mat68]

47 minutes ago, Chicharito said:

I seen a clip somewhere of a new interesting way to settle the #1 pick and tanking debate. The guy says forget the pro bowl nobody watch’s or cares especially one week before the super bowl. Why not take the 2 worst teams and let them play for the right to draft number 1. I wish I could find the clip. I like the idea personally. I think it would get huge ratings!

I like it.  Gives teams an ability to get healthier by having it pro bowl weekend.   Pay the players the same as they make wildcard weekend.  Pro bowl players do the saturdqy night skills thing.  Put big money on the line and the elites will show.  Like college, a Bowl game feel.  Every crap team has a handful of good players.  Highlights them.  Interim coaches actually coaching for the future.  

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I would have guessed Kassouf

Tony G all day.    Kassouf is annoying.  
 

 

Edited December 24, 2020 by Teddy KGB

[LeviF]

29 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

Vanessa Selbst.

I think she’s currently doing a HUNL match with Daniel Negreanu. 

[msw2112]

A lottery might make sense for the NFL.  Perhaps the bottom 3 teams would have their draft order determined by a lottery.  Teams might tank a little bit to get into the bottom 3, but they would be less likely to do so if their odds of getting the top pick were 1 in 3 or less (less if they weighted the odds more for the worse records like the NHL does).  The NHL lottery has too many teams.  I think the NBA's (with which I'm not that familiar) works a little better?

[Teddy KGB]

45 minutes ago, without a drought said:

I'd welcome it.

.

 

Why ?   He’s gonna be excellent no ? 

[skibum]

If I was Trevor Lawrence, I would be doing whatever I could to get busted for something, anything to slide into round 3 - drugs, prostitutes, armed robbery...