Diggs proves the trade skeptics wrong

[27yanks]

"I want him to be him. I don't want him to be anything else but him," Daboll said. "He's got juice, he's got fiery competitiveness, he's got swagger -- and I want him to have it because it rubs off on our team.

"He's an old throwback. He wants to grind at practice, you've got to take him out because he just wants to keep going. And if it's not right at practice, he gets hot. He's just been such a pleasure to be around."

[GunnerBill]

It was the truth in Minnesota too when you really looked into it and read stuff from people in the know Diggs was never a "diva". He is a grinder. And he is a winner. He holds himself to a very high standard and he is going to hold everyone around him to that standard too. You need those people in your locker room. Is he a demanding teammate - yes. But he is not a "me" guy. Never was. He is a "we" guy. But if "we" gotta get better then Stef is gonna stand up and say that. He isn't going quietly in the corner thinking "I caught 8 balls I did my job it is everyone else's fault we lost."

[dma0034]

They are two different types of receivers but Justin Jefferson is going to be a better WR than Diggs and may already be. Contract is better for 5 year. So I don't really know if it silences the trade skeptics honestly.

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

They are two different types of receivers but Justin Jefferson is going to be a better WR than Diggs and may already be. Contract is better for 5 year. So I don't really know if it silences the trade skeptics honestly.

3rd or 4th and short with the game on the line.... which one are you picking? its a no brainer for me.

[Rk_Bills86]

So there was and has been this stigma that players don't want to come to B-Lo for multiple reasons. One of the most important things that McD and Beane did was really change that. I don't see it posted on here often but one of the biggest sales pitches (not The Process) is actually the following line:

 

"Come to Buffalo, and be the best you that you can be."

 

They also truly believe in starting the best player regardless of salary or past performance. Spots are up for grabs if you prove you are worth it. There is also the push and clearly visible "family" of the team. You as a player are not the only ones welcome - but your whole family. 

 

What they have done in the past 4 years is nothing short of a miracle. 

[Captain Hindsight]

8 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

They are two different types of receivers but Justin Jefferson is going to be a better WR than Diggs and may already be. Contract is better for 5 year. So I don't really know if it silences the trade skeptics honestly.

This trade is 100% a win win

 

If the Bills had stayed put, they could have gotten Jefferson and maybe that would have worked well. They also could have gotten Jalen Reagor.

 

If you think your team is good enough, go get your guy. For years we convinced ourselves it was too expensive to go get a QB in the draft and we had too many holes. Screw that! They made the playoffs and blew it all up to get a QB they could dominate with! Be aggressive, thats how you win in this league 

[Don Otreply]

Yah, anyone who thinks Buffalo gave up to much on this trade, or thought Diggs would not fit in and grow with this team is an idiot. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[dma0034]

6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

3rd or 4th and short with the game on the line.... which one are you picking? its a no brainer for me.

 

In one situation? Yes. Who do you want in the red zone? Who stretches the field? Whose contract would you like? 

They have the same yardage right now. Jefferson has 3 more TDs and he is a rookie, imagine what he will do in the next few years

[rwh1970]

Did you see his block on the Knox touchdown - a Diva never would have made that play - then he was celebrating with Knox.  A winner and team guy from that view

[atlbillsfan1975]

Diggs is the right guy for this team. We needed an edgy( for lack of better term) guy who wants to win. We have a lot of nice guys who want to win. 

[mannc]

11 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

They are two different types of receivers but Justin Jefferson is going to be a better WR than Diggs and may already be. Contract is better for 5 year. So I don't really know if it silences the trade skeptics honestly.

Jefferson is a top rookie of year candidate.  No one in MN regrets the trade...But it was a good trade for Bills too.  No guarantee they would have used the pick on JJ...

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

In one situation? Yes. Who do you want in the red zone? Who stretches the field? Whose contract would you like? 

They have the same yardage right now. Jefferson has 3 more TDs and he is a rookie, imagine what he will do in the next few years

Who knows, could be Sammy Watkins. Jefferson and Diggs appear to be great. I will take the one with the longer track record for a team trying to win right now.

Edited December 9, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[LeviF]

Diggs is one of the best in the business.  This trade worked out well for both sides.

 

As an aside, I love watching Diggs stick his hand in a defender's face once or twice a game as he goes out of bounds and jaw at the dude.  That kind of attitude combined with his talent takes you far in football.

[dollars 2 donuts]

17 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

They are two different types of receivers but Justin Jefferson is going to be a better WR than Diggs and may already be. Contract is better for 5 year. So I don't really know if it silences the trade skeptics honestly.

 

14 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

3rd or 4th and short with the game on the line.... which one are you picking? its a no brainer for me.

 

...

 

thinking...

 

...OK, I am comfortable now in saying this.

 

This is no slur to anybody else, but I am more than 50 years old and I have been watching football my entire life.

 

Stefon Diggs is the greatest receiver I have ever seen...at getting open.

Edited December 9, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

In one situation? Yes. Who do you want in the red zone? Who stretches the field? Whose contract would you like? 

They have the same yardage right now. Jefferson has 3 more TDs and he is a rookie, imagine what he will do in the next few years

 

Redzone? Diggs. Stretch the field? Diggs. Who do I want to run the deep over out of the slot? Justin Jefferson. He is already, I think, the best in the league at that route he kills defenders on it. But regardless, I'd still take the trade. Even if the Bills loved Jefferson more than I did - he was an unknown. This team needed an established proven #1 guy where they were in the development. I don't think Jefferson transforms this offense the way Diggs has.

[Stank_Nasty]

5 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

In one situation? Yes. Who do you want in the red zone? Who stretches the field? Whose contract would you like? 

They have the same yardage right now. Jefferson has 3 more TDs and he is a rookie, imagine what he will do in the next few years

we dont know what he'll do. Diggs is a known commodity and brings things to the team that only a vet can bring and they arent measured in statistics. What do both do for the others in their scheme? in the locker room? situational ball..... looking at just stats and contracts is such a narrow minded point of view.

 

Jefferson may have all that in 4 years....IMO he doesnt now and this team wants to win NOW.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[ngbills]

Of course I and any reasonable Bills fan is happy with Diggs this year. I think he has been better than advertised. But I dont think many had an issue with him as a player. It was the more about the value of the trade.

 

Diggs - his age and cost

1st Round WR - age and cost

 

You make a bet based on the risk reward tradeoff. It turns out the Bills could have drafted Justin Jefferson. He could have been a bust but has proven to be legit. So the Bills could wind up on the losing end of the trade. Even if they are equal players JJ is coming at a much lower price tag. But regardless you get what need in Diggs so any reasonable person would be fine with it. Its more of a win win than having one side be a loser. 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Redzone? Diggs. Stretch the field? Diggs. Who do I want to run the deep over out of the slot? Justin Jefferson. He is already, I think, the best in the league at that route he kills defenders on it. But regardless, I'd still take the trade. Even if the Bills loved Jefferson more than I did - he was an unknown. This team needed an established proven #1 guy where they were in the development. I don't think Jefferson transforms this offense the way Diggs has.

100% this

[Bronxbomber21]

15 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

They are two different types of receivers but Justin Jefferson is going to be a better WR than Diggs and may already be. Contract is better for 5 year. So I don't really know if it silences the trade skeptics honestly.

Allen needed a true #1 wr and vet thats a leader not a rookie thats going against teams  #2 cbs

[ALLEN1QB]

I sure dig diggs!

[Stank_Nasty]

4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

...

 

thinking...

 

...OK, I am comfortable now in saying this.

 

This is no slur to anybody else, but I am more than 50 years old and I have been watching football my entire life.

 

Stefon Diggs is the greatest receiver I have ever seen...at getting open.

i'm with you man. after i posed the question i started thinking about the whole NFL..... i may take diggs over ANYONE in that spot.

[aristocrat]

How is Jefferson's blocking?  He is sure putting up the yards but Diggs is the whole package right now and being a vet has certainly helped Allen understand the game.  Cousins as a vet has sure helped Jefferson along with the game where Allen probably couldn't do that.  win win trade

[RochesterLifer]

20 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

They are two different types of receivers but Justin Jefferson is going to be a better WR than Diggs and may already be. Contract is better for 5 year. So I don't really know if it silences the trade skeptics honestly.

This is pure bullhockey. When I read ridiculous statements like this, I tend to believe the writer is merely drawing attention to him/herself and not being serious about football thoughts.

[dma0034]

Jefferson is already very good at running routes (not as good as Diggs). He is better in the Red Zone. He is cheaper and has more potential than Diggs. I'm not saying Diggs is bad by any means I'm not. This is a rare situation where you traded for a top 10 WR and traded away the pick that went towards a WR that will probably will be a top 5 WR in 2 years (he's that talented). Jefferson is going to finish the season with: 80 catches, 1300 yards and 10 TDs.  Those are crazy numbers! Only Boldin and Moss will finish with better rookie seasons.

[dollars 2 donuts]

5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

i'm with you man. after i posed the question i started thinking about the whole NFL..... i may take diggs over ANYONE in that spot.

 

 

Stanky I don't know about your physical skills, but I do know mine and I swear to you that when I watch him on some plays he makes other professionals whose job it is to cover him look like me in trying to do it.  

 

It's like slow motion.

 

It's like they are standing still and maybe they have never stepped on a football field before that play.

 

Really.  Really it is.  

 

For those of you who don't already know what we are talking about, go look at some of the tape.  

Edited December 9, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts

[Don Otreply]

Just now, dma0034 said:

 

In one situation? Yes. Who do you want in the red zone? Who stretches the field? Whose contract would you like? 

They have the same yardage right now. Jefferson has 3 more TDs and he is a rookie, imagine what he will do in the next few years

I never care about contracts, don’t know why fans torture themselves with that nonsense. Fit and performance along with the win loss record is the only currency that matters , every thing else, smh.

 

As to who got the better of the deal, well, look at the two teams records pre and post trade. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[dma0034]

2 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said:

This is pure bullhockey. When I read ridiculous statements like this, I tend to believe the writer is merely drawing attention to him/herself and not being serious about football thoughts.

 

 

Of the 3 major WR stats: Yardage, TDs and catches: Jefferson is ahead of Diggs on two of them

[billybrew1]

I don't know what Jefferson is doing in Minny, but Diggs is the guy the Bills turn to when they need to get the W.

Yes, Beasley too, but Diggs gets us so many important yards to key wins. Diggs and s a clutch difference maker that Josh Allen routinely relies on.

Beane wanted to make certain Josh had what he needed to turn into a franchise QB and there is nothing wrong with doing everything you can to ensure your QBs development; it was the smart way to go.

Dont take chances with your QB's development.

[Kwai San]

Right player right time.  As I am sure JJ would have been a decent fit would he have brought the intangibles to the Bills RIGHT NOW?  Nope.  Diggs has made the O that much better.  Everyone around him has improved due to his presence.  Call me crazy but I just don't see a rook bring that to the table....not year 1, not year 2.

[Don Otreply]

Just now, dma0034 said:

 

 

Of the 3 major WR stats: Yardage, TDs and catches: Jefferson is ahead of Diggs on two of them

Doesn’t matter, because they are a mediocre team with a good rookie wide out. Lots of guys on iffy teams have good individual stats, look at the Cowboys.... even with Dak...

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Allen needed a true #1 wr and vet thats a leader not a rookie thats going against teams  #2 cbs

 

He has made some plays against #1 corners but it is true he has often drawn the #2 guy and goes against #3s plenty too. He has been about 35% in the slot as of the last breakdown I saw. He has been much better outside than I thought his college tape was though. Now admittedly most of his snaps for LSU in 2019 were slot reps so you were digging back two year for much tape on him outside. Maybe he just really came on in that time between. He has been legit, no question about it.

 

I think both teams got what they needed. Minnesota needed some cap room and a wide receiver who was gonna come cheap the next 5 years. The bills need an established #1 to change the way teams played coverage against them and who Josh Allen could look to in crunch situations and know he would beat his man - whether that be the TD in Arizona of the 4th down conversion the other night. I think the moment Brandon Beane realised he needed that guy came at the end of the Baltimore game last year. John Brown is a fine player. He had a great 2019 season.... but when Josh out a ball right on the money at the end of that Ravens game to win the Bills the game it went incomplete because John Brown didn't get off press. You need a guy that in those situations wins. And there are not many in the NFL who win in that situation more frequently than Stefon Diggs. Elite route runner.

[Kwai San]

3 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

 

Of the 3 major WR stats: Yardage, TDs and catches: Jefferson is ahead of Diggs on two of them

 

This game is SO much more than stats.  What about the record?  Not even looking nor knowing what Minny is doing I would go out on a limb and say the Bills record is better.  That to me and I am sure to Diggs and MANY other players in that Bills locker room is more important......stats are for losers.  Wins are for winners.....

[DrDawkinstein]

16 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

...

 

thinking...

 

...OK, I am comfortable now in saying this.

 

This is no slur to anybody else, but I am more than 50 years old and I have been watching football my entire life.

 

Stefon Diggs is the greatest receiver I have ever seen...at getting open.

 

I had heard for years that the problem with the Bills receivers was they couldnt get open because they "couldnt create space". I kinda understood in theory what that meant, but always thought "how much difference can there be? it must be the play design that is bad".

 

But then I watch Beasley and especially Diggs work, and I'm like Ooohhhhh, THAT's what they mean.

[Rk_Bills86]

Anyone that might be saying - OH we could have had Jefferson with our first round pick....

 

1) There was no way of knowing he would be there when we picked

2) There was no way of knowing he would actually be as good as he is

3) As is the case with almost all rookie WRs, he has limitations as a pro - but he has 100% taken advantage of his situation and having Cousins certainly helps (it's not like he's on the Jags/Bear/Jets where the QB situation is..... poor)

 

Trading for a proven 26 yr old and seeing immediate returns not only from his own production but what it has done to increase the production of the team makes us the overall winner. I'd also like to add.... for a rookie as our number 4 WR Davis is having a stellar season :

 

25 rec for 422 yds and 5 tds (Not exactly a slouch for rookie stats)

 

For quick comparison Jefferson is 61 rec for 1039 yds and 7 tds.... While it's not fair to do a strait extrapolation and comparison, just for fun - if we bump Davis up to 50 catches his stat line comes to 50 rec for 850 yds and 10 tds - not a fair comparison but still.

 

We got Diggs AND Davis. Frankly we're stacked.

[Meatloaf63]

9 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

 

Of the 3 major WR stats: Yardage, TDs and catches: Jefferson is ahead of Diggs on two of them

What are the stats of the other receivers on each team, who’s drawing more coverage, who’s making others better on the field, who’s offense is performing better week in and week out ? It’s not as simple as you make it out to be. 

[dma0034]

6 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

This game is SO much more than stats.  What about the record?  Not even looking nor knowing what Minny is doing I would go out on a limb and say the Bills record is better.  That to me and I am sure to Diggs and MANY other players in that Bills locker room is more important......stats are for losers.  Wins are for winners.....

 

We are taking about individuals not team. Unless you are talking about a QB I doubt a single player changes a 6-6 club into a 9-3 club. The Bills are 9-3 with Diggs not because of Diggs

[Matt_In_NH]

Both sides won.  The Vikings needed salary cap room and got good value for Diggs.  The first rounder has paid off about as good as it could in the first year, they slam dunked that pick but at the time the trade was made that was not knowable, they could have gotten a dud there.   Not sure you will find people that would reverse that trade on either side, it was a win win.

[Kwai San]

Just now, dma0034 said:

 

We are taking about individuals not team. Unless you are talking about a QB I doubt a single player changes a 6-6 club into a 9-3 club. The Bills are 9-3 with Diggs not because of Diggs

 

You miss my point entirely.  Diggs is making the team that much better....attention has to be focused on him opening up the rest of the options for JA.  We could argue this into the ground and back but bottom line I prefer Diggs proven commodity over JJ.  We can agree to disagree.....

[dma0034]

2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

What are the stats of the other receivers on each team, who’s drawing more coverage, who’s making others better on the field, who’s offense is performing better week in and week out ? It’s not as simple as you make it out to be. 

 

Beasley has more yards and catches than Theilen. This isn't including John Brown. 

 

It's very clear many of you haven't watched Justin Jefferson play. 

[Meatloaf63]

Just now, dma0034 said:

 

Beasley has more yards and catches than Theilen. This isn't including John Brown. 

 

It's very clear many of you haven't watched Justin Jefferson play. 

It’s very clear you don’t understand the whole situation, and that we have better options than just throwing it to Diggs on every play. You don’t understand how valuable it is to be able to lean on more than just one player. What’s Minnesota’s record by the way?