Saints to start Taysom Hill over Jameis Winston

[Nitro]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

My mind still boggles.

 

Why does anyone think a 30 year old man who has thrown 18 passes with 56% completion in his 4 year NFL career "has a chance" to be the successor to a QB who has played at the highest level for 15 years with multiple probowl appearances, 1st team all-pro, Superbowl win, 2 additional conference champion appearances, 8 playoff appearances.

No offense to Taysom Hill, but to date, he hasn't shown any indication he's fit to hold Brees cleats or jock, much less succeed him.  And the clock is against him - he's no "spring chicken".

Now that said, the Saints run game is arguably the best aspect of their offense currently, and their D is good.  I can see them wanting to play ball-control, grind-it-out offense with a guy who can pass just enough to keep the opponent off them. 

 

But Atlanta actually has a pretty good run D based on yards given up, and almost bottom of the league for passing yards.  Choosing to grind it out against them, might be like mounting a run-heavy defense against the SeaSnakes and while going pass-happy against NE.

Because the head coach really likes him.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 11/20/2020 at 9:12 AM, 78thealltimegreat said:

I’m not surprised Sean Payton loves this kid and wouldn’t be surprised if they just tell Jamies this didn’t workout the way we thought 

 

Why are you "not surprised Sean Payton loves this kid"?

 

BTW Kid is 30 yrs old...

[PetermansRedemption]

49 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Well, at $4800, I've got Taysom in my Draft Kings lineup, which means he isn't going to do jack ***** tomorrow 🙃

I thought about putting him in, but I just can’t have any confidence in him in comparison to a guy like Joe Burrow who isn’t much more expensive. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 11/20/2020 at 1:15 PM, JohnNord said:

I’ll never get the hatred that some fans and the media have for Hill.  Everyone he touches the ball, people want to point how much he sucks.  He hasn’t exactly blown me away his play either but I can accept that he is what he is - a gadget player.  I just don’t feel he should be as polarizing as he currently has been

 

How many gadget players are given a 2 year, $21M contract with $17.4M guaranteed?  Or have their teams HC talking about him as the QB successor to a HOF guy?

 

To whom much is given, Much is expected.

[stuvian]

how old was Steve Young when he took over in SF?

 

do you think Sean Payton will make an ass of himself on national tv? I don't

[aristocrat]

I’m going to this game tomorrow I’ll let ya know how he looks live 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[njbuff]

36 minutes ago, stuvian said:

how old was Steve Young when he took over in SF?

 

do you think Sean Payton will make an ass of himself on national tv? I don't

Young really became the full time guy in 1991 when Montana got hurt.

 

Young was 30 when he got the job full time.

[stuvian]

23 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Young really became the full time guy in 1991 when Montana got hurt.

 

Young was 30 when he got the job full time.

so 30 isn't that old really

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, stuvian said:

how old was Steve Young when he took over in SF?

 

He was 30, but the analogy breaks down right there.  Young had started 3 games per season his first 3 seasons with SFO.  Two of those 3 years, he had passr ratings of 120.  In that 3rd season, at age 28, he had a 69.6% completion % that was remarkable for 1989, and threw for 1001 yds and 8 TDs - again, remarkable for a 3 game stretch in that era.

 

So by the time Young was 30, we all had a pretty durn good idea he could get it done as a QB.

 

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do you think Sean Payton will make an ass of himself on national tv? I don't

 

I don't think Sean Payton intends to make an ass of himself on national TV.  Do you think McDermott intended to make an ass of himself on national TV starting Peterman?

 

2 minutes ago, stuvian said:

so 30 isn't that old really

 

For a guy who has never, not once, shown he can play a single game in the NFL? 

Yeah, it is.  And Steve Young really doesn't prove to the contrary (see above)

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, stuvian said:

how old was Steve Young when he took over in SF?

 

do you think Sean Payton will make an ass of himself on national tv? I don't

 

Taysom Hill is the next Steve Young?

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

But Atlanta actually has a pretty good run D based on yards given up, and almost bottom of the league for passing yards.  Choosing to grind it out against them, might be like mounting a run-heavy defense against the SeaSnakes and while going pass-happy against NE.

 

Maybe Coach McD should call Sean and give some friendly advice ....

33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think Sean Payton intends to make an ass of himself on national TV.  Do you think McDermott intended to make an ass of himself on national TV starting Peterman?

 

 

I think McDermott took bad advice from OC who took a stand on hill and he died as Bills coach on it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

I think McDermott took bad advice from OC who took a stand on hill and he died as Bills coach on it.

 

I think you're right.....but that doesn't explain why he doubled down on Peterman the following season

That guy must be "Catnip for Coaches" at the whiteboard or something, I swear it.

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you're right.....but that doesn't explain why he doubled down on Peterman the following season

That guy must be "Catnip for Coaches" at the whiteboard or something, I swear it.

 

Well Cinci guy (who was not first choice) got injured and then did not make effort to try to get starting QB role anymore.

P5t5rman looked good in camp and preseason but he just does not have it at game speed. 

Josh was a QB who needed development time for best career.  

Playbook WAS very complicated and hard for rookie to pick up.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

Well Cinci guy (who was not first choice) got injured and then did not make effort to try to get starting QB role anymore.

P5t5rman looked good in camp and preseason but he just does not have it at game speed. 

 

I agree completely, but it does seem as though there should have been more effort put into bringing in someone else, earlier. 

 

[Chicken Boo]

5 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I thought about putting him in, but I just can’t have any confidence in him in comparison to a guy like Joe Burrow who isn’t much more expensive. 

 

Ha!  My only other lineup has Burrow. 👍🏾

[Punching Bag]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree completely, but it does seem as though there should have been more effort put into bringing in someone else, earlier. 

 

 

I remember discussion at time and there were not a lot of good choices.  Anderson was mentioned but he told media he had retired.  

[njbuff]

15 hours ago, stuvian said:

so 30 isn't that old really

 

Not for a QB.

 

Credit to Young for waiting his turn on a perennial contender.

 

 

[NoSaint]

Final prediction: any given Sunday he’s a huge wild card. He’s late on reads, and not terribly accurate. Some weeks will be ugly.
 

But he will occasionally hit the chunk play. Probably a 100-150 yards average kind of guy but occasionally a bigger day. 

 

even with small ball this team can win some games. 

[Simon]

46 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

even with small ball this team can win some games. 

I don't watch them often enough to really know, but from what I have seen out of that franchise recently I have a really hard time trusting that defense if it's not playing with a lead.

[NoSaint]

Just now, Simon said:

I don't watch them often enough to really know, but from what I have seen out of that franchise recently I have a really hard time trusting that defense if it's not playing with a lead.

they run hot/cold. When on they can be elite. Averaging like 15 points allowed since start of October.

 

even last year - teddy b got a lot of credit but they beat Dallas without scoring a touchdown during that stretch. 

[jlgarsh]

Hill should have had a TD pass a few minutes ago but Michael Thomas dropped a well thrown ball that hit him in the hands. He’s had some good throws and terrible ones today, but that was a brutal drop by Thomas.

[NoSaint]

24 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

Hill should have had a TD pass a few minutes ago but Michael Thomas dropped a well thrown ball that hit him in the hands. He’s had some good throws and terrible ones today, but that was a brutal drop by Thomas.

the drop was ugly but they happen to all qbs. 
 

so far it’s about the game I expected. He just happened to hit the wild deep throw so it looks a bit better on paper. But that was My big qualifier- he heaves erratic deep balls that sometimes happen to be caught because it’s hard to defend a deep ball 25 yards off target but with just enough loft for a receiver to see and react to. That Minnesota playoff game had one too.  

[Billsfan1972]

He's no Peterman.

 

Obviously like many on TSW, people have made their minds up about him and want to see him fail.

 

Looks like an NFL QB to me.  

[y2zipper]

Yeah they're getting a good game from him here.

 

I don't think he can recognize all the zone coverages but he's making quick decisions and isn't going to throw them out of games like Winston might.

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

He's no Peterman.

 

Obviously like many on TSW, people have made their minds up about him and want to see him fail.

 

Looks like an NFL QB to me.  

he’s consistently been standing back there slow on the reads, and his biggest pass might be the worst throw of the day by any nfl qb. 

 

hes grinding out a Tebow-esque game so far. But Tebow won quite a few playing safe with a good defense. And that works for a month here.

That TD throw was awful too. 
 

the dude heaves some balls downfield though 

[Billsfan1972]

28 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

he’s consistently been standing back there slow on the reads, and his biggest pass might be the worst throw of the day by any nfl qb. 

 

hes grinding out a Tebow-esque game so far. But Tebow won quite a few playing safe with a good defense. And that works for a month here.

That TD throw was awful too. 
 

the dude heaves some balls downfield though 

You don't like him.... I get it....  Again were you a Peterman fan?  First game 2 TD's, 77% completion %, 225 yards to date, one dropped TD, another bomb TD called back by penalty.

 

What more do you want?

[Not at the table Karlos]

Looks like it’s paying off starting him in fantasy this week with josh on a bye

[NoSaint]

46 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You don't like him.... I get it....  Again were you a Peterman fan?  First game 2 TD's, 77% completion %, 225 yards to date, one dropped TD, another bomb TD called back by penalty.

 

What more do you want?

 

as a saints season ticket holder I’m more invested in his success than anyone here. And like having the guy on the team. 
 

he played a good game from a backup qb.
 

but that TD called back was very much underthrown.... and if giving him credit for plays called back can I take off credit for that deep ball where the punter could’ve gotten it there more accurately? Late and behind are common issues he’s had and those were still on display today.

 

wasnt a peterman fan - didn’t think he had the arm no matter what college or pre-season stats were or what a good guy he is 

 

enjoyed fitz- didn’t think he or that season with the fast start was sustainable because of skill concerns 
 

like taysom a lot as a player, but not as a franchise qb. 

Edited November 22, 2020 by NoSaint

[Doc]

Still not impressed.  But I'll give him the rest of the season and gladly eat crow if I turn out to be wrong. 

[NoSaint]

18 minutes ago, Doc said:

Still not impressed.  But I'll give him the rest of the season and gladly eat crow if I turn out to be wrong. 

 

put another way, if the season ended today, and he was a free agent- no one would be handing him a starting job but all 32 clubs would be glad to have the guy on their roster in some role. 

[Teddy KGB]

Lmao @ mike Thomas owners crying before the game started.   
 

Best Thomas game of the year 🤣

[QCity]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

Still not impressed.  But I'll give him the rest of the season and gladly eat crow if I turn out to be wrong. 

 

I'm guessing he gets 2 more games, including another one against that generous Atlanta D.  Credit the offensive gameplan for hiding his passing limitations, but that's the type of player than when you "make him be a QB" will fall apart real quick.

[Big Turk]

I picked him up in one of my leagues and put him in at TE...nice 15 point boost over what Hockinson gave me...

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

put another way, if the season ended today, and he was a free agent- no one would be handing him a starting job but all 32 clubs would be glad to have the guy on their roster in some role. 

 

For sure.  But for what salary is the question?  At $16M, like he'll make next year, no way.

 

18 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

I'm guessing he gets 2 more games, including another one against that generous Atlanta D.  Credit the offensive gameplan for hiding his passing limitations, but that's the type of player than when you "make him be a QB" will fall apart real quick.

 

Yup.  And credit the NO defense for holding Atlanta to just 9 points.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

OK, I'm not prepared to eat a crow pie on Taysom Hill just yet.  I'd like to see him face a better team first, and I only saw pieces of the game

But I will roll out a pie crust and have it ready to go in the freezer.

 

He generated far more passing offense than I thought he would

 

NO defense is FIERCE though

 

 

 

 

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

For sure.  But for what salary is the question?  At $16M, like he'll make next year, no way.

 

 

Yup.  And credit the NO defense for holding Atlanta to just 9 points.

the salary and role are always where these get dicey. People act like I’m a hater and then say they’d give him like $5m plus incentives to essentially be what he’s been in Nola prior to this.

[y2zipper]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

he’s consistently been standing back there slow on the reads, and his biggest pass might be the worst throw of the day by any nfl qb. 

 

hes grinding out a Tebow-esque game so far. But Tebow won quite a few playing safe with a good defense. And that works for a month here.

That TD throw was awful too. 
 

the dude heaves some balls downfield though 

 

I think he has a better arm than tebow but I agree that this will work for a month with NO playing good defense and safe offense. But I think you'll see teams play more zone against him soon. He doesn't recognize where zone defenders are all the time.

 

[MJS]

Hill threw it a lot in college. He has been used as a gadget player in the NFL. But I don't see why some think he can't throw it. I thought he threw the ball pretty well, minus a few bad decisions.

 

Before this game he had barely thrown it at all in the NFL. I don't see why he is such a polarizing player. Some people seem to hate him for no reason.

 

My only issue with him is he is already 30 years old. He isn't the long term answer once Brees retires. If he was 25 it would look like a real possibility.

Edited November 22, 2020 by MJS

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hill threw it a lot in college. He has been used as a gadget player in the NFL. But I don't see why some think he can't throw it. I thought he threw the ball pretty well, minus a few bad decisions.

 

Before this game he had barely thrown it at all in the NFL. I don't see why he is such a polarizing player. Some people seem to hate him for no reason.

 

My only issue with him is he is already 30 years old. He isn't the long term answer once Brees retires. If he was 25 it would look like a real possibility.

 

You don't necessarily have to hate a player to think he doesn't have what it takes to play in the NFL.  Hill isn't in the AFC, much less AFC East, and he doesn't get into trouble or make controversial statements, so there's no reason to hate him.