Ramza86 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Keep the Chiefs running and keep their score low. They did everything they wanted and we had the ball with a chance to get a lead in the 4th. Also said if we had any run game we probably win that game. I thought he had a good point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 This is why I've been mentioning the offense in tonight's loss, not the defense. If Allen is better than terrible, maybe we win. We would definitely have had a shot. We almost had a shot as it is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Yea the Bills, who were atrocious on both sides of the ball and got dominated all game (despite the score) are the ones who came up with a blueprint. Not the team that just beat them last week and put up 40 on their D. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 i was saying it all 2nd half. KC was keeping us in the game by running so much. i would’ve been pissed as a Chiefs fan. they could’ve had their way with us throwing too and been up by a bigger margin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) I think we’d have a slightly better opinion of the defense if this was one-off game against KC. The offense, honestly, are the ones who lost this game. That being said, the offense has carried us to a 4-2 record and the defense has done nothing but be a highly paid albatross on the season so far. In a vacuum... Fine. I’ll be generous.. The defense was a C against KC. They’ve been an F against everyone not named the Jets. They were manhandled like rag dolls and vomited all over themselves in clutch moments and this is what people seem to think was their best non-Jets performance of the year?... Probably true. Probably still embarrassing for so many highly paid players. Edited October 20, 2020 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 We showed the league how to beat the Ravens too. Unfortunately, we are the ones to show people how, while losing ourselves. I was saying this earlier, but this is the game plan I thought they may deploy on defense. Give up the ground to limit/stop the pass. If they could’ve held them to more field goals and gotten off the field on 3rd down, it may have worked. Unfortunately, our offense has been asleep since we beat Vegas and our defense is pretty poor overall. As per usual, we give a blueprint that someone else will perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 So the way to beat the Chiefs is to let them run for 7 yards per carry let them not actually have to use their passing attack keep your offense off the field so you don't have a shot to score tire your defense the hell out Only have the Ball for 20 minutes so if you punt twice your SOL. If the game is close and your defense needs a huge stop they are gassed from being on the field for over 35 mintues already. Seems like an awful strategy. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Chiefs secondary was holding and grabbing on every play, they called some, but on others thew off the timing on the passing game. Credit to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Lets not act like if we adjusted and shut down the run that mahomes and them wouldnt have gashed us across the middle all game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Okay...we played horrid defensively...giving up a ton of yards. But it is true. We held KC to 26 points. Defensively we held Mahomes in check. He even said post game it doesn't matter how they win as long as they win. Unfortunately, our offense was off again and had it not been, we could have won the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This is why I've been mentioning the offense in tonight's loss, not the defense. If Allen is better than terrible, maybe we win. We would definitely have had a shot. We almost had a shot as it is. Allen wasn't terrible. Both drives in the first half to give us 10 points were the result of a couple of great throws and runs. His 4th quarter drive to cut the led to 6 was a thing of beauty. Did Allen play well? No. But not playing well is a lot different then playing terribly. While the defense kept the Mahomes from throwing the ball all over the field they did at the expense of over 250 yards rushing and nearly 40 minutes TOP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Chiefs secondary was holding and grabbing on every play, they called some, but on others thew off the timing on the passing game. Credit to them I said to my buddy, while watching, it’s like the old school Louisville Pitino Defense. Hand check all the time. They’ll call some if it, but won’t call all of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) December 9, 2019: https://www.buffalobills.com/news/quote-sheet-no-moral-victories-for-the-bills-after-a-tough-loss-to-baltimore October 19, 2020 https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/19/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-makes-clear-moral-victories-over-kansas-city-chiefs/ I predict we'll have another "no moral victories" comment by the end of the season. Edited October 20, 2020 by BillsVet 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This is why I've been mentioning the offense in tonight's loss, not the defense. If Allen is better than terrible, maybe we win. We would definitely have had a shot. We almost had a shot as it is. If we can block, allow him some time or maybe even run the ball a little, we have a shot. Allen wasn’t good by any means, but if he had better opportunities it might have ended differently. We lost that game largely on the line of scrimmage. That’s where games are won and lost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: So the way to beat the Chiefs is to let them run for 7 yards per carry let them not actually have to use their passing attack keep your offense off the field so you don't have a shot to score tire your defense the hell out Only have the Ball for 20 minutes so if you punt twice your SOL. If the game is close and your defense needs a huge stop they are gassed from being on the field for over 35 mintues already. Seems like an awful strategy. No...when our offense is on the field we need to sustain drives and score touchdowns. We didn't do that part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Allen wasn't terrible. Both drives in the first half to give us 10 points were the result of a couple of great throws and runs. His 4th quarter drive to cut the led to 6 was a thing of beauty. Did Allen play well? No. But not playing well is a lot different then playing terribly. While the defense kept the Mahomes from throwing the ball all over the field they did at the expense of over 250 yards rushing and nearly 40 minutes TOP. Allen was terrible. I really, really like Allen’s future here and won’t dwell on this one. I thought he played ok against Tennessee, and the criticism he received for that game was unfair. but tonight... no excuses.. Allen was awful for most of the game. 3 minutes ago, Augie said: If we can block, allow him some time or maybe even run the ball a little, we have a shot. Allen wasn’t good by any means, but if he had better opportunities it might have ended differently. We lost that game largely on the line of scrimmage. That’s where games are won and lost. They sent heavy blitzes and Allen, like against Baltimore, wouldn’t make them pay. Hit a WIDE OPEN Singletary on the jailbreak all out blitz and they’ll stop doing it. Edited October 20, 2020 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, jkeerie said: No...when our offense is on the field we need to sustain drives and score touchdowns. We didn't do that part. SO the Bills score another Touchdown. Are we all pretending like Mahomes didn't have wide open WRs all game long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This is why I've been mentioning the offense in tonight's loss, not the defense. If Allen is better than terrible, maybe we win. We would definitely have had a shot. We almost had a shot as it is. They play off coverage cover 3, and we run it for 2 yards. That is an issue too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Keep the Chiefs running and keep their score low. They did everything they wanted and we had the ball with a chance to get a lead in the 4th. Also said if we had any run game we probably win that game. I thought he had a good point. Ah.....I think the team with the blueprint is the team that beat them. We gave up 9 - NINE - third down conversions to them. We couldn't get them off the field. SMH and Yeah, a run game would help 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, CountDorkula said: SO the Bills score another Touchdown. Are we all pretending like Mahomes didn't have wide open WRs all game long? He did...but they were short receptions. We kept our safeties deep to protect against the big play. That made KC have to sustain long drives. That strategy works if you can do likewise. We didn't. So instead of matching them TD for TD, we came up 9 pts short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Yes and No, basically by playing a let them run bend don't break game you basically limit yourself to 7-8 possessions which might deflate KC's scoring but it also puts immense pressure on your offense. McD gambled that Josh and the running game could score at least 3 on about every drive. Given that KC probably given 7-8 possessions can still score well into the 20's you basically need 3 points on average every time out from your offense just to keep it close. I think you are better off trying to play aggressive on defense and force sack/turnovers as opposed to hoping they eat away at the clock and you can hold them to field goals? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, jkeerie said: No...when our offense is on the field we need to sustain drives and score touchdowns. We didn't do that part. That is correct. But all offenses get 3 and outs. The correct thing when an offense gets a 3 and out, is for the D to get a 3 and out or 6 and out and give the offense the ball back to try again. We didn't do that part. Look at the Raiders game. They punted after 3 and 5 plays in the 3Q. Difference is, their D got them the ball right back LV punt...KC punt...LV punt....KC punt...LV TD....KC punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, jkeerie said: He did...but they were short receptions. We kept our safeties deep to protect against the big play. That made KC have to sustain long drives. That strategy works if you can do likewise. We didn't. So instead of matching them TD for TD, we came up 9 pts short. In the first half it worked. The team was a Bass miss from being tied or down 1 (if KC makes their Extra point.) Hell the defense even stopped KC when they got the ball to start the half. It was the two punts in Q3 that killed the team's chances. Hell if that fumble stood the team would have had the ball deep in KC territory down 6 with about 5 minutes left in the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, jkeerie said: He did...but they were short receptions. We kept our safeties deep to protect against the big play. That made KC have to sustain long drives. That strategy works if you can do likewise. We didn't. So instead of matching them TD for TD, we came up 9 pts short. Okay. so the Chiefs have been gashing you for 7 8 10 15 yard runs all game long. now all of the sudden the start using play action and your LBs and safeties are going top bite at that and guess what The Chiefs offense is still on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: McD better be careful. I'm sure his locker room schtick is getting tiresome. What, they might not trust the "process" anymore? Come on man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, jkeerie said: No...when our offense is on the field we need to sustain drives and score touchdowns. We didn't do that part. We tried to force a power run game up the gut with singletary for 2 1/2 quarters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 You don't get to claim any "blueprint" when you lose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That is correct. But all offenses get 3 and outs. The correct thing when an offense gets a 3 and out, is for the D to get a 3 and out or 6 and out and give the offense the ball back to try again. We didn't do that part. Look at the Raiders game. They punted after 3 and 5 plays in the 3Q. Difference is, their D got them the ball right back LV punt...KC punt...LV punt....KC punt...LV TD....KC punt Totally agree. That's what I mean when I say our defense played horrid. They made KC run the football. Unfortunately it didn't stop until they were in the end zone. We had the right blueprint...just the wrong builders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Totally agree. That's what I mean when I say our defense played horrid. They made KC run the football. Unfortunately it didn't stop until they were in the end zone. We had the right blueprint...just the wrong builders. Bills gameplan. Let them run for 7-9 yards per carry. Bills players: wont they score though? Coaches: Most likely, but as long as they don't get passing touchdowns its a win. Edited October 20, 2020 by CountDorkula 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Totally agree. That's what I mean when I say our defense played horrid. They made KC run the football. Unfortunately it didn't stop until they were in the end zone. We had the right blueprint...just the wrong builders. Fair. The right blueprint, poor execution. 8 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: You don't get to claim any "blueprint" when you lose. But this is still where I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Okay. so the Chiefs have been gashing you for 7 8 10 15 yard runs all game long. now all of the sudden the start using play action and your LBs and safeties are going top bite at that and guess what The Chiefs offense is still on the field. But they didn't do that. They didn't have to because at no point was our defense able to stop the gashing. No one is claiming our defense played well. The OP pointed out that the strategy of forcing KC to run the ball limited them to less than their usual 30 pts. A good defense would have been able to get off the field on third down and limit them even further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Keep the Chiefs running and keep their score low. They did everything they wanted and we had the ball with a chance to get a lead in the 4th. Also said if we had any run game we probably win that game. I thought he had a good point. Yup. All you have to do is run sprinklers to keep everything wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Augie said: If we can block, allow him some time or maybe even run the ball a little, we have a shot. Allen wasn’t good by any means, but if he had better opportunities it might have ended differently. We lost that game largely on the line of scrimmage. That’s where games are won and lost. Agree, we got killed at the los on both sides of the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Bills gameplan. Let them run for 7-9 yards per carry. Bills players: wont they score though? Coaches: Most likely, but as long as they don't get passing touchdowns its a win. Bills coaches: "Not if you stop them on third down or hold them to field goals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, jkeerie said: But they didn't do that. They didn't have to because at no point was our defense able to stop the gashing. No one is claiming our defense played well. The OP pointed out that the strategy of forcing KC to run the ball limited them to less than their usual 30 pts. A good defense would have been able to get off the field on third down and limit them even further. They scored 26 on a s*** weather night with a missed XP. lets not act like they held them to some magical under 15 points. The gameplan to let the Chiefs run all over you and keep an electric offense on the field as long as possible is an awful game plan no matter how you spin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, jkeerie said: But they didn't do that. They didn't have to because at no point was our defense able to stop the gashing. No one is claiming our defense played well. The OP pointed out that the strategy of forcing KC to run the ball limited them to less than their usual 30 pts. A good defense would have been able to get off the field on third down and limit them even further. We probably did create the blueprint. Just like we created the blueprint for Lamar. We just couldn't get it done. I love Josh Allen but this one is on his ego. You don't try to comple 30, 40, 50 yard bombs in those weather conditions regardless of the other QB challenging your arm. Especially when he says the furthest he can throw is 83 and you threw 85 at your proday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, jkeerie said: Bills coaches: "Not if you stop them on third down or hold them to field goals." You are rarely going to force a third down when you give up 6 yards per carry..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It was a rainy cold day. They were running it at will down our throats. if we were scoring on offense they wouldve been forced to air it out. And guess what? They wouldve been successful at that too. When they needed to make big 3rd down conversions in the air they did. There was no blueprint today. They dictated the game to us, not the other way around. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Yes and No, basically by playing a let them run bend don't break game you basically limit yourself to 7-8 possessions which might deflate KC's scoring but it also puts immense pressure on your offense. McD gambled that Josh and the running game could score at least 3 on about every drive. Given that KC probably given 7-8 possessions can still score well into the 20's you basically need 3 points on average every time out from your offense just to keep it close. I think you are better off trying to play aggressive on defense and force sack/turnovers as opposed to hoping they eat away at the clock and you can hold them to field goals? "They are who we thought they are, and we let them off the hook.". Dennis Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: You are rarely going to force a third down when you give up 6 yards per carry..... That's an average. We got them to a number of third and longs. Then we gave up the first down.😔 We did not play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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