MJS Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I think the real problem is the defensive line. If that got fixed I think we'd see Edmunds get better. He isn't a game breaker but if he has players around him doing their jobs and playing well he can be a good contributor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: Lol so you’re just benching Edmunds I’m surprised the Bills Have not called him directly for advice given the brilliance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, dlonce said: Edmunds is very young. He also has an injured shoulder, which is difficult for a linebacker. Shedding blocks and tackling with a bad shoulder is not a good thing. They should rest him unless it’s a chronic condition. What do you propose we do while we sit him vs the chiefs, seahawks and pats? trade for a MLB that doesn’t suck makes sense to me. He’s young. He’s a 3rd year starting MLB. If Josh Allen was playing like Edmunds was playing this year, we’d be looking for a new QB after this season if not prior. He hasn’t been “inexperienced and young bad”. He’s been “bad bad”. I hope that he improves. If he doesn’t, we should have a different MLB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I have the trade. Titans give up Correa and Bills give up a 5th. They then turn around and trade the Benched Spain to Carolina for a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Sometimes guys need a change of scenery. Hughes was a bust originally, too. As for Edmunds being a bust, it’s premature. He had a very strong year last year and is playing injured now. I suspect these knee jerk reactions are why none of us are managing a professional team. 😃 Once again the Titans would most likely trade him to an NFC team before trading him the Bills. I am not suggesting he is not any good, i am only saying your not going to help your direct competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: I’m surprised the Bills Have not called him directly for advice given the brilliance. He’s been horrible. Luckily for him, we have the worst backup LBs in the league, so benching him isn’t an option. I realize this. That’s why I said I’d bench him.....IF we traded for a MLB. Could it be the DLs fault that he’s been terrible? Possibly. could it be his lack of instincts that has led to his terrible play? Possibly. whatever the reason/s may be, it’s going to be tough to win a SB when our MLB is playing like he is. Constantly behind the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I have the trade. Titans give up Correa and Bills give up a 5th. They then turn around and trade the Benched Spain to Carolina for a 4th. After last nights OLine performance I’m not sure I’m trading Spain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 As much as I like Edmunds, he is playing replacement level football. Rarely does he make a play, which is rare when your a MLB. Amd routinely misses things. On Henry's first TD last night, he was in position on 2nd and goal to blow the play up for a big loss, but was turned sideways with his back to Henry. He was completely lost, hard to even understand what he was doing. If he's the QB of the defense, we better be looking for a new one next year. I believed the he is young excuse for awhile, but time has run out on that. This is year 3, and he's making year one mistakes. He routinely picks the wrong hole. He has terrible instincts, at a position that they're needed most and I don't know how you improve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: I don't think it's such a bad idea to let him sit and watch especially if his shoulder is still an issue and adding to his current awful play..... problem is they have absolutely nothing behind him. On the list of issues with this team Edmunds is near the bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: After last nights OLine performance I’m not sure I’m trading Spain. I am. He was Benched for a Reason. Ford has taken that LG spot and called it home. Winters moves back to the bench this week as Feliciano comes back from IR, and Spain is a tradable asset. 3 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: As much as I like Edmunds, he is playing replacement level football. Rarely does he make a play, which is rare when your a MLB. Amd routinely misses things. On Henry's first TD last night, he was in position on 2nd and goal to blow the play up for a big loss, but was turned sideways with his back to Henry. He was completely lost, hard to even understand what he was doing. If he's the QB of the defense, we better be looking for a new one next year. I believed the he is young excuse for awhile, but time has run out on that. This is year 3, and he's making year one mistakes. He routinely picks the wrong hole. He has terrible instincts, at a position that they're needed most and I don't know how you improve that. How do you know do you have the Run Fit sheets in front of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, dlonce said: Edmunds is very young. He also has an injured shoulder, which is difficult for a linebacker. Shedding blocks and tackling with a bad shoulder is not a good thing. They should rest him unless it’s a chronic condition. I'm not an Edmunds alarmist - but some of the biggest issues he's had have had nothing to do with his shoulder - more what's between his shoulders. It's his positioning and reading plays and being in the right place. So many times he seems to just be filling the wrong gap, overcommiting, or being two steps behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I am. He was Benched for a Reason. Ford has taken that LG spot and called it home. Winters moves back to the bench this week as Feliciano comes back from IR, and Spain is a tradable asset. How do you know do you have the Run Fit sheets in front of you? I went back and took a 2nd look at that play and have to say that your right. It looks like it was Tremaine's job to be where he was, which left another player with a clean shot in the hole at Henry. He was unblocked and went into Tremaines hole, which created a big hole for Henry. I think it was Klein, but couldn't tell. Makes me feel better, but the run fits as a hole, are a serious problem right now. Edited October 14, 2020 by Allen2Moulds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Process said: I'll be honest, I have absolutely no idea who this is. But he's a linebacker/passrusher, and it's impossible to be worse than what we have. Joe B also says we should do it. We have to do SOMETHING. Anyone know who this guy is? Should we make the trade ? Maybe he wasn't thrilled with the competitive advantage due to all the Steroids and other PEDs the returning Titans players where on. Hearing this this morning really pisses me off. What we really need is a replacement for Star. Edited October 14, 2020 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, stevewin said: I'm not an Edmunds alarmist - but some of the biggest issues he's had have had nothing to do with his shoulder - more what's between his shoulders. It's his positioning and reading plays and being in the right place. So many times he seems to just be filling the wrong gap, overcommiting, or being two steps behind. Again like I have said with others. You have no IDEA if this is true without the fits in front of you. I played the position defenses have started to go away with Read Run Fill Hole with RB going to. Instead more of Read Run, get to A gap on my left. My DT has B, my other LBer is scraping A other A. See unless you KNOW the assignment you cannot claim he is filling the wrong gap or overcommitting. What I do see is he cannot shed a block if they get to his right side, almost like he is playing with a Right shoulder injury and doesnt have full use of his right arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Again like I have said with others. You have no IDEA if this is true without the fits in front of you. I played the position defenses have started to go away with Read Run Fill Hole with RB going to. Instead more of Read Run, get to A gap on my left. My DT has B, my other LBer is scraping A other A. See unless you KNOW the assignment you cannot claim he is filling the wrong gap or overcommitting. What I do see is he cannot shed a block if they get to his right side, almost like he is playing with a Right shoulder injury and doesnt have full use of his right arm. Whats your opinion of this Correa guy, to replace Klein? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Yes i would do it but I need more info on why he wants traded. Did he expect to be activated right off of the Covid list on Gameday? The process doesn’t work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: Whats your opinion of this Correa guy, to replace Klein? Yep he would push Klien down on the depth Chart. Adds athleticism on that side of the ball. Brings some blitzing skills as well. He is a replacement level player, however maybe a change of scenery sparks him ala Hughes when he was traded. 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes i would do it but I need more info on why he wants traded. Did he expect to be activated right off of the Covid list on Gameday? The process doesn’t work that way. He has only gotten 39 snaps on defense all year, so I think it is a combination I dont think he has logged a snap since week 1 Edited October 14, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yep he would push Klien down on the depth Chart. Adds athleticism on that side of the ball. Brings some blitzing skills as well. He is a replacement level player, however maybe a change of scenery sparks him ala Hughes when he was traded. He has only gotten 39 snaps on defense all year, so I think it is a combination I dont think he has logged a snap since week 1 Ok. Kind of odd since (until last night :cry:) their LB play has been pretty bad so not sure if he’s even worse than who they had out there. Maybe not a scheme for, whatever. I agree a very low risk move if they would take a 5th or 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Ok. Kind of odd since (until last night :cry:) their LB play has been pretty bad so not sure if he’s even worse than who they had out there. Maybe not a scheme for, whatever. I agree a very low risk move if they would take a 5th or 6th "Correa finished with five sacks last season and added two more in the postseason. He was hoping for continued success in 2020, though he knew he had to earn his spot once again after the Titans signed free-agent outside linebacker Vic Beasley to a one-year $9.5 million deal." Beasley and his 9.5M are not getting benched for a more productive player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Why would the Titans trade any talent to us? They'll move him to the NFC for a pittance. I don’t know if he quite falls into the category of player where they need to make sure he goes outside the conference, but maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I know a lot of people are complaining about our pass rush, but I believe our back 7 isn't holding up long enough to get there. I'd like to see Norman back into his #2 role before trashing him. Also thought Cam Lewis made some plays. Biggest hole to fill next year, is a nice young long athletic corner to play alongside Tre. I also want to see more of Epenesa, he had a great play for a loss yesterday. I know he also had a bad Offside foul, but I'm sure he'll clean that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, Allen2Moulds said: I know a lot of people are complaining about our pass rush, but I believe our back 7 isn't holding up long enough to get there. I'd like to see Norman back into his #2 role before trashing him. Also thought Cam Lewis made some plays. Biggest hole to fill next year, is a nice young long athletic corner to play alongside Tre. I also want to see more of Epenesa, he had a great play for a loss yesterday. I know he also had a bad Offside foul, but I'm sure he'll clean that up. Lack of discipline in edge contain and outside leverage by our DEs is a big contributing factor to the line's struggles There's a reason they gave Epenesa the hook after that penalty and it wasn't just because he was Offside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Lack of discipline in edge contain and outside leverage by our DEs is a big contributing factor to the line's struggles There's a reason they gave Epenesa the hook after that penalty and it wasn't just because he was Offside I don't think I can bring myself to rewatch it, but I saw mostly whoever was over the RT, almost never had contain. All of Tannehills runs and Henry's 2nd TD was to that same side. I know it was more than him with both of those issues. Lack of discipline as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Because were nice guys? Because the Bills aren't a threat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: I don't think I can bring myself to rewatch it, but I saw mostly whoever was over the RT, almost never had contain. All of Tannehills runs and Henry's 2nd TD was to that same side. I know it was more than him with both of those issues. Lack of discipline as a whole. Yes one of the strangest parts of last night's game was seeing total lack of defensive responsibilities, guys were pushing hard but getting way out of position very off-message from '1/11' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP's Voice Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Anyone else think that Edmunds has the athletic profile to be an elite edge rusher? He's 6'5' 250 Comparables: Jadeveon Clowney 6'5 255 Myles Garret 6'4 272 TJ Watt 6'4 252 Josh Allen *Jags 6'5 262 Nick Bosa 6'4 266 Chase Young 6'5 265 I would be in favor of shutting him down on the 3 week IR and having him come back as more of a 3-4 OLB. He is ineffective at MLB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Titans are attempting to trade OLB Kamalei Correa. Correa just returned from the reserve/COVID-19 list this week. He was inactive Tuesday and has been limited to 39 snaps. The Titans are expected to release Correa if they can't get a Day 3 pick for him. DOB (Age): 4/27/1994 (26) 40 Yard Dash: 4.69 seconds HT/WT: 6' 3" / 241 lbs. College: Boise State Drafted: 2016 / Rd. 2 (42) / BAL https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/12418/kamalei-correa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I just don’t know if Edmunds problem is instincts. I had had that thought as well at times this year watching him. But instincts don’t seem to be a thing that would get dramatically worse from year to year. They might stay the same or get better as you get more experience, but not dramatically worse. A scheme change seems like it could have a profound effect from year to year. An injury seems like it could have a profound effect from year to year. The supporting cast around you changing seems like it could too. But instincts don’t seem like the type of thing that just get 50% worse from one year to the next. It sure is puzzling, though, with how much the play of this defense has regressed from year to year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Interesting, but I’d prefer to offer our next years’ 1st and a couple swap picks for JJ Watt. I KNOW he’s getting on in years, but they’re going nowhere this year and don’t have a 1st OR 2nd Round pick for their eventual new GM & HC. We’re in ‘the window’. A move to instantly upgrade our passrush is imperative. Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I thought Edmunds with his speed and height would be a OLB to cover a TE but I trust McD when it comes to defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: Interesting, but I’d prefer to offer our next years’ 1st and a couple swap picks for JJ Watt. I KNOW he’s getting on in years, but they’re going nowhere this year and don’t have a 1st OR 2nd Round pick for their eventual new GM & HC. We’re in ‘the window’. A move to instantly upgrade our passrush is imperative. Imo. We can't afford to pay Watts' salary. Also I can't see the Texans giving up on him as he's the face of their franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, ALF said: I thought Edmunds with his speed and height would be a OLB to cover a TE but I trust McD when it comes to defence. Perhaps familiarity breeds contempt, but while I used to, I’m finding more and more fault with his decisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bongo said: I just don’t know if Edmunds problem is instincts. I had had that thought as well at times this year watching him. But instincts don’t seem to be a thing that would get dramatically worse from year to year. They might stay the same or get better as you get more experience, but not dramatically worse. A scheme change seems like it could have a profound effect from year to year. An injury seems like it could have a profound effect from year to year. The supporting cast around you changing seems like it could too. But instincts don’t seem like the type of thing that just get 50% worse from one year to the next. It sure is puzzling, though, with how much the play of this defense has regressed from year to year. I think Edmunds is struggling with injuries so he's not at his best. I also think he's playing out of position, to me he's best suited as a SLB in the Jamie Collins type mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: We can't afford to pay Watts' salary. Also I can't see the Texans giving up on him as he's the face of their franchise. It’ll be years before they’re relevant and need/must have early picks for their new HC & GM. he’ll be well past his prime by the time they’re ready to compete again. We can certainly afford his contract by cutting overpriced DEs taking up space Edited October 14, 2020 by Chandler#81 Added a line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, Chandler#81 said: It’ll be years before they’re relevant and need/must have early picks for their new HC & GM. Give Watson a better receiving cast and they back in play as a playoff contender. The trade of Hopkins still makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: We can't afford to pay Watts' salary. Also I can't see the Texans giving up on him as he's the face of their franchise. He was the face of that franchise. watson is now. that’s being said, I wasn’t a fan of trading for Watt at first, but with each passing game, I watch Trent Murphy play and I want to throw up in my mouth. He’s been really bad other than a couple nice pass rushes. 1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said: Once again the Titans would most likely trade him to an NFC team before trading him the Bills. I am not suggesting he is not any good, i am only saying your not going to help your direct competitors. The titans are most likely going to cut him if they can’t get a pick. I’m sure they’d take a pick from us instead of cutting him and receiving nothing. He isn’t a game changing player. He’s a role player. Most smart teams wouldn’t care about trading a role player within the conference imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 The defensive problem is not just one player. They look terrible as a group. This edmunds talk is crazy. They ain’t the same D. The losses and acquisitions that we had during the off-season are not matching up. It seemed like a great fit on paper but it ain’t working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Lack of discipline in edge contain and outside leverage by our DEs is a big contributing factor to the line's struggles There's a reason they gave Epenesa the hook after that penalty and it wasn't just because he was Offside Epenesa was in for FOUR snaps last night. The defense sucking wasn’t because of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Billznut said: Epenesa was in for FOUR snaps last night. The defense sucking wasn’t because of him. Yes that's why I said DEs not him specifically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Billznut said: Epenesa was in for FOUR snaps last night. The defense sucking wasn’t because of him. And he made the very least of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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