JGMcD2 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, TBBills said: Then those players who want the NFLPA to get involved don't need to play this season. The NFLPA ruined everything with their demands. Every player wants the NFLPA to get involved. They’re all members of the NFLPA, otherwise they have no bargaining power. They legitimately pay dues each year to be members of the union. The NFLPA did their job. They exist to represent the players in matters concerning wages, hours and working conditions, as well as to protect their rights as professional football players. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Never understood why this wasn’t mandatory as part of the protocol. The name of the COVID game has been testing, mask wearing, and social distancing. Collectively, they’ve only been good at and consistent with 1 out of 3. doesn't actually playing the game destroy all this....everyone is worried about the post game handshakes but not the game itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: It's possible the Bills are the only team who benefits from a forfeiture. So b/c the whole league is going through this it makes the Bills Illegitimate.... You been doing this the whole time and the pattern is starting to show. 1 minute ago, nucci said: doesn't actually playing the game destroy all this....everyone is worried about the post game handshakes but not the game itself? Post game handshakes are coupled with very close talking.... Gilmore only time he was near Mahomes was the post game handshake and close talk... Edited October 7, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TBBills said: Post game handshakes are coupled with very close talking.... Gilmore only time he was near Mahomes was the post game handshake and close talk... the linemen are also very close and yelling and talking during every play Edited October 7, 2020 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, nucci said: the linemen are also very close and yelling and talking during every play Not really the same thing, one thing can be prevented and the other cannot.... Gilmore being that close to Mahomes should never have happened and was preventable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, nucci said: doesn't actually playing the game destroy all this....everyone is worried about the post game handshakes but not the game itself? I apologize for linking the same article repetitively and would welcome a better source for the basis of NFL rules. The assumption under which NFL games are being played is that the contacts during the game are too short to constitute "close contacts": "On a football field, you’re not going to have close contact, because the average football play lasts about six seconds." 6 seconds x 60 plays is 6 minutes. The same would apply to the usually-brief post-game bro hugs and handshakes, but the argument there is they're unnecessary to play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Gene1973 said: And spitting, and bleeding, and... Yet none of them tested positive but Gilmore who never once got near Mahomes the whole game was close to him after the game.... something that could have been easily prevented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I apologize for linking the same article repetitively and would welcome a better source for the basis of NFL rules. The assumption under which NFL games are being played is that the contacts during the game are too short to constitute "close contacts": "On a football field, you’re not going to have close contact, because the average football play lasts about six seconds." The same would apply to the usually-brief post-game bro hugs and handshakes, but the argument there is they're unnecessary to play the game. understood but just because the play is over doesn't mean the close contact is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Gene1973 said: He was negative at that time according to the protocols... Yes and it wouldnt have mattered to Mahomes except after the game... you understand yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 One thing I haven't read about at all, with all the Covid restrictions being imposed on teams, one thing I was wondering about. Typically each team sends a couple of coaches/scouts to attend the game of the following weeks opponent. For example under normal times, Tenn would have been at this weeks Buffalo game and The Bills would have been at the Pitt-Tenn game scouting and filming the Titans. I haven't read anything if teams are still allowed to do this or not. Considering how restrictive they are being with even announcers wouldn't be surprised if no longer allowed. Are press even allowed to travel on team plane to road games or are they on there own to get to game site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, nucci said: understood but just because the play is over doesn't mean the close contact is I get it, I'm just explaining the NFL's infection control thinking. Whether or not I agree is "beyond the scope" here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I wish the league would come out ASAP about a decision on this game. I think we can all agree Sunday seems like chances are slim to none. The NFL needs to come out and say difinitively what is happening. So Goodell either says: -We will try and move the Titans game to Monday. We are moving the Buffalo/KC game to Sunday to allow everybody to prepare and schedule properly. or -We are cancelling the Titans/Bills game entirely for the time being and will attempt to make that game up at the end of the season. Buffalo vs. KC will go on as scheduled on Thursday. You gotta give these players some structure and answers to help keep the league grounded. This has to be a nightmare as a player. McD said it was difficult to focus on the Raiders game because of the Titans testing. Now we are actually playing the Titans, and we don't even know when or if they are playing as they keep testing positive. Then we don't know our game after that. It is wild. The league should hand out a Covid award at the end of the year to the team who managed it the best. If the Bills get through murderers row of covid teams without an incident, we are a shoe in. Raiders- They have basically been trying to get Covid, and it is a miracle they have not. They are the NFL version of college COVID parties Titans- Largest Covid hot spot at the moment. KC- Positive tests. Gilmore breathed on Mahomes last week. They also play the Raiders this week. Jets- ... Pats- Cam and Gilmore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Just now, Gene1973 said: Per the protocols, Gilmore was clean. 20/20 hindsight is useless. If we're saying don't allow the handshakes and hugs after games, dunno... Maybe just don't play any games then if a "clean" player is not really clean. ok you don't get it.... All I needed to know. Keep rooting for the Bills to lose. Edited October 7, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I get it, I'm just explaining the NFL's infection control thinking. Whether or not I agree is "beyond the scope" here. ahhh, ok. Thanks Edited October 7, 2020 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, TBBills said: Yes and it wouldnt have mattered to Mahomes except after the game... you understand yet? The odds of contracting COVID from that exposure is just so astronomical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Not surprised by Goodells lack of decision making or leadership on this. He was been a ***** commission for quite some time. there had to be bubbles, extra bye weeks incorporated, or something..ANYTHING to prevent the worst from happening. yet he’s winging it. He sucks Edited October 7, 2020 by GETTOTHE50 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalOhio Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, wiseman3 said: Why is it so hard to play the Titans on Monday or Tuesday, then move the chiefs to Saturday or Sunday? That seems like an incredibly easy fix, as long as all other tests are negative MONEY. League wants Chiefs at Bill on Thursday Night. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The odds of contracting COVID from that exposure is just so astronomical. I think recent events and outbreaks have taught us that it probably isn’t. The NFL cannot let these guys socialize like this after games. It’s just a bad plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The odds of contracting COVID from that exposure is just so astronomical. The odds are non existent if they dont even go near each other at the end of the game. Edited October 7, 2020 by TBBills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, GETTOTHE50 said: Not surprised by Goodells lack of decision or leadership on this. He was been a ***** commission for quite some time. there had to be bubbles, extra bye weeks incorporated, or something..ANYTHING to prevent the worse from happening. yet he’s winging it. He sucks He's not. He implemented protocols that have been relatively successful, all the things considered. He then left himself flexibility to adapt to challenges as they arise. He has actually done a phenomenal job so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffalOhio said: MONEY. League wants Chiefs at Bill on Thursday Night. Period. as does FOX! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, nucci said: doesn't actually playing the game destroy all this....everyone is worried about the post game handshakes but not the game itself? Of course, but some level of that has to be accepted for the game to be played. Systematic vs. unsystematic risk. Some of it is systematic and unavoidable as you suggest, but there’s a lot of unsystematic fluff out there (e.g., post game handshakes, coaches taking their masks down) that is completely avoidable and should be eliminated to give yourself the best shot at mitigating the risk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: I think recent events and outbreaks have taught us that it probably isn’t. The NFL cannot let these guys socialize like this after games. It’s just a bad plan. This is what happens when we stop asking why questions. For example, WHY did the Titans have an outbreak. I can about guarantee you that it didn't occur due to a 30 second exchange while outdoors. 1 minute ago, TBBills said: The odds non existent if they dont even go near each other at the end of the game. Ok, so you go from a .0001% chance to a .00001% chance. Got it. This all makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 So TV money is more important than getting the games played! That’s idiotic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, KRT88 said: So TV money is more important than getting the games played! That’s idiotic! In fairness, they are playing the games solely for TV money...If they weren't, there wouldn't be a season. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seven&nine Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, KRT88 said: So TV money is more important than getting the games played! That’s idiotic! What exactly do you think motivates the NFL owners to play the games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is what happens when we stop asking why questions. For example, WHY did the Titans have an outbreak. I can about guarantee you that it didn't occur due to a 30 second exchange while outdoors. Ok, so you go from a .0001% chance to a .00001% chance. Got it. This all makes sense. I’m taking about the recent events in the Rose Garden, not in the NFL. That event seems to have been the basis for spread within our government, and the activities there were and are similar to the activities that occurred on-field following the Chiefs-Pats game. There’s a lot about this virus that we don’t know. But we do know that it is a respiratory virus, and engaging in conversation in close proximity (like Mahomes and Gilmore did) without the benefit of a prophylactic device (such as a mask or a face shield) is not a good plan. Bottom line: ounce of prevention = pound of cure. No more unnecessary risks. 3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: The testing protocols are not working then if we're saying clean players can't shake hands AFTER playing a game... I can’t dispute this. You’re right. I guess it shows that testing protocols are good practice, but not perfect practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, BuffalOhio said: MONEY. League wants Chiefs at Bill on Thursday Night. Period. Feels so nice to be wanted. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Of course, but some level of that has to be accepted for the game to be played. Systematic vs. unsystematic risk. Some of it is systematic and unavoidable as you suggest, but there’s a lot of unsystematic fluff out there (e.g., post game handshakes, coaches taking their masks down) that is completely avoidable and should be eliminated to give yourself the best shot at mitigating the risk. Yep, I get that...just pointing out some stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: One thing I haven't read about at all, with all the Covid restrictions being imposed on teams, one thing I was wondering about. Typically each team sends a couple of coaches/scouts to attend the game of the following weeks opponent. For example under normal times, Tenn would have been at this weeks Buffalo game and The Bills would have been at the Pitt-Tenn game scouting and filming the Titans. I haven't read anything if teams are still allowed to do this or not. Considering how restrictive they are being with even announcers wouldn't be surprised if no longer allowed. Are press even allowed to travel on team plane to road games or are they on there own to get to game site? OK, I google searched and got nothing. Since the number of employees with access to the locker room/players is being strictly controlled this year, pretty sure "no press on the team plane", get there on your own. I think coaches/scouts for next opponents have still been allowed, possibly with more restricted numbers or access to facilities. But that's just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: The testing protocols are not working then if we're saying clean players can't shake hands AFTER playing a game... I don’t think that’s necessarily true. You’re talking about a lot of people per team. Each team should really be viewed as its own bubble Monday through Saturday. You will have some teams on one end of the spectrum that are taking it super seriously and doing everything by the book. You can have another team on the other end of the spectrum that is still taking it seriously, but maybe a few guys slip up. When the two teams meet, would you want them interacting any more than they have to? I sure wouldn’t. After all, it only takes one person to be selfish on a team for it to go sideways. Doesn’t mean the league’s testing isn’t working. Just means one team was better at managing it than another. Personally, I think this is where team leadership, character, and accountability (player, coach, and staff) are extremely important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I keep my same stance, I don’t want to play the covid Titans this week. Let them play the game week 18. I don’t want to jeopardize our healthy team with team covid. The league needs to build a buffer week now based on the slow but sure increase in covid cases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Johnnycage46 said: I think we ALL have gotten the short end of the stick in 2020 lol I'm pretty sure we got the whole stick. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, BUFFALOKIE said: I'm pretty sure we got the whole stick. Yeah, and it got placed somewhere very dark and extremely uncomfortable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mango Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He's not. He implemented protocols that have been relatively successful, all the things considered. He then left himself flexibility to adapt to challenges as they arise. He has actually done a phenomenal job so far. Meh, the OP here isn't wrong and neither are you. The NFL thought they could skate by and give the teams the ability to manage it themselves. But as we have seen with Gruden and reports of the Titans bringing in an UDFA without waiting the 5 days, that is not happening. If we were going to operate without a bubble, and the league wanted to be "flexible" and "adaptive" they would have scheduled league wide bye weeks every month so that they could reschedule games in the (inevitable) event this current situation happened. Without a few league wide "dead periods" to either make up games or get things straightened out for certain teams, the league actually left themselves no room for flexibility. The league bet that this would be over or nearly over as the season started and progressed. That they would gradually get fans back into stadiums, and the playoffs/superbowl would go off as normal and generate a whole bunch of revenue for them. ...and now here we are. Edited October 7, 2020 by Mango 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, TBBills said: The odds are non existent if they dont even go near each other at the end of the game. Did you just go through each of my last 10 posts to do the "meh" face? That is really, really weird. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Chandler's Hands Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Did you just go through each of my last 10 posts to do the "meh" face? That is really, really weird. Consider it an honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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