Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 "a player initiates a block in which he is moving toward or parallel to his own end line and makes forcible contact to his opponent with his helmet, forearm, or shoulder" They've been calling it for a couple years to minimize concussions and whether we like or not that was a penalty on McKenzie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Was he moving toward or parallel to his own end zone? It didn’t look like it. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I didn’t like the call either. bogus call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, Southern Bills Fan said: Was he moving toward or parallel to his own end zone? It didn’t look like it. Wasn't moving at all 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Was he moving toward or parallel to his own end zone? It didn’t look like it. If your lined up outside coming down the LOS and pop somebody they will call it every time now 2 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Was he moving toward or parallel to his own end zone? It didn’t look like it. the key is he initiated forcible contact with his shoulder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 If there is any contact, they have to just screen them, not hit them. They called it that way last week too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said: If there is any contact, they have to just screen them, not hit them. They called it that way last week too. yeah its like setting a pick or even taking a charge now You can only get into the block if you're heading upfield, not laterally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Simon said: If your lined up outside coming down the LOS and pop somebody they will call it every time now the key is he initiated forcible contact with his shoulder per the rule you quoted, the block must be initiated when the player "is moving toward or parallel to his own end line ". If that part of the equation is missing, then it's another crap call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 you could say he's moving when he lunges forward with his shoulder its a penalty now and will get called every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: per the rule you quoted, the block must be initiated when the player "is moving toward or parallel to his own end line ". If that part of the equation is missing, then it's another crap call. It doesnt really matter how its worded, they are looking for those plays now, and are going to call it most of the time. They talked about it specifically in the offseason. In that same situation, McKenzie just needs to get in the guys way and put his hands up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, Simon said: "a player initiates a block in which he is moving toward or parallel to his own end line and makes forcible contact to his opponent with his helmet, forearm, or shoulder" They've been calling it for a couple years to minimize concussions and whether we like or not that was a penalty on McKenzie He was moving forward not parallel or backwards no blindside 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I don't care. The ref is still a Booger. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Captain_Quint said: It doesnt really matter how its worded, they are looking for those plays now, and are going to call it most of the time. They talked about it specifically in the offseason. In that same situation, McKenzie just needs to get in the guys way and put his hands up. if the rules aren't going to be followed, what's the point of having them? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Was he moving toward or parallel to his own end zone? It didn’t look like it. No he was moving forward they need to adjust the language of the rule if they’re going to call it that way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 While I wasn't a fan of the call nobody should be surprised in the age of player safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 It was a great, clean block-there has to be awareness by the defense too. He didn’t launch at him, he didn’t hit him in the head/neck, it was simply a bad call. The dolphins CB had pretty much literally no awareness on that play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, Simon said: If your lined up outside coming down the LOS and pop somebody they will call it every time now the key is he initiated forcible contact with his shoulder He was moving toward the opponent's end zone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. K said: While I wasn't a fan of the call nobody should be surprised in the age of player safety. Its all about protecting guys heads and that's a wicked situation in regards to getting concussed by an opponent, the turf or whiplash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, Simon said: Its all about protecting guys heads and that's a wicked situation in regards to getting concussed by an opponent, the turf or whiplash So it's now a penalty when a rookie DB didn't have enough field awareness? Mckittrick was moving forward when he made the block on a DB who was running wild in pursuit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, GG said: So it's now a penalty when a rookie DB didn't have enough field awareness? Mckittrick was moving forward when he made the block on a DB who was running wild in pursuit. Right. If it’s a safety thing then fine but you can’t justify the call by the language of the rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, GG said: So it's now a penalty when a rookie DB didn't have enough field awareness? Mckittrick was moving forward when he made the block on a DB who was running wild in pursuit. If he just stands there it won't get called but you cannot put a shoulder into him And if it was forward, it was about as forward as Frank Wychek pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: if the rules aren't going to be followed, what's the point of having them? I agree. They have rewritten that rule in the past couple of years, but it still isnt being called as written. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Simon said: If he just stands there it won't get called but you cannot put a shoulder into him And if it was forward, it was about as forward as Frank Wychek pass. Watch the replay, McKenzie's body was pointing Northeast of the LoS. That's not parallel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, GG said: Watch the replay, McKenzie's body was pointing Northeast of the LoS. That's not parallel. I dont have any replay capability I thought it was a penalty while the play was live. I also thought the LB got hooked on the edge and was actually looking for two flags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Well he did brace for the hit so that’s moving I guess??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Simon said: "a player initiates a block in which he is moving toward or parallel to his own end line and makes forcible contact to his opponent with his helmet, forearm, or shoulder" They've been calling it for a couple years to minimize concussions and whether we like or not that was a penalty on McKenzie He was stationary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said: He was stationary. He threw a shoulder at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Simon said: He threw a shoulder at him Not illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: Not illegal. youre not allowed to initiate forcible contact any more; the shoulder is even written into the rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Simon said: youre not allowed to initiate forcible contact any more; the shoulder is even written into the rule The key word is "initiate". He stood his ground and protected himself with a normal football movement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said: The key word is "initiate". He stood his ground and protected himself with a normal football movement. I disagree. He didn't jack him up like he could have but I still thought he threw a shoulder in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I have done such a block ... in touch football! Come on now. I fully understand the rule and need to protect players but that was no penalty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 How about this silly flag on Hyde? Maybe Hyde should have picked the receiver up, rocked him, wrapped him in a blanket, kissed him, and let him down on the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said: How about this silly flag on Hyde? Maybe Hyde should have picked the receiver up, rocked him, wrapped him in a blanket, kissed him, and let him down on the ground. That would be called the revised "tuck him in rule". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: The key word is "initiate". He stood his ground and protected himself with a normal football movement. The key is the direction, initiate is subjective imo. It’s clearly meant to stop people from getting hit in normal pursuit...you literally can’t be called for blindside block by rule if you are blocking toward the opponent’s goal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, GG said: Watch the replay, McKenzie's body was pointing Northeast of the LoS. That's not parallel. So it was a backwards lateral... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Captain_Quint said: It doesnt really matter how its worded, they are looking for those plays now, and are going to call it most of the time. They talked about it specifically in the offseason. In that same situation, McKenzie just needs to get in the guys way and put his hands up. And get run over? Maybe he can fake a block and then dive out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, vincec said: And get run over? Maybe he can fake a block and then dive out of the way. Yeah, who are they trying to protect? You're sacrificing one player to save another. Dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Honestly looked like the defender ran right into him and he put his shoulder out to protect himself. If he doesn’t do that he gets himself lit up so I’m not sure what they expect him to do. Maybe that’s the rule but if so it’s a bad rule. But I don’t think he “initiated” contact and also Jerome Boger is the worst referee in all of sports including pee wee football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 That call paired with the Ford call makes me want to quit watching. Disgusting how soft they are making the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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