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1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Coleman?  We're bleeped.

just to provide context, this happened a few years ago

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/side-judge-james-coleman-injured-colliding-bills-coach/story?id=49918527

 

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Coleman appeared upset with the Bills' sideline as he met with coach Sean McDermott, other officials and members of the Bills' training staff after the play.

 

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Torbert is the absolute worst.

 

Here he is fist bumping after a Broncos TD vs. the Bills - never seen anything like this.

 

https://nesn.com/2014/12/referees-inexplicably-fist-bump-after-broncos-score-touchdown-gif/?fb_comment_id=746990758687604_747002248686455

 

Those iffy flags from the 2014 season (see recap below) left me fuming for days. This was the season we finished 9-7 and this game and the raiders game could have easily gone the other way and we woulda finished 11-5. Even one of those wins might have won us the tiebreak at 10-6 over the Ravens. 

 

After that stupid 2004 final game loss to the backup steelers, I think 2014 was the season I was most upset about regarding missing the playoffs.

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/153112/bills-predictable-loss-to-broncos-follows-familiar-script

 

 

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59 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

I was going by the name Coleman, but sure, now he holds a grudge...

 

41 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

The infamous 3rd and <kitty> game where Orton slid instead of diving for it on 3rd and 1.  I despise Kyle Orton.

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I thought this sounded familiar, and sure enough, we had Carl and Crew just two weeks ago against the Covid Mary's....

 

Week 7 - Bills at New Jersey Team B

(Crew subject to change due to the real mafia interfering) 

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 51 Carl Cheffers 21   California-Irvine sales manager
U 49 Rich Hall 17 Kemp Arizona custom cabinetry
DJ 13 Patrick Turner 7 Wrolstad Cal State-Long Beach plant manager
LJ 47 Tim Podraza 13 Corrente Nebraska business performance consultant
FJ 60 Gary Cavaletto 18 Vinovich Hancock general manager, agricultural operations
SJ 18 Clay Reynard 1 NA California-Davis customer service representative
BJ 119 Greg Wilson 13 Martin USC

retired police officer

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Week 8 - Bills vs Pats*

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 34 Clete Blakeman 13   Nebraska attorney
U 11 Fred Bryan 12 Martin Northern Iowa superintendent, juvenile correctional facility
DJ 28 Mark Hittner 24 Smith Pittsburg State investment broker
LJ 68 Tom Stephan 22 Anderson Pittsburg State retired business broker
SJ 72 Michael Banks 19 Cheffers Illinois State carpenter foreman
FJ 57 Joe Blubaugh 1 NA Pittsburg State regional sales manager
BJ 93 Scott Helverson 18 Wrolstad Iowa sales, printing and promotions

 

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Does Pittsburg State have a degree in officiating?  Such a weird coincidence. 

4 hours ago, RiotAct said:

it’s funny reading what these officials’ day jobs are.  A lot of them probably go into the office the next day and fire off some emails ending in “please advise, thanks.”


This made me laugh.  Get that email phrase all of the time.  It drives me crazy.  I avoid that wording like the plague. 

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2 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Does Pittsburg State have a degree in officiating?  Such a weird coincidence. 


This made me laugh.  Get that email phrase all of the time.  It drives me crazy.  I avoid that wording like the plague. 

Ask John Brown as that is his alma mater 

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On 10/15/2020 at 9:28 PM, IgotBILLStopay said:

Torbert is the absolute worst.

 

Here he is fist bumping after a Broncos TD vs. the Bills - never seen anything like this.

 

https://nesn.com/2014/12/referees-inexplicably-fist-bump-after-broncos-score-touchdown-gif/?fb_comment_id=746990758687604_747002248686455

 

Those iffy flags from the 2014 season (see recap below) left me fuming for days. This was the season we finished 9-7 and this game and the raiders game could have easily gone the other way and we woulda finished 11-5. Even one of those wins might have won us the tiebreak at 10-6 over the Ravens. 

 

After that stupid 2004 final game loss to the backup steelers, I think 2014 was the season I was most upset about regarding missing the playoffs.

 

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/153112/bills-predictable-loss-to-broncos-follows-familiar-script

 

 


 

Torbert was/is someone very high up in the company that built the patriots stadium. I have no idea how he’s allowed to ref games. 

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12 hours ago, Just Jack said:

Week 8 - Bills vs Pats*

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 34 Clete Blakeman 13   Nebraska attorney
U 11 Fred Bryan 12 Martin Northern Iowa superintendent, juvenile correctional facility
DJ 28 Mark Hittner 24 Smith Pittsburg State investment broker
LJ 68 Tom Stephan 22 Anderson Pittsburg State retired business broker
SJ 72 Michael Banks 19 Cheffers Illinois State carpenter foreman
FJ 57 Joe Blubaugh 1 NA Pittsburg State regional sales manager
BJ 93 Scott Helverson 18 Wrolstad Iowa sales, printing and promotions

 

 

It's not Cheffers so we are all good!

12 hours ago, RiotAct said:

it’s funny reading what these officials’ day jobs are.  A lot of them probably go into the office the next day and fire off some emails ending in “please advise, thanks.”

 

Honestly I don't know why some of them even have day jobs, aren't they getting paid out the ass to ref?

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On 10/15/2020 at 8:10 PM, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

I dont recall this. Does anyone else?  How did a coach hurt a ref and why was said ref upset with the Bills sideline?  And how did the Bills get an unsportsmanlike conduct call on that play, the Bills were on offense.

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24 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

I dont recall this. Does anyone else?  How did a coach hurt a ref and why was said ref upset with the Bills sideline?  And how did the Bills get an unsportsmanlike conduct call on that play, the Bills were on offense.

 

There is a line that players and coaches cannot cross that allows the officials to run up and down the sideline without running into anyone.  In this instance the players and/or coaches probably crossed the line and he ended up colliding with them because of it, hence the 15 yard penalty.

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4 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

There is a line that players and coaches cannot cross that allows the officials to run up and down the sideline without running into anyone.  In this instance the players and/or coaches probably crossed the line and he ended up colliding with them because of it, hence the 15 yard penalty.

 

Yes i know about the line but seeking someone that recalls this play and knows what actually happened.

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I do feel like a directive was sent out saying "take it easy on the offensive holding calls" in particular as a means toward opening up the offense of the game.

 

It's amazing how much the game can be impacted by simply not making calls, or loosening up how often calls are made.

 

Reminds me of the discussion in baseball for years saying the best way to speed up the game is for the home plate umpires to simply call more strikes.  Have a slightly more generous strike zone.  No need to change a single rule.  

 

 

 

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On 9/10/2020 at 3:25 PM, Mark Vader said:

They better be wearing glasses.

 

Muzzle will be more appreciated.

 

Every week I find myself hoping for a relatively flag-free game where the play flows without all the head-scratching stoppage.

 

 

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17 hours ago, RiotAct said:

it’s funny reading what these officials’ day jobs are.  A lot of them probably go into the office the next day and fire off some emails ending in “please advise, thanks.”

The carpenter foreman is always picking up the phone and hitting intercom to announce his instructions.... 1st down!

 

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Week 9 - Bills vs Seahawks

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 14 Shawn Smith 6   Ferris State finance
U 92 Bryan Neale 7 Smith Indiana sales consultant
DJ 123 Mike Dolce 1 NA Grand Valley State wealth management advisor
LJ 84 Mark Steinkerchner 27 Torbert Akron vice president
FJ 109 Dyrol Prioleau 14 Smith Johnson C Smith manager, law firm
SJ 86 Jimmy Buchanan 12 Blakeman South Carolina State food service director
BJ 105 Dino Paganelli 15 Smith Aquinas College educator

 

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13 hours ago, Heathcliff said:

I think it is a positive sign with this being up for 7 hours and no comments.  Maybe we are past whining about the officiating?

 

What is there to say.....the guy is in Finance.....he knows how to cheat without getting caught ;)

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22 hours ago, Just Jack said:

Week 9 - Bills vs Seahawks

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 14 Shawn Smith 6   Ferris State finance
U 92 Bryan Neale 7 Smith Indiana sales consultant
DJ 123 Mike Dolce 1 NA Grand Valley State wealth management advisor
LJ 84 Mark Steinkerchner 27 Torbert Akron vice president
FJ 109 Dyrol Prioleau 14 Smith Johnson C Smith manager, law firm
SJ 86 Jimmy Buchanan 12 Blakeman South Carolina State food service director
BJ 105 Dino Paganelli 15 Smith Aquinas College educator

 

 

Please let Mike Dolce have a brother called Joe. 

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Week 10 - Bills at Cardinals

 

We got a flex crew, meaning they've been doing west coast and central games. 

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 4 Craig Wrolstad 18   Washington athletic director
U 71 Ruben Fowler 15 Anderson Huston-Tillotson retired firefighter
DJ 91 Jerry Bergman 19 Blakeman Robert Morris sales executive
LJ 87 Tom Eaton 1 NA Central Florida  
FJ 107 Dave Hawkshaw 2 Smith Justice Institute of B.C. firefighter
SJ 50 Aaron Santi 6 Rogers Southern Oregon middle school principal
BJ 61 Keith Ferguson 21 Anderson San Jose State sales

 

 

Last time we saw Craig Wrolstad and crew was Sept 29, 2019, against the Pats*

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201909290buf.htm

 

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3 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

Week 10 - Bills at Cardinals

 

We got a flex crew, meaning they've been doing west coast and central games. 

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 4 Craig Wrolstad 18   Washington athletic director
U 71 Ruben Fowler 15 Anderson Huston-Tillotson retired firefighter
DJ 91 Jerry Bergman 19 Blakeman Robert Morris sales executive
LJ 87 Tom Eaton 1 NA Central Florida  
FJ 107 Dave Hawkshaw 2 Smith Justice Institute of B.C. firefighter
SJ 50 Aaron Santi 6 Rogers Southern Oregon middle school principal
BJ 61 Keith Ferguson 21 Anderson San Jose State sales

 

 

Last time we saw Craig Wrolstad and crew was Sept 29, 2019, against the Pats*

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201909290buf.htm

 

They threw a few more flags than we average (just shy of 6/game this year) in that game last year.   As holding is now only called on ST kicks (it seems) this may expalin the drop 😎

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18 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

Week 10 - Bills at Cardinals

 

We got a flex crew, meaning they've been doing west coast and central games. 

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 4 Craig Wrolstad 18   Washington athletic director
U 71 Ruben Fowler 15 Anderson Huston-Tillotson retired firefighter
DJ 91 Jerry Bergman 19 Blakeman Robert Morris sales executive
LJ 87 Tom Eaton 1 NA Central Florida  
FJ 107 Dave Hawkshaw 2 Smith Justice Institute of B.C. firefighter
SJ 50 Aaron Santi 6 Rogers Southern Oregon middle school principal
BJ 61 Keith Ferguson 21 Anderson San Jose State sales

 

 

Last time we saw Craig Wrolstad and crew was Sept 29, 2019, against the Pats*

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201909290buf.htm

 

 

16 penalties for 134 yards total between both teams.  Yikes.

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Week 12 - Bills vs LA Charge Cards

 

We last had Alex and a different crew back in week 3, against the Rams, a 35-32 victory...

 

Los Angeles Rams at Buffalo Bills - September 27th, 2020 | Pro-Football-Reference.com (pro-football-reference.com)

 

      Yrs 2019 crew College Occupation
R 55 Alex Kemp 7   Central Michigan insurance agent
U 124 Carl Paganelli 21 Boger Michigan State retired federal probation officer
DJ 8 Dana McKenzie 13 Corrente Toledo claims adjuster
LJ 98 Greg Bradley 12 Hochuli Tennessee chemical engineer
FJ 43 Terry Brown 15 Wrolstad Tennessee court director
SJ 26 Jabir Walker 6 Hussey Murray State middle school teacher
BJ 96 Matt Edwards 3 Cheffers Western Michigan healthcare sales
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