YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I dunno, looks like Mongo has a secondary plan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Star isn't that bad of an opted out. We got Phillips back this year. They also save about 1 million in cap next year since this years salary moves to next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) What is very interesting to me so far is by looking at the opt outs. Alot of "Big Guys" I wonder if the weight of them is also helping with deciding knowing obesity is a area to be concerned about with COVID with 12 of the early list being the big guys Edited July 28, 2020 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Star actually might have been on the roster bubble. DT probably our deepest position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I know the virus is serious and these guys have decisions to make for them and their family, but I’m officially in the “Patriots exodus is cause of Brady leaving” camp. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I know the virus is serious and these guys have decisions to make for them and their family, but I’m officially in the “Patriots exodus is cause of Brady leaving” camp. That and it was probably miserable playing for bellicheck even during a normal season let alone one like this. Edited July 28, 2020 by Stank_Nasty 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I dunno, looks like Mongo has a secondary plan Translation please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 So let's list players that have arrived. Cole Beasley is here. Just now, No_Matter_What said: Translation please. Google onlyfans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What’s your daily screen time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said: Translation please. as someone mentioned, google. In essence, he is saying he will take his clothes off for money! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: That and it was probably miserable playing bellicheck even during a normal season let alone one like this. I actually think this is a factor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I know the virus is serious and these guys have decisions to make for them and their family, but I’m officially in the “Patriots exodus is cause of Brady leaving” camp. We have heard over and over and over....the Foxboro is not a nice place to play for a lot of players. That coaching staff wears on people. A lot of players probably only sign/played there because with Brady they thought they were a superbowl contender every year. Even if you think Bellichick makes the team a contender...with Brady gone 'half' of that 'winning draw' is gone. I'm sure a lot of players are hesitant to want to be there ESPECIALLY with new rules/regulations that may come because of Covid and how that coaching staff will deal with them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Questions, Bills now have $8.1 million more in cap and could save $7 million by cutting Murphy. You know where I'm going with this? Sign Clowney to a 1 year deal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taglientep Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: We have heard over and over and over....the Foxboro is not a nice place to play for a lot of players. That coaching staff wears on people. A lot of players probably only sign/played there because with Brady they thought they were a superbowl contender every year. Even if you think Bellichick makes the team a contender...with Brady gone 'half' of that 'winning draw' is gone. I'm sure a lot of players are hesitant to want to be there ESPECIALLY with new rules/regulations that may come because of Covid and how that coaching staff will deal with them. Are they tanking for Trevor? Getting Trevor Lawerence from Clemson #1 overall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Questions, Bills now have $8.1 million more in cap and could save $7 million by cutting Murphy. You know where I'm going with this? Sign Clowney to a 1 year deal? Think teams are really going to be eyeing the reduction in cap next year , and the next 4 years, and looking to roll over as much as possible each year. That is really gunna hamper Clowney i believe in terms of $$$$ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, plenzmd1 said: Think teams are really going to be eyeing the reduction in cap next year , and the next 4 years, and looking to roll over as much as possible each year. That is really gunna hamper Clowney i believe in terms of $$$$ You know what they say, worry about next year next year. Bills have a lot of ways to save money next year by cutting some players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 What I want to know is what happens if a team doesn’t want them back next year at this years cap hit? As has been stated on here, Star was no lock to make the roster, and even if he did, it wouldn’t have been a shock to see him get outplayed/replaced in season. Now we’re stuck with him at 8 million next year? How does that work if our other guys show out and we realize we have no use for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: You know what they say, worry about next year next year. Bills have a lot of ways to save money next year by cutting some players. Theys got a lot of homegrowns to sign next 2 years Just now, whatdrought said: What I want to know is what happens if a team doesn’t want them back next year at this years cap hit? As has been stated on here, Star was no lock to make the roster, and even if he did, it wouldn’t have been a shock to see him get outplayed/replaced in season. Now we’re stuck with him at 8 million next year? How does that work if our other guys show out and we realize we have no use for him? No, i think his guarantee was really small this year..as it will be next year. What i don't know is if they can re-negotiate with a player who opted out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, plenzmd1 said: Theys got a lot of homegrowns to sign next 2 years Clowney is a 1 year deal. Listen, the money I listed to sign Clowney was already accounted for. Star and Murphy. Sure Star's cap is spread out over 2 future years but this defense is taken to another level with Clowney IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Big ask but yolo is a rock star- any chance of a semi regularly updated list in the OP? Just easier than scrolling through pages of random tweets. Kind of like managing a UDFA thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Wayne Cubed said: Mitch Morse and AJ Kline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Mitch Morse and AJ Kline. have opted out? BTW, i dont understand the tweet from Mongo Edited July 28, 2020 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, plenzmd1 said: have opted out? No but prime candidates based on what Feliciano said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: have opted out? BTW, i dont understand the tweet from Mongo Guaranteed Money that is due to be paid this year gets to get wiped out with a season Cancelled. So those with big guaranteed money payouts Mango is saying they likely will OPT Out to keep all guaranteed money for 2020 rolled into 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: No but prime candidates based on what Feliciano said. i am really confused I would think if i have guaranteed money, and season starts, even 1 game, i get my guarantees. If i opt out, i get the $150 or $350 depending, but then my contract goes tolls to next year...so i could miss a year of guarantees? Lordy i am confused. If he is saying if i opt out i get guarantee no matter what, but if i don't and season is cancelled...not much of a choice there. We gunna see a lot more big name opt outs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Guaranteed Money that is due to be paid this year gets to get wiped out with a season Cancelled. So those with big guaranteed money payouts Mango is saying they likely will OPT Out to keep all guaranteed money for 2020 rolled into 2021. he did not say they would likely Opt out. He said some players would likely have it as a consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Guaranteed Money that is due to be paid this year gets to get wiped out with a season Cancelled. So those with big guaranteed money payouts Mango is saying they likely will OPT Out to keep all guaranteed money for 2020 rolled into 2021. wiat a minute you are saying..if player A opts out and has $10M of guaranteed money for the 20 season and 10M for the 21 season he has $20M guaranteed for 21? And if same player does not opt out, and season gets cancelled, he does not collect the $10M for this year and it does not roll to next year? So he is making a $10M bet the season will not get cancelled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: wiat a minute you are saying..if player A opts out and has $10M of guaranteed money for the 20 season and 10M for the 21 season he has $20M guaranteed for 21? And if same player does not opt out, and season gets cancelled, he does not collect the $10M for this year and it does not roll to next year? So he is making a $10M bet the season will not get cancelled? God i hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: wiat a minute you are saying..if player A opts out and has $10M of guaranteed money for the 20 season and 10M for the 21 season he has $20M guaranteed for 21? And if same player does not opt out, and season gets cancelled, he does not collect the $10M for this year and it does not roll to next year? So he is making a $10M bet the season will not get cancelled? The 2020 contract and its 10M guaranteed money goes into 2021. 2021 Contract into 2022. Etc etc. essentially you pause the contract. You get an accrued season for benefits reasons but not against contract. Edited July 28, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wild Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: wiat a minute you are saying..if player A opts out and has $10M of guaranteed money for the 20 season and 10M for the 21 season he has $20M guaranteed for 21? And if same player does not opt out, and season gets cancelled, he does not collect the $10M for this year and it does not roll to next year? So he is making a $10M bet the season will not get cancelled? Seems like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: wiat a minute you are saying..if player A opts out and has $10M of guaranteed money for the 20 season and 10M for the 21 season he has $20M guaranteed for 21? And if same player does not opt out, and season gets cancelled, he does not collect the $10M for this year and it does not roll to next year? So he is making a $10M bet the season will not get cancelled? I’d assume it’s that the contract pushes back differently depending on if you opt out now vs various scenarios if/when the nfl pulls the plug. id assume in mongos tweet much of the nuance likely couldn’t be conveyed, even assuming he fully understands all the possible options (not insulting him, just never know how deep guys have gotten in it vs an agent giving them cliff notes advice or hearing bad second hand info from a teammate) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: The 2020 contract and its 10M guaranteed money goes into 2021. 2021 Contract into 2022. Etc etc i am still confused...can you lay out what happens in that scenario that a player has $10M guaranteed this year, and $10M guaranteed in 21...and what happens if he opts out, and what happens if he does not but season gets cancelled? Thank you..i am really confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: i am still confused...can you lay out what happens in that scenario that a player has $10M guaranteed this year, and $10M guaranteed in 21...and what happens if he opts out, and what happens if he does not but season gets cancelled? Thank you..i am really confused ' If player opts out...any guaranteed money this year pushes to 2021 and any guaranteed money for 2021 gets pushed to 2022. If player does not opt out and season gets canceled they get no guaranteed money for 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Ok let me try it this way. say player A has 10M guaranteed for 2020. Now doesn’t opt out. Season Cancels buh bye 10M for 2020. but his 2021 contract remains. now if he opts out (pauses the contract) means no contract this year so 2020 becomes 2021. 2021 contract moves to 2022. they keep their entire contract with an opt out. In a cancelled or shortened season. Compared to not getting the full 17 game checks and such if the season is cancelled or shortened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Ok let me try it this way. say player A has 10M guaranteed for 2020. Now doesn’t opt out. Season Cancels buh bye 10M for 2020. but his 2021 contract remains. now if he opts out (pauses the contract) means no contract this year so 2020 becomes 2021. 2021 contract moves to 2022. they keep their entire contract with an opt out. In a cancelled or shortened season. Compared to not getting the full 17 game checks and such if the season is cancelled or shortened. Whhhhhhoooaaaaaa. That was a terrible idea. They are incentivizing guys opting out, especially if they try to read the tea leaves and conclude the season will be canceled. What if a guy opts out, but then the season is canceled. Does that result in his contract getting pushed. Or is his 2020 contract year cancelled as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Also to think about with these players. Say player A set to make 17M this season. season Cancels after 3 weeks. Player A pockets 3M only. Loses 14M. 2021 contract goes into affect in 2021. same player opts out and season Cancels after 3 weeks. He still can earn the entire 17M in 2021 as the contract slides. A year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ok let me try it this way. say player A has 10M guaranteed for 2020. Now doesn’t opt out. Season Cancels buh bye 10M for 2020. but his 2021 contract remains. now if he opts out (pauses the contract) means no contract this year so 2020 becomes 2021. 2021 contract moves to 2022. they keep their entire contract with an opt out. In a cancelled or shortened season. Compared to not getting the full 17 game checks and such if the season is cancelled or shortened. Well, WOW! if I had a big guarantee, no freaking way I am not opting out. Holy smokes that is some bad language in the agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Whhhhhhoooaaaaaa. That was a terrible idea. They are incentivizing guys opting out, especially if they try to read the tea leaves and conclude the season will be canceled. What if a guy opts out, but then the season is canceled. Does that result in his contract getting pushed. Or is his 2020 contract year cancelled as well? NFL Owners wanted to have the ability to cancel money this year. They got it. Now it also allows players to also game the system and make sure to protect their earning power. 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Whhhhhhoooaaaaaa. That was a terrible idea. They are incentivizing guys opting out, especially if they try to read the tea leaves and conclude the season will be canceled. What if a guy opts out, but then the season is canceled. Does that result in his contract getting pushed. Or is his 2020 contract year cancelled as well? If a player Opts out his contract is Paused. Meaning in a cancelled season nothing happens to his contract. guy plays his 2020 portion of the contract goes away if season cancelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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