YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) I am not going to get on anyone's case for opting out. This is especially tough, I would imagine, if you are a limited salary player anyways. Just going by the sheer math (I am sure there are other variables) he is also giving up $785,000 (i year $935,000 contract). Edited July 27, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Thanks YinO! I’ll pin this for a while for additions. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Great thread for a pin..thanks @YoloinOhio And for those that did not see in another thread, John Brown has , and correct me if I am wrong here Yolo, Sickle Cell Trait so would be considered high risk ?? Please correct me on what i have wrong there. Thanks again Edited July 27, 2020 by plenzmd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Thanks YinO! I’ll pin this for a while for additions. Thanks, not sure what to expect here in terms of numbers but if I see more I’ll post them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Smart move. Probably would have been cut and now gets $150K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Just now, Doc said: Smart move. Probably would have been cut and now gets $150K. It is an advance though, so if he returns next year it’s taken out of that salary. I guess if he never plays football again he just keeps it, not sure Edited July 27, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mramefa Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I am not going to get on anyone's case for opting out. This is especially tough, I would imagine, if you are a limited salary player anyways. Just going by the sheer math (I am sure there are other variables) he is also giving up $785,000 (i year $935,000 contract). He only had 25k guaranteed (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/deanthony-thomas-14535/), but gets 150k for the opt out. Could he have been told he would have to fight for a spot on the team? Could have been a calculated financial decision, especially taking risks into account. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dollars 2 donuts Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, nrenegar said: He only had 25k guaranteed (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/deanthony-thomas-14535/), but gets 150k for the opt out. Could he have been told he would have to fight for a spot on the team? Could have been a calculated financial decision, especially taking risks into account. Just checked, too. He has 3.55 million in career earnings. Man, this has got to hurt for the guy. Again, I will not get on anyone's case for opting out, but this just has to be tough. 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: $1.047 million. $15 million or so over his career. Edited July 27, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, nrenegar said: He only had 25k guaranteed (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/deanthony-thomas-14535/), but gets 150k for the opt out. Could he have been told he would have to fight for a spot on the team? Could have been a calculated financial decision, especially taking risks into account. I actually had a similar thought - that (whether or not he was told) he's effectively a "fringe player" for the team, with minimal chances to get in sync with Jackson so hard to beat anyone out. He gets $150k > $25k and doesn't have to worry about auditioning for other teams in the middle of a pandemic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I actually had a similar thought - that (whether or not he was told) he's effectively a "fringe player" for the team, with minimal chances to get in sync with Jackson so hard to beat anyone out. He gets $150k > $25k and doesn't have to worry about auditioning for other teams in the middle of a pandemic. But man, Hap, that has got to still be a tough sell for a young man who believes in himself. Additionally, it is not like he hasn't been making NFL rosters. Solid points, though, by you and @nrenegar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It is an advance though, so if he returns next year it’s taken out of that salary. I guess if he never plays football again he just keeps it, not sure If he doesn't play again, he owes the team the money that he received as an advance. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Lots of people will declare bankruptcy during COViD-19. Spend it, declare bankruptcy and NFLPA will defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) So.........no word on Mahomes or Lamar Jackson yet??? Come on, the Bills deserve a break, don’t you think? But seriously, this could really affect the balance of some divisions if key players opt out. . Edited July 27, 2020 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 As many of you have anticipated, I regret to announce that I will be exercising my right to opt-out for this season. This was not an easy decision but given the recent extensions granted by local courts with regard to several restraining orders limiting my access to the team's facilities, I don't feel that I had any choice. I am told that my refusal to engage in any off-season training and my stubborn resistance to any dietary limitations made me a long shot to make the roster anyway. My delusion dream of being the first 60 year old on an active NFL roster will have to wait. 4 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Mickey said: As many of you have anticipated, I regret to announce that I will be exercising my right to opt-out for this season. This was not an easy decision but given the recent extensions granted by local courts with regard to several restraining orders limiting my access to the team's facilities, I don't feel that I had any choice. I am told that my refusal to engage in any off-season training and my stubborn resistance to any dietary limitations made me a long shot to make the roster anyway. My delusion dream of being the first 60 year old on an active NFL roster will have to wait. If Frank Gore can play so can you. Suck it up. 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: And for those that did not see in another thread, John Brown has , and correct me if I am wrong here Yolo, Sickle Cell Trait so would be considered high risk ?? Please correct me on what i have wrong there. Thanks again You are correct...good memory. But having the trait is not identified as an opt-out. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22836078/john-brown-baltimore-ravens-says-sickle-cell-affecting-health Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 So if a guy opts out then he essentially is dropping out of the whole season? A player couldn't say "I choose not to come to camp because I'm afraid of catching Covid", then turn up a week before the season and say he'd like to play? I haven't followed this at all so I'm unsure of how it all works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Info said: You are correct...good memory. But having the trait is not identified as an opt-out. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22836078/john-brown-baltimore-ravens-says-sickle-cell-affecting-health I will need to double check but I thought I saw that it was 1 minute ago, RobbRiddick said: So if a guy opts out then he essentially is dropping out of the whole season? A player couldn't say "I choose not to come to camp because I'm afraid of catching Covid", then turn up a week before the season and say he'd like to play? I haven't followed this at all so I'm unsure of how it all works. Whole season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Lots of players retire, wait to team does not have cap space and unretire to get released. Are you sure NFLPA did not allow for a loophole? It does not sound like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Info Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I will need to double check but I thought I saw that it was Sickle cell is covered but not sickle cell trait. The trait, in simple terms, means 1 parent had sickle cell gene and the other did not. https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/news/2010/questions-and-answers-about-sickle-cell-trait 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Lots of players retire, wait to team does not have cap space and unretire to get released. Are you sure NFLPA did not allow for a loophole? It does not sound like them. lots? Incredibly few, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Info said: Sickle cell is covered but not sickle cell trait. The trait, in simple terms, means 1 parent had sickle cell gene and the other did not. https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/news/2010/questions-and-answers-about-sickle-cell-trait Ok - so Brown just has the trait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Lots of people will declare bankruptcy during COViD-19. Spend it, declare bankruptcy and NFLPA will defend him. You gotta look him in the eye, treat him with civility... Have him turn around so he can have deniability... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Info Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ok - so Brown just has the trait? Yes https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22836078/john-brown-baltimore-ravens-says-sickle-cell-affecting-health 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I wonder if NFL shuts down later in season with higher payments can opt outs upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I wonder if NFL shuts down later in season with higher payments can opt outs upgrade? There is a clause in place that if the season is cancelled no one gets paid. You can still opt out after week 1 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr Info said: Yes https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22836078/john-brown-baltimore-ravens-says-sickle-cell-affecting-health I didn't know that about Brown. And we play in Denver this year ... Ryan Clark sat out games at elevation based on his sickle cell trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ok - so Brown just has the trait? People with SCD shouldn't (I'd go so far as to say "can't") play sports, much less at the professional level. Edited July 27, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I didn't know that about Brown. And we play in Denver this year ... Ryan Clark sat out games at elevation based on his sickle cell trait. I heard one of the Bills reporters recently say that John brown played In Denver once when he was with the cardinals ... didn’t fact check that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bss Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Patriots starting right tackle has opted out too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bss said: Patriots starting right tackle has opted out too I had a feeling that would happen. Cancer survivor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 If they want to opt out for whatever reason, I understand. I just don’t see why they should get $150,000, but I did hear they have to pay back a portion of it. They should also not be credited for a year of service, as regular joe’s don’t. In my eyes, it’s simple, play get paid, don’t play (meaning opting not to work), don’t get paid. They shouldn’t be treated any differently then the general public. I respect any player that chooses for health or other reasons not to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: If they want to opt out for whatever reason, I understand. I just don’t see why they should get $150,000, but I did hear they have to pay back a portion of it. They should also not be credited for a year of service, as regular joe’s don’t. In my eyes, it’s simple, play get paid, don’t play (meaning opting not to work), don’t get paid. They shouldn’t be treated any differently then the general public. I respect any player that chooses for health or other reasons not to work. The only players who don’t need to pay it back and are credited for a year of service are the high risk players, from what I read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Yolo, thank you as always for the feedback. I liken that to in our corporate world where I work in hospitals and I have Type 1 Diabetes considered a high risk patient, would I be paid for sitting at home. No. I would not. I would have to be under the strictest control, and do my best to minimize my risk. I’m not cold hearted and if they want to not work, don’t work. They just shouldn’t be paid to not work as it is not the way of the rest of the world. I want to be clear though, I applaud anyone for them or their family for not working, they shouldn’t be given corporate welfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I had a feeling that would happen. Cancer survivor. *On that note, I can't imagine that Matthew Stafford is going to risk it. Edited July 27, 2020 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: There is a clause in place that if the season is cancelled no one gets paid. You can still opt out after week 1 though. Sounds like NFLPA needs new negotiators. They rarely leave money on table unless they think they can get it in court. 31 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: If they want to opt out for whatever reason, I understand. I just don’t see why they should get $150,000, but I did hear they have to pay back a portion of it. They should also not be credited for a year of service, as regular joe’s don’t. In my eyes, it’s simple, play get paid, don’t play (meaning opting not to work), don’t get paid. They shouldn’t be treated any differently then the general public. I respect any player that chooses for health or other reasons not to work. Once vested players play one game they are entitled to entire salary. I am guessing that is what NFLPA is counting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Looks like a mix of guys with legit reasons and a handful of bubble guys that are taking the $150k as a lump sum payment instead of risking getting cut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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