NFL proposal to NFLPA

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-tells-board-league-has-proposed-35-player-salary-escrow

 

Sorry if posted elsewhere. 

 

I was reading another article on how the best thing the NFL had months ago was time. They plodded along pushing forth the draft, keeping things as normal as possible 

for as long as they could go. But now time is not really on their side with camp just a few weeks away. They don't seem to have a clear cut policy on what will happens with fans and 

of course the lost revenue is going to hurt the pockets.

 

With the nature of the sport, I am not sure the players will ever agree to anything that. Michael Thomas already tweeted how players would rather sit out..

 

They have less than 2 months to figure this all out..seems like a tall task. Let's see what the nfl machine comes up with. 

[H2o]

I doubt the players go for this. Hopefully they listened to Marshawn and took care of their chicken. 

[Seasons1992]

No way in hades that football players would take a temporary paycut, considering the danger of the job as it is. Add in a pandemic, and I'd absolutely not play if this went through.

[Mr. WEO]

They would rather sit out (and not get paid) than have some of their money held in escrow (not a pay cut).

 

That's some union they got....

[Chandler#81]

Didn’t they all just have a big group hug with the new collective bargaining agreement? 

 

I guess a pandemic changes everything..

 

 

I’m only half kidding. But I’m beginning to seriously believe football ain’t gonna happen this year -on ANY level.

[BarleyNY]

13 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Didn’t they all just have a big group hug with the new collective bargaining agreement? 

 

I guess a pandemic changes everything..

 

 

I’m only half kidding. But I’m beginning to seriously believe football ain’t gonna happen this year -on ANY level.

Yup.  But much like when the shoe was on the other foot, the side with the upper hand wants something before they make a concession.  The league shanked this one in the CBA and they might have to take it on the chin a bit because of that.

 

No football is a very real possibility (probability IMO) at this point.  I think that the horrific mismanagement of the COVID-19 pandemic by many (no names as to not take this political) is going to cause a lot more than football to be shut down soon.  At this point I’d be happy if we get any football at all.  Late season 32 team tournament bracket in lieu of a season and playoffs anyone?

[Jerome007]

5 hours ago, Seasons1992 said:

No way in hades that football players would take a temporary paycut, considering the danger of the job as it is. Add in a pandemic, and I'd absolutely not play if this went through.

Their pay have gone up and up and up, year after year. No one likes a paycut, no matter how much you earn. But with careers being so short in football, you'd forego 3 millions and go for zero as you were supposed to get 4? Makes no sense. 99% of them will never make anything close to NFL money in their lifetime. They'd still make more than players a decade ago and these guys played.

[Punching Bag]

The big question is will they get paid if they do not play and no one in NFL is answering this.

The NFL is still having expenses and will be still be having expenses if no games are played.

 

If the players willingly choose to sit out will they get paid, how much of pay will they get and will they get health insurance, etc?

NFL teams could choose to fine them every day if they reuse to play which of course would result in NFLPA laywers trying to get courts to overrule NFL.

 

If states prevent teams from playing who absorbs the costs - the NFL or do their "partners" contribute?

 

If there is no season do all players get a year credit towards their benefit plan?

 

If there is no season are all contracts pushed a year in future or are teams supposed to just absorb this?

[iinii]

More money for the attorneys....as usual.

[MJS]

There's a large gap between the elite players who get paid mega millions (like Michael Thomas) and the depth players who are doing everything they can to hang on in the league and get another contract with a team.

 

The majority of players would want to play however possible, I think. But I'm not sure the power resides with them. It's probably the elites with the mega millions calling the shots.

[Augie]

8 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Didn’t they all just have a big group hug with the new collective bargaining agreement? 

 

I guess a pandemic changes everything..

 

 

I’m only half kidding. But I’m beginning to seriously believe football ain’t gonna happen this year -on ANY level.

 

I’m thinking a full season anywhere would be an absolute miracle, and if you can’t finish, why start? 

 

(Other than the money of course, which is the only reason they just might try.) 

[Warcodered]

8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

no names as to not take this political

Voldemort?

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Voldemort?

Shhhh!!!

24 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m thinking a full season anywhere would be an absolute miracle, and if you can’t finish, why start? 

 

(Other than the money of course, which is the only reason they just might try.) 

Exactly what I always say 

[steven50]

If they cancel the season a lot of older guys that were planning their last Hurrah this year wont get it. Sitting for a year would probably end a lot of careers

Edited July 9, 2020 by steven50

[Don Otreply]

On 7/8/2020 at 10:04 AM, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-tells-board-league-has-proposed-35-player-salary-escrow

 

Sorry if posted elsewhere. 

 

I was reading another article on how the best thing the NFL had months ago was time. They plodded along pushing forth the draft, keeping things as normal as possible 

for as long as they could go. But now time is not really on their side with camp just a few weeks away. They don't seem to have a clear cut policy on what will happens with fans and 

of course the lost revenue is going to hurt the pockets.

 

With the nature of the sport, I am not sure the players will ever agree to anything that. Michael Thomas already tweeted how players would rather sit out..

 

They have less than 2 months to figure this all out..seems like a tall task. Let's see what the nfl machine comes up with. 

The NFL does not have a plan because the states that the teams play in individually control if they play or not, and few to none of those states have a viable plan in place,  This all is contingent on the the virus being brought under control, and it is not even close to being so for the many more months to come. The NFL has no choice but to do what the governors of the states say they can do. The league is not the decision maker on this, they are merely going through the motions putting up a facade of being in control of their destiny on this. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

The NFL does not have a plan because the states that the teams play in individually control if they play or not, and few to none of those states have a viable plan in place,  This all is contingent on the the virus being brought under control, and it is not even close to being so for the many more months to come. The NFL has no choice but to do what the governors of the states say they can do. The league is not the decision maker on this, they are merely going through the motions putting up a facade of being in control of their destiny on this. 
 

Go Bills!!!

 

Has any governor in any state stated that any pro teams/leagues cannot play in their states?  They've had plenty of time to comment, as all leagues have been planning to start.  MLB is already training.  NYS has a plan---no fans in the stadium.

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Has any governor in any state stated that any pro teams/leagues cannot play in their states?  They've had plenty of time to comment, as all leagues have been planning to start.  MLB is already training.  NYS has a plan---no fans in the stadium.

I will rephrase... ?
 Right now, on a contingent basis they have permission to proceed with season preparations. But if the public health concerns rise enough the governors that care about peoples health will stop them from continuing, which can include no games played.  With 1in 99 residents of Florida currently being infected, (see what I mean about governors who care) and the southern and western sun belt states closing back down, it’s on shaky ground at best. “Plans” are written in sand on the waters edge at low tide at this point.  As much as it would suck, the pro leagues know full well there is a chance that there will be no season, and that in such case they will not be the decision makers concerning this. Any way, I’m feeling like a beer ? later ?
 

Go Bills!!!

[Mr. WEO]

31 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I will rephrase... ?
 Right now, on a contingent basis they have permission to proceed with season preparations. But if the public health concerns rise enough the governors that care about peoples health will stop them from continuing, which can include no games played.  With 1in 99 residents of Florida currently being infected, (see what I mean about governors who care) and the southern and western sun belt states closing back down, it’s on shaky ground at best. “Plans” are written in sand on the waters edge at low tide at this point.  As much as it would suck, the pro leagues know full well there is a chance that there will be no season, and that in such case they will not be the decision makers concerning this. Any way, I’m feeling like a beer ? later ?
 

Go Bills!!!

Even in those states your are referring to, governors are allowing MLB to play. Florida, awash in COVID, is allowing the NBA bubble to go forward. The worst hit states are clearly governed by those least likely to cancel sports.

 

If sports are a no go, based on we see happening right now, it won’t be governors but the leagues themselves who will decide.

[co_springs_billsfan]

On 7/8/2020 at 9:53 AM, Mr. WEO said:

They would rather sit out (and not get paid) than have some of their money held in escrow (not a pay cut).

 

That's some union they got....

There has been a lot talked about before and after your post talking about a pay cut.  It's not a pay cut.  It's a delay in payment.  No details of the delay have been released that I saw in that article.  For 80% of the players making the veteran minimum: Would you rather get 65% of your salary during the season and 35% sometime after, or no salary at all?  Michael Thomas is probably upset because he has a balloon payment on some island he bought coming due.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

There has been a lot talked about before and after your post talking about a pay cut.  It's not a pay cut.  It's a delay in payment.  No details of the delay have been released that I saw in that article.  For 80% of the players making the veteran minimum: Would you rather get 65% of your salary during the season and 35% sometime after, or no salary at all?  Michael Thomas is probably upset because he has a balloon payment on some island he bought coming due.

 

Yes, I said all that.

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Even in those states your are referring to, governors are allowing MLB to play. Florida, awash in COVID, is allowing the NBA bubble to go forward. The worst hit states are clearly governed by those least likely to cancel sports.

 

If sports are a no go, based on we see happening right now, it won’t be governors but the leagues themselves who will decide.

It may be so in the case of states with shoddy governance, such as Florida where the governor just does not care how many people get sick or die from this virus.

 

Oh and the beer was nice and cold on a hot afternoon, ?

[co_springs_billsfan]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yes, I said all that.

Just emphasizing it because it seems to be lost in translation

[iinii]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Has any governor in any state stated that any pro teams/leagues cannot play in their states?  They've had plenty of time to comment, as all leagues have been planning to start.  MLB is already training.  NYS has a plan---no fans in the stadium.

Not yet......stay tuned Batman. The train hasn’t even left the station yet. 

[machine gun kelly]

As the outbreak continues, it’s likely more and more states will follow suit with NYS and have no fans.  I still contend there will be games.  Why?  There is just too much $ involved.

 

Thomas sitting out is silly.  If he wanted to sit out because he’s worried about his family’s health and safety, I can understand it, but still getting $, just delayed by 35% is better than getting nothing.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, iinii said:

Not yet......stay tuned Batman. The train hasn’t even left the station yet. 

 

Sure it has.  MLB camps have begun.

[iinii]

On 7/10/2020 at 8:59 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Sure it has.  MLB camps have begun.

I don’t consider camp to be the “train” and this a NFL board. MLB, EPL, NBA those aren’t exactly apples to apples. 

[Simon Says]

On 7/8/2020 at 10:38 PM, MJS said:

There's a large gap between the elite players who get paid mega millions (like Michael Thomas) and the depth players who are doing everything they can to hang on in the league and get another contract with a team.

 

The majority of players would want to play however possible, I think. But I'm not sure the power resides with them. It's probably the elites with the mega millions calling the shots.

If it comes to a vote...those "elites " dont have a majority . If they sit out a season,they dont get paid. Some players are on their last contract and might consider that reduced (escrow) salary better than nothing. If the NFL goes ahead but some stars sit out..what level of play will we see? What if one team has ALL its players show up and other teams are hampered by stars sitting out. NFL will be "ALL players or none" to ensure parity?

Edited July 11, 2020 by Georgie

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, iinii said:

I don’t consider camp to be the “train” and this a NFL board. MLB, EPL, NBA those aren’t exactly apples to apples. 

 

The topic is who is in control of whether games are played (any sport):  the league or the state government.  I've have pointed out that MLB is starting and no governor has stopped them, so clearly the train (pro sports starting up) has left the station.

 

And governors aren't going to pick which sports can start over others, so it IS exactly apples to apples.

[iinii]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The topic is who is in control of whether games are played (any sport):  the league or the state government.  I've have pointed out that MLB is starting and no governor has stopped them, so clearly the train (pro sports starting up) has left the station.

 

And governors aren't going to pick which sports can start over others, so it IS exactly apples to apples.

Have any games been played, no. Camp is the garage, no trains have left the station. I checked the website. The only thing baseball and football have in common is they are sports. So they are both fruits but they are not both apples. 

[Mr. WEO]

32 minutes ago, iinii said:

Have any games been played, no. Camp is the garage, no trains have left the station. I checked the website. The only thing baseball and football have in common is they are sports. So they are both fruits but they are not both apples. 

 

 

COVID cases are blowing up far and wide, and yet no Governor has said anything about stopping pro sports from happening.  This would be the time to pull the plug. They can dictate some of the circumstances under which they can play (no fans for instance), but they will let the leagues decide.

 

Do you think any governor would prohibit only the NFL from going forward because it's "different" from MLB? Why?

[iinii]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

COVID cases are blowing up far and wide, and yet no Governor has said anything about stopping pro sports from happening.  This would be the time to pull the plug. They can dictate some of the circumstances under which they can play (no fans for instance), but they will let the leagues decide.

 

Do you think any governor would prohibit only the NFL from going forward because it's "different" from MLB? Why?

No.I don’t expect any governor to be the first or even the second for that matter. They are having enough trouble grappling with masks.  Most governors have shown they are mostly concerned with tax revenue. Baseball, Football, Basketball revenue are all welcome to state coffers. It won’t be the governors that stop the game. COVID will decide that. And none of that has anything to with my assertion that all of the talk about how this going to play out is a bit premature since they have yet to play a single game. 

[Mr. WEO]

On 7/9/2020 at 11:27 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Has any governor in any state stated that any pro teams/leagues cannot play in their states?  

 

On 7/10/2020 at 2:27 AM, iinii said:

Not yet..... 

 

Anyway. Now you agree that it won't be government, but the leagues themselves, based on the safety due to COVID status, that stop the games.

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 7/9/2020 at 12:55 PM, co_springs_billsfan said:

It's not a pay cut.  It's a delay in payment.

That don't confront me as long as I get my money next Friday.  

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

That don't confront me as long as I get my money next Friday.  

 

Now next Friday come you didn't have the rent...and out the door you went.

[NoSaint]

17 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

COVID cases are blowing up far and wide, and yet no Governor has said anything about stopping pro sports from happening.  This would be the time to pull the plug. They can dictate some of the circumstances under which they can play (no fans for instance), but they will let the leagues decide.

 

Do you think any governor would prohibit only the NFL from going forward because it's "different" from MLB? Why?

Volume of people and proximity being grossly different 

[frostbitmic]

I'd expect to see the NFL wait to see what happens with MLB.

 

If MLB teams are seriously affected by the Virus the NFL would likely back out of having a season.

 

I could see a covid test come back negative to a MLB umpire that should've come back positive. The umpire calls balls and strikes and infects both Catchers and every batter in the game ... Steeeerike 3 could have a whole new meaning.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Volume of people and proximity being grossly different 

 

 

Governors aren't going to split that hair.  No elected official will ever say: "Baseball?, Sure, go ahead.  NFL?  Nope."

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Governors aren't going to split that hair.  No elected official will ever say: "Baseball?, Sure, go ahead.  NFL?  Nope."

I’d likewise be surprised but not sure watching a goal line run vs an rbi double in the gap would lend itself to the term splitting hairs here. They are drawing lines in between all kinds of gatherings that are much more similar to each other than these. 

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I’d likewise be surprised but not sure watching a goal line run vs an rbi double in the gap would lend itself to the term splitting hairs here. They are drawing lines in between all kinds of gatherings that are much more similar to each other than these. 

The South has shown there is nothing that will prompt them to stop events such as sports.  But even in NYS, Cuomo has said sure, just no fans.  

 

They won't split any hairs between such activities no matter their  diametrical differences in orders of magnitude.  They aren’t considering the intimacy of the various sports—at all.  It’s  political suicide.  Sports governing bodies, solely,  are deciding whether there are sports.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Mr. WEO