ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: yeah, but you’re a good person. I would know. despite your shortcomings. ? I pick up garbage too. Even post-COVID. I use the "Disney Swoop"... Hardly know what I am up too... ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: At least curb it or put it on the side so it can't roll anywhere. Oh it won't roll anywhere when it's on its side... in a very rare scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, T&C said: Oh it won't roll anywhere when it's on its side... in a very rare scenario. So..............I’ve heard of COW tipping. You go CART tipping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) I always wanted to invent pop down skis for carts in Northern climates. Would work right? Turn your cart into a sled. Like the mechanism on those ladders in stores. I am such a blabber mouth. Now someone will make a zillion bucks in Buffalo and they can quit plowing parking lots. Edited July 4, 2020 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, Augie said: So..............I’ve heard of COW tipping. You go CART tipping? Once every few years... yes.. yes I do. 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I always wanted to invent pop down skis for carts in Northern climates. Would work right? Turn your cart into a sled. Like the mechanism on those ladders in stores. I am such a blabber mouth. Now someone will make a zillion bucks in Buffalo and they can quit plowing parking lots. They would all be stolen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, T&C said: So, what we see here is a lot of good citizens on a message board. Next time I come out of Publix in a torrential down pour I'm still leaving that cart wherever it may be. Otherwise, its the cart corral. I just see normal decent people. You should put the cart back unless have some kind of handicap. But if that were the case, I imagine an employee would be helping you out. Kids aren't an excuse either, in most cases. I would just buckle mine up, lock the doors, and roll the cart back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) I almost always return my cart to inside the store, before the pandemic, I'd simply push into the other carts waiting to be used. If it's raining or I'm in an extreme hurry, I might bring it to the corral. The thing I NEVER do, and get pissed when I see it, is leave the cart in the parking space or anywhere where it could roll into it. People who do that are indefensible morons. Even they could place the cart somewhere where it won't roll, or get into the way of traffic and parking. During this pandemic, I usually leave it outside the store (corral or just outside the door) so it will be sanitized before another person uses it, or give it directly to the person sanitizing carts (if there is one). I see people putting carts back into the queue (where the sign says "Carts sanitized" or something to that effect) and then just walk away. I despise idiots like that. I was at a Winn Dixie a couple weeks ago and the employee standing right next to the Carts Sanitized sign was just pushing carts into the the queue. Not sanitizing them at all, and not hiding it. I decided to report him to the manager. I made a point to make sure he knew I did it, too. Normally I'd be upset at getting someone in trouble or fired. I had NO such feelings that time. I almost wanted to say, "He's doing this in plain view. How could you NOT see it. You ALL should be fired." But I didn't go that far. Edited July 4, 2020 by The Dean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Dean said: I almost always return my cart to inside the store, before the pandemic, I'd simply push into the other carts waiting to be used. If it's raining or I'm in an extreme hurry, I might bring it to the corral. The thing I NEVER do, and get pissed when I see it, is leave the cart in the parking space or anywhere where it could roll into it. People who do that are indefensible morons. Even they could place the cart somewhere where it won't roll, or get into the way of traffic and parking. During this pandemic, I usually leave it outside the store (corral or just outside the door) so it will be sanitized before another person uses it, or give it directly to the person sanitizing carts (if there is one). I see people putting carts back into the queue (where the sign says "Carts sanitized" or something to that effect) and then just walk away. I despise idiots like that. I was at a Winn Dixie a couple weeks ago and the employee standing right next to the Carts Sanitized sign was just pushing carts into the the queue. Not sanitizing them at all, and not hiding it. I decided to report him to the manager. I made a point to make sure he knew I did it, too. Normally I'd be upset at getting someone in trouble or fired. I had NO such feelings that time. I almost wanted to say, "He's doing this in plain view. How could you NOT see it. You ALL should be fired." But I didn't go that far. You are most likely NOT gonna pick it up from objects according to the CDC current findings. Unless someone coughed all over it seconds earlier, the virus is weakening outside a human body. I think they are figuring this out now. It's being spread people to people. You'd get it in your digestive tract first than upper respiratory. I am not nearly as OCD as I was when we just didn't know. I probably wouldn't have complained, but agree with your other stuff. Edited July 4, 2020 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I have to make a correction. At Aldi, I leave the 25 cents on the parking lot, so they have to pay an employee to go get it. At least I am kicking in... If I ever do shop at Aldi. LoL... The name brand stuff is on par with other stores. It's just their store brand that is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 18 hours ago, Success said: I usually do. But sometimes I don't. same. And when I don’t, I am usually filled with guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 10 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I am such a blabber mouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I have to make a correction. At Aldi, I leave the 25 cents on the parking lot, so they have to pay an employee to go get it. At least I am kicking in... If I ever do shop at Aldi. LoL... The name brand stuff is on par with other stores. It's just their store brand that is cheap. The quarter at Aldi is a deposit to encourage customers to return their carts. When you return the cart properly, you get your quarter back. Why it took the Bills so long to figure this out, I'll never know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On the rare occasions that I don’t. I make sure it’s “lodged” in such a a way that y won’t roll. lift the front wheels up onto / over a curb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 7 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: You are most likely NOT gonna pick it up from objects according to the CDC current findings. Unless someone coughed all over it seconds earlier, the virus is weakening outside a human body. I think they are figuring this out now. It's being spread people to people. You'd get it in your digestive tract first than upper respiratory. I am not nearly as OCD as I was when we just didn't know. I probably wouldn't have complained, but agree with your other stuff. While they now say you are far less likely to contract the virus from a surface, it is still possible. But my point is, if the establishment claims to sanitize the carts before putting them in the queue: 1. They should sanitize the cart before putting it in the queue. 2. I'm going to respect that and not just push a cart, unsanitized, into the queue. I'm not OCD or a real germophobe, but many others are. Plus I have a healthy (hopefully) respect for this Coronavirus and I'm not going to pretend it's "just the flu". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewPort71 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 11 hours ago, The Dean said: I almost always return my cart to inside the store, before the pandemic, I'd simply push into the other carts waiting to be used. If it's raining or I'm in an extreme hurry, I might bring it to the corral. The thing I NEVER do, and get pissed when I see it, is leave the cart in the parking space or anywhere where it could roll into it. People who do that are indefensible morons. Even they could place the cart somewhere where it won't roll, or get into the way of traffic and parking. During this pandemic, I usually leave it outside the store (corral or just outside the door) so it will be sanitized before another person uses it, or give it directly to the person sanitizing carts (if there is one). I see people putting carts back into the queue (where the sign says "Carts sanitized" or something to that effect) and then just walk away. I despise idiots like that. I was at a Winn Dixie a couple weeks ago and the employee standing right next to the Carts Sanitized sign was just pushing carts into the the queue. Not sanitizing them at all, and not hiding it. I decided to report him to the manager. I made a point to make sure he knew I did it, too. Normally I'd be upset at getting someone in trouble or fired. I had NO such feelings that time. I almost wanted to say, "He's doing this in plain view. How could you NOT see it. You ALL should be fired." But I didn't go that far. Growing up and shopping at Loblaws or Tops we alway returned the carts to the store. It was something that you just did. Here IN WV most peeps place their "buggies" in the corral after unloading the 8 6-packs of Mt. Dew. I used to return the buggies to the store but now with the sanitizing process I place buggies to the corral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, mead107 said: I have a tool to get the quarter out when people turn to the shelf. Takes 2 seconds can make 5-6$ real easy. Not surprising outta you. Go eat crabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 16 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I always wanted to invent pop down skis for carts in Northern climates. Would work right? Turn your cart into a sled. Like the mechanism on those ladders in stores. I am such a blabber mouth. Now someone will make a zillion bucks in Buffalo and they can quit plowing parking lots. there is one accurate item buried in here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 12:24 PM, Happy said: People who can't walk a couple of extra steps to put their cart in the parking lot cart return area are just lazy....in any weather. Eh. If you have an infant and a small todder with you, the sequencing can be problematic. Do you put the baby and the todder in the car so they're buckled in and protected from weather, before you unload the groceries? Or do you leave the baby and toddler in the sun/rain/snow and try to keep one eye on them while unloading? Then, if the kids are still with the cart and you return it, you get to lug/walk them back to the car from the cart which can be tougher than it sounds if the toddler is cranky and does the tantrum/collapse thing. Or, if they're in the car, do you leave them there while you return the cart and risk the car being jacked along with your kids - it has happened? Some stores have a lot of cart corrals so it's literally a couple steps. Some, it's a hike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Eh. If you have an infant and a small todder with you, the sequencing can be problematic. Do you put the baby and the todder in the car so they're buckled in and protected from weather, before you unload the groceries? Or do you leave the baby and toddler in the sun/rain/snow and try to keep one eye on them while unloading? Then, if the kids are still with the cart and you return it, you get to lug/walk them back to the car from the cart which can be tougher than it sounds if the toddler is cranky and does the tantrum/collapse thing. Or, if they're in the car, do you leave them there while you return the cart and risk the car being jacked along with your kids - it has happened? Some stores have a lot of cart corrals so it's literally a couple steps. Some, it's a hike. If it is a nice day (no precipitation) then unload the groceries and take the child with you to the cart return. If there is precipitation, put the child in the car first, unload the groceries, then return the cart. No one else should have to pay for someone else's convenience; it isn't right for another person to have to work around someone else's cart that they left in a parking space or against a neighboring car where that owner will have to deal with the cart which wasn't theirs. Returning a cart shouldn't take more than 30 seconds in pretty much any lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: there is one accurate item buried in here. I am blabber mouth. LoL... And it wasn't exactly buried. I wear the badge proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 21 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I take them right back to the door and grab any extra I see. Every time. Every place. People are lazy... 21 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I pick up garbage too. Even post-COVID. I use the "Disney Swoop"... Hardly know what I am up too... ? ? As to the OP, the post on whatever chan that was is absolutely spot on. There's no real incentive to return a cart, and there's absolutely no punishment for not returning it (unless you get caught by Cart Narcs!). The only motivation is that it helps out people that you'll probably never meet. If you don't do it, you and your unfortunate progeny should be publicly shamed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: As to the OP, the post on whatever chan that was is absolutely spot on. There's no real incentive to return a cart, and there's absolutely no punishment for not returning it (unless you get caught by Cart Narcs!). The only motivation is that it helps out people that you'll probably never meet. If you don't do it, you and your unfortunate progeny should be publicly shamed. Agree. I don't know how everybody was raised... But... I was always taught: "Make it easier for the next guy." Why not help out? Aldi charges 25 cents so they don't have to pay someone. That ain't right. Really? Cheap food for my fat azz is more important than keeping people working. Sorry. Charge me more. I will still help the kid out. Make their job easier. OH. Sorry. My posting style is a work in progress. ? ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Agree. I don't know how everybody was raised... But... I was always taught: "Make it easier for the next guy." Why not help out? Aldi charges 25 cents so they don't have to pay someone. That ain't right. Really? Cheap food for my fat azz is more important than keeping people working. Sorry. Charge me more. I will still help the kid out. Make their job easier. OH. Sorry. My posting style is a work in progress. ? ?. Some places around here have the Quarter locks on them that you need to insert a coin to unlock the cart and get it back when you put it back locked to another one. Usually works well even though you would think a quarter today isn't worth much. Some stores even have locks on the carts that are activated if they get a certain distance away from the doors so you can't leave the property with them. I always put my cart back in the cart coral/return area. It's difficult at time because I would have a child with me. I always felt awkward if I put them in my truck and just ran over a few spots to put the cart back because of what people would think of me leaving my kid in the vehicle. When it's raining it's tough to go down with the empty cart to return I and have to walk back with the kid. It's always better then just leaving the cart somewhere in a parking spot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If you have an infant and a small todder with you, the sequencing can be problematic. Do you put the baby and the todder in the car so they're buckled in and protected from weather, before you unload the groceries? Or do you leave the baby and toddler in the sun/rain/snow and try to keep one eye on them while unloading? Then, if the kids are still with the cart and you return it, you get to lug/walk them back to the car from the cart which can be tougher than it sounds if the toddler is cranky and does the tantrum/collapse thing. Or, if they're in the car, do you leave them there while you return the cart and risk the car being jacked along with your kids - it has happened? I feel like the answer is some shopping cart variation of this: First you take the chicken across the river. Go back for the corn. Drop off the corn and bring the chicken back. Leave the chicken on the first shore and take the fox across. Leave the fox with the corn. Return for the chicken and bring it across. Everyone's safe. Edited July 5, 2020 by WhoTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 7/4/2020 at 11:48 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Eh. If you have an infant and a small todder with you, the sequencing can be problematic. Do you put the baby and the todder in the car so they're buckled in and protected from weather, before you unload the groceries? Or do you leave the baby and toddler in the sun/rain/snow and try to keep one eye on them while unloading? Then, if the kids are still with the cart and you return it, you get to lug/walk them back to the car from the cart which can be tougher than it sounds if the toddler is cranky and does the tantrum/collapse thing. Or, if they're in the car, do you leave them there while you return the cart and risk the car being jacked along with your kids - it has happened? Some stores have a lot of cart corrals so it's literally a couple steps. Some, it's a hike. you secure the kids in the car first every time, even in perfect weather. That's the safest place for them. Lock the doors when you return the cart. But T&C doesn't even have kids. He's just an old, lazy dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: you secure the kids in the car first every time, even in perfect weather. That's the safest place for them. Lock the doors when you return the cart. But T&C doesn't even have kids. He's just an old, lazy dude. Not so fast. Here in the Heartland, when the car is initially unlocked, it is typically broiling hot in there. No way does any sane parent want to stick their kid in there and lock the door, not without the car running and the AC blasting. Their brains would cook. And locking the kids in a running car is a whole different level of risk My point is, I’m just not gonna be so quick to be harsh and judgy about people who leave their shopping cart next to the car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 "The needs of the shopping many outweigh the needs of the shopping few, or the shopping one". ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not so fast. Here in the Heartland, when the car is initially unlocked, it is typically broiling hot in there. No way does any sane parent want to stick their kid in there and lock the door, not without the car running and the AC blasting. Their brains would cook. And locking the kids in a running car is a whole different level of risk My point is, I’m just not gonna be so quick to be harsh and judgy about people who leave their shopping cart next to the car. You're being overdramatic. I guess you can try to play the "good parent" card here, but it doesn't come off as genuine. Your kids are in the car maybe 20 secs at most? You have the keys. Keep a window cracked open? These are just excuses for lazy cart abandoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: you secure the kids in the car first every time, even in perfect weather. That's the safest place for them. Lock the doors when you return the cart. But T&C doesn't even have kids. He's just an old, lazy dude. Lol... have we met or is this just a guess? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 35 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: But T&C doesn't even have kids. He's just an old, lazy dude. "Hello, honey?...it's me, T&C. I'm in jail, the grandkids are eating cookies and drinking sodas at the Cop Shop, the windows are smashed out of the car from the 'rescue', and I didn't get the quarter out of the slot in the shopping cart!" ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: You're being overdramatic. I guess you can try to play the "good parent" card here, but it doesn't come off as genuine. Your kids are in the car maybe 20 secs at most? You have the keys. Keep a window cracked open? These are just excuses for lazy cart abandoners. I’m whatever you say, but 1) some cart corrals are 20-30 seconds away, some are several minutes walk across the parking lot and back 2) Cracking a window doesn’t “cut it” for keeping a dog cool, why would it be effective for a baby. NFW would I have ever placed my kid in a hot car around here and walk away to return a cart, nor in a running car that I then locked and walked away from. Unsafe That was 19-20 years ago Less safe today. And Frankly, my Dear, I don’t Give a Damn whether or not you think that’s Genuine. I also have little respect for people who respond in a discussion by telling other people they’re “playing a card” - speaking of “not Genuine” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not so fast. Here in the Heartland, when the car is initially unlocked, it is typically broiling hot in there. No way does any sane parent want to stick their kid in there and lock the door, not without the car running and the AC blasting. Their brains would cook. And locking the kids in a running car is a whole different level of risk My point is, I’m just not gonna be so quick to be harsh and judgy about people who leave their shopping cart next to the car. Excellent point. But I hope you, and other stressed parents, at least find a place to secure the cart so it doesn't roll out into the parking lot aisle, parking space or vehicle. I think there is a decent argument for leaving them in the corrals. If everybody brought back their carts (as I do in normal times) it might cost jobs for those paid to retrieve them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I also have little respect for people who respond in a discussion by telling other people they’re “playing a card” - speaking of “not Genuine” 3 of ♣️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, T&C said: Lol... have we met or is this just a guess? Its a hunch! All based on this thread alone. 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I’m whatever you say, but 1) some cart corrals are 20-30 seconds away, some are several minutes walk across the parking lot and back 2) Cracking a window doesn’t “cut it” for keeping a dog cool, why would it be effective for a baby. NFW would I have ever placed my kid in a hot car around here and walk away to return a cart, nor in a running car that I then locked and walked away from. Unsafe That was 19-20 years ago Less safe today. And Frankly, my Dear, I don’t Give a Damn whether or not you think that’s Genuine. I also have little respect for people who respond in a discussion by telling other people they’re “playing a card” - speaking of “not Genuine” You're playing the card hard right now. And you're raising more card playing shopping cart abandoners. The future is bleak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 Well, I am being sort of lazy today and I'm kind of old... too young to go to the original Woodstock though, my Mother wouldn't let me. Hapless is 100% correct, even with tinted windows a parked vehicle sitting for an hour in Florida can get to insane temps... metal pieces will burn the ***** out of you until the AC has a little time to work. No way you are putting kids right into that thing. Either I or the wife shop, rarely together... its not like a grocery store is something new or unique. Like I said, unless its a monsoon Florida afternoon rain... during the summer/fall months they can pop up out of nowhere... I take the cart back to the corral. Heavy duty storm, that cart is sitting right where I left it, too risky to be moving a piece of metal around with lightning happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: You're being overdramatic. I guess you can try to play the "good parent" card here, but it doesn't come off as genuine. Your kids are in the car maybe 20 secs at most? You have the keys. Keep a window cracked open? These are just excuses for lazy cart abandoners. If only your parents were not so lazy and used a condom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Here's a novel idea: Park next to a corral. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I will typically return the cart, but when I cannot, I do the right thing and pound one of the wheels down with a hammer so it will not roll into anything. I shop a lot, so if you’ve ever used a cart after I did, you are very welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 9 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Here's a novel idea: Park next to a corral. ***** thank you. Let's not act like there aren't parking spaces next to the corral, considering most Americans are lazy ***** and the corrals tend to be further out than your typical 35 BMI patron wants to walk in that oppressive heat. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 i always put the carts back. at pet smart i'll walk it back into the store. you touched/used the cart, put the thing back. if you're too lazy to put it back, don't take it in the first place. at wegmans recently, i was in line with a guy that was around my age. looked to be in good shape. we walked out together, and this guy parked his escalade in handicap. the guy had no problems getting around, hoisting the bags in, etc. once he was done what does he do? leaves the cart in the handicap space next to him, and drives away. people like that deserve to get kicked in the face. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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