Goodell Admits NFL Was Wrong Not to Listen

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, Logic said:

I live in Portland. I was just downtown today. Andy Ngo is full of *****, as always. He's a Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, far right lunatic. He'd call a bee "Antifa" if it stung him.

 

"He'd call a bee "Antifa" if it stung him LOLOLOL

[Beast]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He appears to be positioned on a balcony far above the fray, not actually AT the protest

 

NFL Facebook page shows him marching at the protest. 

[thunderingsquid]

14 hours ago, Beast said:

I don’t think so. This is a social justice thread, if you will. Now that the NFL is on board with BLM, will they take a different view on the Redskins?

I hope so.  It's been a long time coming.  And IMO maybe they wouldn't suck so much if they did change.  Couldn't hurt.

[K-9]

2 hours ago, BmarvB said:

He's admitting Kaep was right all along

And all without the courage to even mention his name. 

3 hours ago, Beast said:

Mr. Haskins, the QB for the REDSKINS, shown here at a BLM protest.

So was this guy:

 

 

Say what we want, but Romney isn’t afraid to buck the “expected” trend. I find that admirable.

[Logic]

14 hours ago, hjnick said:

Guys/Gals, I could go on with this banter, but I really come to this board to talk about the Bills.

 

I'm going to bow out of this conversation now.

 

Carry on.

Drops a bunch of nonsense and lies into a thread for several straight pages, leaves as soon as people start calling out his ridiculousness. Seems about right.

[Billl]

14 hours ago, hjnick said:

 

 

In my reply to you, I was saying why the issue of 'murder of black people' has become political, which is what Kaep was kneeling for...

 

Antifa is using the current situation to incite violence.  I do not think they really care about the real issue, "murder of black people".  IMO, they are the ones that helped to incite rioting and destroying to businesses.

 

 

I checked the latest overnight numbers.  Including last night, the total of people killed by Antifa is now 0.

[Billl]

12 hours ago, Logic said:

I live in Portland. I was just downtown today. Andy Ngo is full of *****, as always. He's a Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, far right lunatic. He'd call a bee "Antifa" if it stung him.

You know what I DID see in downtown Portland today?
 

As for Ngo's quote about the FBI? Surprise, surprise. Horeseshit.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-no-intelligence-antifa-weekend-violence-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?fbclid=IwAR38cQ6S9t4fKAz-Dma4_v-e8zKuohs-VXAwDYjgjx7RnBm127zQGWQekWA

"The FBI has "no intelligence" indicating that "antifa" was involved in violence over the weekend related to protests following the death of George Floyd, a 46-year-old black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes, The Nation reported"




.....Coming in here quoting nonsense and slandering my city. At least get a better source.

OMG, is that Grazni, Aleppo, Sarajevo, or Portland?  What an absolutely horrific scene.  It’s truly a war zone.

[thebandit27]

14 hours ago, Logic said:

I live in Portland. I was just downtown today. Andy Ngo is full of *****, as always. He's a Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, far right lunatic. He'd call a bee "Antifa" if it stung him.

You know what I DID see in downtown Portland today?
 

As for Ngo's quote about the FBI? Surprise, surprise. Horeseshit.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-no-intelligence-antifa-weekend-violence-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?fbclid=IwAR38cQ6S9t4fKAz-Dma4_v-e8zKuohs-VXAwDYjgjx7RnBm127zQGWQekWA

"The FBI has "no intelligence" indicating that "antifa" was involved in violence over the weekend related to protests following the death of George Floyd, a 46-year-old black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes, The Nation reported"




.....Coming in here quoting nonsense and slandering my city. At least get a better source.

I don’t know who Andy Ngo is, but do you live near this part of Portland?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.koin.com/news/crime/photos-damage-to-downtown-portland-after-overnight-riot/amp/

 

https://katu.com/news/local/photos-downtown-portland-damage-after-3-nights-of-protests#photo-9

 

Maybe he’s not making it up...

Edited June 8, 2020 by thebandit27

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

I don’t know who Andy Ngo is, but do you live near this part of Portland?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.koin.com/news/crime/photos-damage-to-downtown-portland-after-overnight-riot/amp/

 

https://katu.com/news/local/photos-downtown-portland-damage-after-3-nights-of-protests#photo-9

 

Maybe he’s not making it up...

 

Please explain how damaged storefronts prove Antifa involvement, which is what Hjnick, Andy Ngo, and Trump are pushing.

 

Please also refer back to the part of my post that links an article showing that the FBI found no evidence whatsoever of Antifa involvement.

 

Please ALSO feel free to educate yourself on the 8 straight nights of predominately peaceful protests that followed the first few nights.

 

Please ALSO feel free to go turn on the news. There are protests happening in 400 American cities and across the globe. Once again, Antifa involvement, is something investigations have found no evidence of.

 

Please also feel free to read about how far-right groups have been inciting violence and posing as Antifa and tell us about your outrage over that:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/twitter-removes-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-antifa/story%3fid=71024345

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/3-boogaloo-men-terror-charges-george-floyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6%3famp

 

Most of all, just feel free to really educate yourself about the topic being discussed before inserting yourself into a conversation and trying to pretend that you know more about Portland than a person who actually lives there.

[Gugny]

17 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

I don’t know who Andy Ngo is, but do you live near this part of Portland?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.koin.com/news/crime/photos-damage-to-downtown-portland-after-overnight-riot/amp/

 

https://katu.com/news/local/photos-downtown-portland-damage-after-3-nights-of-protests#photo-9

 

Maybe he’s not making it up...

 

I don't think he's disputing that violence and damage occurred.  I think he's disputing that Antifa were involved.

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

Please explain how damaged storefronts prove Antifa involvement, which is what Hjnick, Andy Ngo, and Trump are pushing.

 

Please also refer back to the part of my post that links an article showing that the FBI found no evidence whatsoever of Antifa involvement.

 

Please ALSO feel free to educate yourself on the 8 straight nights of predominately peaceful protests that followed the first few nights.

 

Please ALSO feel free to go turn on the news. There are protests happening in 400 American cities and across the globe. Once again, Antifa involvement, is something investigations have found no evidence of.

 

Please also feel free to read about how far-right groups have been inciting violence and posing as Antifa and tell us about your outrage over that:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/twitter-removes-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-antifa/story%3fid=71024345

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/3-boogaloo-men-terror-charges-george-floyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6%3famp

 

Most of all, just feel free to really educate yourself about the topic being discussed before inserting yourself into a conversation and trying to pretend that you know more about Portland than a person who actually lives there.

Did you flip through the pictures? There were Antifa markings painted in a few of them.

 

Also, chill a bit. I don’t even know who Andy Ngo is and I’m not stumping for anyone. 
 

Never once did I say that I know more about Portland than you, so maybe try relaxing a bit and not getting overly emotional about it.

 

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't think he's disputing that violence and damage occurred.  I think he's disputing that Antifa were involved.

See above.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

Did you flip through the pictures? There were Antifa markings painted in a few of them.

 

Also, chill a bit. I don’t even know who Andy Ngo is and I’m not stumping for anyone. 
 

Never once did I say that I know more about Portland than you, so maybe try relaxing a bit and not getting overly emotional about it.

 

See above.

 

Personally, I think it's pretty clear that the only person who said Antifa was involved, initially, was that piece of crap living in the white house.  After that the far-right sect of his "cult of stupidity" sprang into action to "back it up."

 

But that's just my opinion.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

Personally, I think it's pretty clear that the only person who said Antifa was involved, initially, was that piece of crap living in the white house.  After that the far-right sect of his "cult of stupidity" sprang into action to "back it up."

 

But that's just my opinion.

Well I’ll say two things about that:

1) the poster specifically mentioned Portland, so if Antifa were involved in looting/rioting, that location would make the most sense since I understood Portland to be their proverbial home turf

2) if they weren’t involved at all, then some other group made sure to use some of their typical “artwork” to make it look that way...which was really all I was saying to Logic: that all it takes is to look at some pics from Portland area news sites that show the graffiti to see why someone would suggest that they’re involved in the damage.

 

Apparently that makes me an uneducated fool that thinks he knows more about Portland than a resident.

[Ecmic82]

19 hours ago, hjnick said:

We are all for stopping the unnecessary violence towards blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, when in the custody of the police.  The George Floyd incident has put 99.9% of everyone on the same side.  The cop that did this should be put away for a LONG LONG time.

 

It's a political issue because of different groups that have made this political.  Black Lives Matter as a group is a far left group.  Antifa is a WAY far left group. Both of these group have politicized this.

Here's the thing. The George Floyd "incident" (nice euphemism) shouldn't have had to be the spark to put "99.9% of everyone on the same side". This type of thing has been going on for CENTURIES. People are FINALLY coming around to the same side of this issue because voices like Colin Kaepernick's are no longer being silenced. Willful ignorance by people who'd just rather not have to deal with these issues is become less and less of an option. 

 

And no, it's not a political issue because of "far left" groups. This has been a political issue since day one of the country's founding. Was slavery not political? Was Jim Crow or segregation not political? Are things like redlining not ecopolitical? I'm not going too far out on a limb when I guess you just haven't had a reason to notice these types of injustices, or their centuries-long root in social governance. But yeah, it's ALWAYS been political, even for people that weren't born yesterday.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Ecmic82

[Billl]

The only people I’ve ever heard even use the term Antifa are the Fox News types.  To the extent that they even exist, they certainly aren’t self-promoters.  If they’re spray painting something, it has a message.  They don’t just scrawl their own name on a wall.  The far right talks about Antifa more than Antifa talks about Antifa.

[thebandit27]

8 minutes ago, Billl said:

The only people I’ve ever heard even use the term Antifa are the Fox News types.  To the extent that they even exist, they certainly aren’t self-promoters.  If they’re spray painting something, it has a message.  They don’t just scrawl their own name on a wall.  The far right talks about Antifa more than Antifa talks about Antifa.

Here’s a pretty solid piece about the movement from that bastion of far-right ideology known as The Atlantic:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534192/

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Did you flip through the pictures? There were Antifa markings painted in a few of them.

 

Also, chill a bit. I don’t even know who Andy Ngo is and I’m not stumping for anyone. 
 

Never once did I say that I know more about Portland than you, so maybe try relaxing a bit and not getting overly emotional about it.

 

A few markings painted on walls? Definitive prove! Forget the FBI investigation, we've got a few paintings here!

You'll have to forgive me for being overly emotional. I've spent the past 7 days watching the Portland Police Department -- which has a long history of racism and brutality -- firing tear gas at peacefully assembled citizens -- including children -- during a pandemic that affects the lungs, shoot rubber bullets directly at protestors, fire pepper bullets at pregnant women, and unlawfully attack and arrest members of the press. Don't get me wrong, there are agitators and law breakers and such, but the VAST majority of protestors are peaceful and are breaking no laws, and they're STILL getting attacked. It's happening night after night. I can show you many videos of this taking place if you wish. And in the midst of all of this, every now and then, you have people popping in claiming that Antifa, of all things, is the major problem. Forget the police force that my tax dollars pay for that have a $293 million dollar budget and are armed to the teeth with military weaponry, attacking citizens exercising their 1st amendment rights and battering members of the press....it's ANTIFA we've got to worry about! Right. 

So again, do forgive me. I recognize that I jumped down your throat a bit there. But understand: This isn't a joke to me, or a passing curiosity that's interesting to watch on the news. It's the citizens of my city, being attacked by heavily armed agents of the state, for -- in many cases -- no legal or justifiable reason, night after night. It's friends being arrested without being read their Miranda rights, having their phones taken away, being detained for 12 hours, receiving no access to a phone call, and then being released in far-off parts of the city, with dead phones, without ever having been told WHY they were detained to begin with. It's people literally losing their eyeballs because a policeman fired a rubber bullet directly at their face, rather than ricocheting it off the pavement toward them, as is intended. I AM emotional, I AM furious, and I'm not going to "relax". 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

A few markings painted on walls? Definitive prove! Forget the FBI investigation, we've got a few paintings here!

You'll have to forgive me for being overly emotional. I've spent the past 7 days watching the Portland Police Department -- which has a long history of racism and brutality -- firing tear gas at peacefully assembled citizens -- including children -- during a pandemic that affects the lungs, shoot rubber bullets directly at protestors, fire pepper bullets at pregnant women, and unlawfully attack and arrest members of the press. Don't get me wrong, there are agitators and law breakers and such, but the VAST majority of protestors are peaceful and are breaking no laws, and they're STILL getting attacked. It's happening night after night. I can show you many videos of this taking place if you wish. And in the midst of all of this, every now and then, you have people popping in claiming that Antifa, of all things, is the major problem. Forget the police force that my tax dollars pay for that have a $293 million dollar budget and are armed to the teeth with military weaponry, attacking citizens exercising their 1st amendment rights and battering members of the press....it's ANTIFA we've got to worry about! Right. 

So again, do forgive me. I recognize that I jumped down your throat a bit there. But understand: This isn't a joke to me, or a passing curiosity that's interesting to watch on the news. It's the citizens of my city, being attacked by heavily armed agents of the state, for -- in many cases -- no legal or justifiable reason, night after night. It's friends being arrested without being read their Miranda rights, having their phones taken away, being detained for 12 hours, receiving no access to a phone call, and then being released in far-off parts of the city, with dead phones, without ever having been told WHY they were detained to begin with. It's people literally losing their eyeballs because a policeman fired a rubber bullet directly at their face, rather than ricocheting it off the pavement toward them, as is intended. I AM emotional, I AM furious, and I'm not going to "relax". 

All of what you’ve seen is reprehensible and unacceptable. It isn’t a joke to me either. All I meant was that whoever was claiming that there’s evidence of Antifa involvement in property damage resulting from the riots in Portland could certainly find enough photographic evidence to make that claim without sounding tinfoil-hat-like.

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

A few markings painted on walls? Definitive prove! Forget the FBI investigation, we've got a few paintings here!

You'll have to forgive me for being overly emotional. I've spent the past 7 days watching the Portland Police Department -- which has a long history of racism and brutality -- firing tear gas at peacefully assembled citizens -- including children -- during a pandemic that affects the lungs, shoot rubber bullets directly at protestors, fire pepper bullets at pregnant women, and unlawfully attack and arrest members of the press. Don't get me wrong, there are agitators and law breakers and such, but the VAST majority of protestors are peaceful and are breaking no laws, and they're STILL getting attacked. It's happening night after night. I can show you many videos of this taking place if you wish. And in the midst of all of this, every now and then, you have people popping in claiming that Antifa, of all things, is the major problem. Forget the police force that my tax dollars pay for that have a $293 million dollar budget and are armed to the teeth with military weaponry, attacking citizens exercising their 1st amendment rights and battering members of the press....it's ANTIFA we've got to worry about! Right. 

So again, do forgive me. I recognize that I jumped down your throat a bit there. But understand: This isn't a joke to me, or a passing curiosity that's interesting to watch on the news. It's the citizens of my city, being attacked by heavily armed agents of the state, for -- in many cases -- no legal or justifiable reason, night after night. It's friends being arrested without being read their Miranda rights, having their phones taken away, being detained for 12 hours, receiving no access to a phone call, and then being released in far-off parts of the city, with dead phones, without ever having been told WHY they were detained to begin with. It's people literally losing their eyeballs because a policeman fired a rubber bullet directly at their face, rather than ricocheting it off the pavement toward them, as is intended. I AM emotional, I AM furious, and I'm not going to "relax". 

I don't disagree with what you're saying here all of this is awful but just a random nitpick of a popular misconception. Miranda rights are for when they're questioning you not arresting, they don't actually have to read them to you at all.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I’m hoping that they just remove the National Anthem from sporting events. I remember when I went to school, in your first class you said the Pledge of Allegiance. You put your hand over heart and faced the flag. I don’t even know what Mr Reiman would do if a kid kneeled or sat during the pledge. Probably a yard stick across the face.

[CaliBills]

Look - it seems there are many people that are trying to look at current events as if they are not stemmed from centuries ago.

 

A few things for thought:

 

Civil War happened because of disagreement in Slavery

Amendment 13 - Read it.  (Note that Involuntary servitude is abolished unless you commit a crime)

Right After Amendment 13 was written - Arrests of newly freed African Americans occurred in Masses. Why?  because the Southern States needed cheap labor and this is how they made a compromise with the National Government.  

After that - Segregation occurred for years and the Prison System kept growing.

After Segregation - the three strikers your out by Clinton Office (which he later admitted contributed to the problem) and guess what "The Prison System Kept Growing"

so lets skip to today.  

 

Our Countries Prison System owns 25% of the Worlds Prison Population while we only own 4.25% of the worlds total population.  How does that even happen.  

 

Many companies use Prison Labor to manufacture and package Products.  Including but not limited to Walmart, Victoria Secret, Starbucks, Kmart, Whole Foods, McDonalds, Target, etc,etc,etc.  And these aren't just these small programs.  Last number I found was it is 1.7 Billion dollar industry.  

 

Edited - slimmed it down to take out the added non essential points.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by CaliBills

[Mango]

10 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Tenuous last bit there.

 

The prisons are overflowing because the government decided that adults can't choose what intoxicants to use, and decided there needed to be a war on drugs.

 

It's a failure. A complete and total failure, and it needs to end, with all sentences for non-violent drug offenders commuted. That happens, and you'll see the prison population radically reduced.

 

 

I think both you and @CaliBills are correct and neither are tenuous. 

[Coach Tuesday]

11 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Tenuous last bit there.

 

The prisons are overflowing because the government decided that adults can't choose what intoxicants to use, and decided there needed to be a war on drugs.

 

It's a failure. A complete and total failure, and it needs to end, with all sentences for non-violent drug offenders commuted. That happens, and you'll see the prison population radically reduced.

 

As I posted elsewhere, the war on drugs was started in order to expand the federal police state and subjugate minorities.  It’s right there in the legislative archives.  So many horrible events throughout history have been sparked by an insane narrative about white women being victimized by men of other races - the war on drugs is an example.  There are many others.  Agree it needs to stop yesterday.

[Happy]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I’m hoping that they just remove the National Anthem from sporting events. I remember when I went to school, in your first class you said the Pledge of Allegiance. You put your hand over heart and faced the flag. I don’t even know what Mr Reiman would do if a kid kneeled or sat during the pledge. Probably a yard stick across the face.

 

This is probably the best solution, bolded.

 

I remember saying the pledge with hand over heart in elementary school.  Not sure if they do that now, or if kids even know what the Pledge of Allegiance is.

[BigBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

A few markings painted on walls? Definitive prove! Forget the FBI investigation, we've got a few paintings here!

 

And if it was white supremists you'd ask to have them arrested.

 

Quote

You'll have to forgive me for being overly emotional. I've spent the past 7 days watching the Portland Police Department -- which has a long history of racism and brutality -- firing tear gas at peacefully assembled citizens -- including children -- during a pandemic that affects the lungs, shoot rubber bullets directly at protestors, fire pepper bullets at pregnant women, and unlawfully attack and arrest members of the press.

 

All I see is "peaceful" protesters:

 

More "peace":

 

Pure love:

 

If you want to be accepted as "peaceful" which is now a 1984 double-speak term make sure there is no violence. I want you to protest, but when that group is using violence and saying it's "peaceful" let it be known that's not true.

[Billl]

2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I’m hoping that they just remove the National Anthem from sporting events. I remember when I went to school, in your first class you said the Pledge of Allegiance. You put your hand over heart and faced the flag. I don’t even know what Mr Reiman would do if a kid kneeled or sat during the pledge. Probably a yard stick across the face.

Sounds good to me.  The less phony “look at me” patriotism, the better.

1 hour ago, Happy said:

 

This is probably the best solution, bolded.

 

I remember saying the pledge with hand over heart in elementary school.  Not sure if they do that now, or if kids even know what the Pledge of Allegiance is.

 

51 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Given who runs schools (the NEA), I doubt it.

 

Sure sucks that we aren’t indoctrinating our kids every morning anymore.  At least the drinking fountain budget has been cut in half.

[Blokestradamus]

Just adding on to @CaliBills post about the 13th Amendment, there's a documentary on Netflix called 13th.

 

I would highly advise people to watch it. It covers a lot of the points raised. Even as someone that considered themselves fairly knowledgeable about the history of the Civil Rights movement, a fair amount of it was new to me. It might help some people start to understand the sheer amount of history that's led to this moment in your countries' history.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Blokestradamus

[Logic]

19 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

And if it was white supremists you'd ask to have them arrested.

 

 

All I see is "peaceful" protesters:

 

More "peace":

 

Pure love:

 

If you want to be accepted as "peaceful" which is now a 1984 double-speak term make sure there is no violence. I want you to protest, but when that group is using violence and saying it's "peaceful" let it be known that's not true.

 

 

Oh fun, another person selectively posting videos of a town they don’t live in or know anything about.

 

If you actually read my post earlier, you saw where I pointed out that the last seven nights of protests have been predominately peaceful. That of around 10,000 daily protestors, there are 20 or so nightly arrests.I also agreed that there ARE some agitators and idiots, but those aren’t the people I’m talking about being brutalized by the police.

 

I can show you many articles corroborating what I’m saying — that the protests ARE primarily peaceful and lawful. I can also show you numerous videos of police attacking lawfully assembled, peaceful protestors in my city and many others. But you clearly have no interest in opening your eyes or your mind to the realities of what’s playing out on American streets each night. You’re only interested in clinging to your tired, inaccurate narrative .

 

Below is a link to a database that has been created for activists to upload instances of police brutality from the past week. Feel free to educate yourself before spitting more nonsense.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/george-floyd-public-spreadsheet-police-violence-videos.amp

 

 

[Rico]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

 

Oh fun, another person selectively posting videos of a town they don’t live in or know anything about.

 

If you actually read my post earlier, you saw where I pointed out that the last seven nights of protests have been predominately peaceful. That of around 10,000 daily protestors, there are 20 or so nightly arrests.I also agreed that there ARE some agitators and idiots, but those aren’t the people I’m talking about being brutalized by the police.

 

I can show you many articles corroborating what I’m saying — that the protests ARE primarily peaceful and lawful. I can also show you numerous videos of police attacking lawfully assembled, peaceful protestors in my city and many others. But you clearly have no interest in opening your eyes or your mind to the realities of what’s playing out on American streets each night. You’re only interested in clinging to your tired, inaccurate narrative .

 

Below is a link to a database that has been created for activists to upload instances of police brutality from the past week. Feel free to educate yourself before spitting more nonsense.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/george-floyd-public-spreadsheet-police-violence-videos.amp

 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/

[Logic]

16 minutes ago, Rico said:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/

 

The article by slate only speaks of the existence of the database, which itself is not affiliated with any media outlet, but is an open source document to which anyone can contribute.

 

Try again.

 

OR, feel free to go actually WATCH some of the videos. Or read any of the dozens of articles by multiple, varied outlets reporting on the police brutality that has occurred the past week.

[Rico]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

The article by slate only speaks of the existence of the database, which itself is not affiliated with any media outlet, but is an open source document to which anyone can contribute.

 

Try again.

 

OR, feel free to go actually WATCH some of the videos. Or read any of the dozens of articles by multiple, varied outlets reporting on the police brutality that has occurred the past week.

Food for thought.

[Rocky Landing]

5 hours ago, Happy said:

 

This is probably the best solution, bolded.

 

I remember saying the pledge with hand over heart in elementary school.  Not sure if they do that now, or if kids even know what the Pledge of Allegiance is.

 

4 hours ago, Billl said:

Sounds good to me.  The less phony “look at me” patriotism, the better.

 

Sure sucks that we aren’t indoctrinating our kids every morning anymore.  At least the drinking fountain budget has been cut in half.

 

Maybe you guys don't have kids, idk, but they've got my children reciting the pledge of allegiance every morning, including during the virtual schooling of the last few months.

[SDS]

5 hours ago, Rico said:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/

there is a chart right below the bias line that indicates the veracity of the source in question.  In this case, Slate is rated High. 

 

By contrast, if you look at the report regarding Fox News it says it has a right bias, but the factual reporting is two levels lower at Mixed. 

I think both measures are probably important. 

[Billl]

55 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

 

 

Maybe you guys don't have kids, idk, but they've got my children reciting the pledge of allegiance every morning, including during the virtual schooling of the last few months.

Really?  Gross.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Rico said:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/

 

I'm not sure what your point is here?  I salute you for seeking out a fact-checking site - SAL-UTE! 

It rates slate as having high factual reporting, with a strong left bias in how the facts are presented.

 

In the case of Logic's link, it goes to a database full of links to videos etc.

 

59 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Maybe you guys don't have kids, idk, but they've got my children reciting the pledge of allegiance every morning, including during the virtual schooling of the last few months.

 

Really?  Wow I'm not sure my kid knows it

[SDS]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm not sure what your point is here?  I salute you for seeking out a fact-checking site - SAL-UTE! 

It rates slate as having high factual reporting, with a strong left bias in how the facts are presented.

 

In the case of Logic's link, it goes to a database full of links to videos etc.

 

 

Really?  Wow I'm not sure my kid knows it

it is optional for my highschooler, but it is said every day by those who wish to recite it.

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, Billl said:

Really?  Gross.

 

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Really?  Wow I'm not sure my kid knows it

 

I have mixed feelings. I'm certainly not big on indoctrination, nationalism, or overt acts of patriotism. But, I will say that over the last few months, as my kids had to endure online schooling from home, I have come to appreciate it. The principle of their school started every morning with it, and always made it weirdly fun and entertaining. It kind of anchored the day for them. It was the starting point of the day, and it helped them shift into academic mode, and focus. It helped them stay connected to the school, and their community. Maintaining that connection was a challenge.

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

 

 

I have mixed feelings. I'm certainly not big on indoctrination, nationalism, or overt acts of patriotism. But, I will say that over the last few months, as my kids had to endure online schooling from home, I have come to appreciate it. The principle of their school started every morning with it, and always made it weirdly fun and entertaining. It kind of anchored the day for them. It was the starting point of the day, and it helped them shift into academic mode, and focus. It helped them stay connected to the school, and their community. Maintaining that connection was a challenge.

as long as people are teaching their kids that these things are purely notional, symbolic gestures that don’t really enforce any values in any real way, I suppose they’re fine. They’re reciting poems to a piece of cloth after all.

[BigBillsFan]

11 hours ago, Logic said:

 

 

Oh fun, another person selectively posting videos of a town they don’t live in or know anything about.

 

If you actually read my post earlier, you saw where I pointed out that the last seven nights of protests have been predominately peaceful....

 

Below is a link to a database that has been created for activists to upload instances of police brutality from the past week. Feel free to educate yourself before spitting more nonsense.

 

Yes of course they will only show the WHOLE picture. They would never refuse to show what caused it. (/Sarcasm off)

 

This is a parody like asking a 4 yr old why he did something and they just blame it on the 2 yr old and it's never the 4 yr olds fault.

 

Predominantly peaceful is double-speak. If any other group wasn't so protected by the media they would be screaming it was a terrorist organization with so many fires, destroyed businesses, and police injured and people hurt and killed.

 

Make this same group the KKK and let's see how peaceful the media would see them.

 

Oh wait, we don't have to go even that far, just protest the quarantine and people were arrested for merely asking other people on Facebook to join them. The media was portraying them as extremists.

 

But here's the strangest thing: they didn't burn anything, hurt people, destroy the neighborhood BUT they were the extremists full time in the media. Now it's all peaceful with real violence.

 

This is a political movement whose aim is to change America with destroying free speech, jobs, and threats. Then if you disagree you want them to shut up. Tell that to the journalists who lost jobs, teachers, and athletes who just questioned if this was all above board. Why? The mob questioned them as racists and forced their employers to bend to their will.

 

Then show me all the people who lost jobs, forced to apologize, and left to rot as social misfits for protesting the quarantine. Strange huh?

[Rico]

13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm not sure what your point is here?  I salute you for seeking out a fact-checking site - SAL-UTE! 

It rates slate as having high factual reporting, with a strong left bias in how the facts are presented.

 

In the case of Logic's link, it goes to a database full of links to videos etc.

 

 

Really?  Wow I'm not sure my kid knows it

Only who fact-checks the fact-checkers? 

“Facts” can be like stats, they can be manipulated in many ways. That’s why I think it’s best to determine where a person or source is coming from first, whether it’s Fox News or Slate.Com.

 

Bottom line, trust nothing but your own instincts. Use the force, Luke.