Defund the Police?

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Don't make me call the FBI Police.

Easy guy, I'll send out my Federal Reserves to put them down. If that doesn't work I'll defund my guys and they'll really kick ass. 

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

New York City Council backs proposal to slash $1 billion from NYPD budget

By Peter Aitken | Fox News

 

New York City Council leaders have issued a joint statement declaring their intent to back proposals slashing $1 billion from the NYPD budget.

Speaker Corey Johnson, Majority Leader Laurie Cumbo, Finance Committee Chair Daniel Dromm and Public Safety Committee Chair Donovan Richards, among others,  said they support a plan to “get to $1 billion in cuts to New York City’s police spending in the Fiscal 2021 budget.”

 

The NYPD has a proposed budget of $6 billion, which Mayor Bill de Blasio has pledged to cut in response to citywide protests after initially backing the department.

 

The loss of $1 billion in funding would limit the scope and function of the police, but the City Council believes it shows a clear commitment towards reform.

 

“There is no doubt that this is an ambitious goal, but it is one that the time we are in calls for – both here in New York City and nationwide,” read the statement, posted on the council's website.

 

“This is possible," the statement said, noting anticipated savings by "reducing uniform headcount through attrition, cutting overtime, shifting responsibilities away from the NYPD, finding efficiencies" and more.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-cut-billion-nypd-budget

 

 

It seems pretty simple to me. Either the NYC police budget is bloated and should be cut with no risk to the population or the powers to be are willing to sacrifice life and limb for......................................................................what?

[Koko78]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Easy guy, I'll send out my Federal Reserves to put them down. If that doesn't work I'll defund my guys and they'll really kick ass.

 

Settle down, slick, or I'll have to abolish my forces.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Easy guy, I'll send out my Federal Reserves to put them down. If that doesn't work I'll defund my guys and they'll really kick ass. 

It seems pretty simple to me. Either the NYC police budget is bloated and should be cut with no risk to the population or the powers to be are willing to sacrifice life and limb for......................................................................what?

 

 

....armament reduced to squirt guns should save a bundle......Bumblin' Billy strikes again...SMH.......

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Settle down, slick, or I'll have to abolish my forces.

 

 

....do they need Gatorade and cigs??...just askin'...........

[B-Man]

 

[Chef Jim]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

New York City Council backs proposal to slash $1 billion from NYPD budget

By Peter Aitken | Fox News

 

New York City Council leaders have issued a joint statement declaring their intent to back proposals slashing $1 billion from the NYPD budget.

Speaker Corey Johnson, Majority Leader Laurie Cumbo, Finance Committee Chair Daniel Dromm and Public Safety Committee Chair Donovan Richards, among others,  said they support a plan to “get to $1 billion in cuts to New York City’s police spending in the Fiscal 2021 budget.”

 

The NYPD has a proposed budget of $6 billion, which Mayor Bill de Blasio has pledged to cut in response to citywide protests after initially backing the department.

 

The loss of $1 billion in funding would limit the scope and function of the police, but the City Council believes it shows a clear commitment towards reform.

 

“There is no doubt that this is an ambitious goal, but it is one that the time we are in calls for – both here in New York City and nationwide,” read the statement, posted on the council's website.

 

“This is possible," the statement said, noting anticipated savings by "reducing uniform headcount through attrition, cutting overtime, shifting responsibilities away from the NYPD, finding efficiencies" and more.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-cut-billion-nypd-budget

 

 

 

But don't you dare try to cut government waste anywhere else.   Conservatives have been yelling about government spending for years.  Is our voice heard?  Nope.  I guess we need to resort to immature, childish petulant actions and burn ***** down.  

[KRC]

29 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Don't make me call the FBI Police.

 

Calm down guys. Don't make me send an interpretive dance troupe over there to settle the situation (Thanks Babylon Bee). ***** will get real.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

But don't you dare try to cut government waste anywhere else.   Conservatives have been yelling about government spending for years.  Is our voice heard?  Nope.  I guess we need to resort to immature, childish petulant actions and burn ***** down.  

 

...if you and I are faced with personal budgetary cuts due to interrupted income stream, we learn to DO MORE WITH LESS....the government's answer?.....raise taxes, fees, et al......AND STILL have budget gaps.......does it make sense that Bumblin' Billy DiBlasio make a 100 grand MORE than Big Fredo?......would YOU pay a subordinate a 100 grand more?...or better yet.....2,080 regular hours annually plus 3,600 hours OT =5,680 hours worked or 109.23 hours WEEKLY...........UM OK.............

 

3,600 hours in OT? One New York state worker earned an extra $231,000 in 2019

Joseph Spector

New York State Team-Feb 20, 2020

 

 

ALBANY, N.Y. – And you think you spend a lot of time in the office.

 

One state worker logged 3,600 hours of overtime last year – an additional 69 hours a week – that brought her $231,000 in overtime payments alone.

The worker, Denise Williams, a security training assistant at the Kirby Forensic Psychiatric Center in Manhattan, ended up making nearly $322,000 in earnings in 2019, including the most in overtime of any state worker in New York, records showed.

 

It was the second year in a row she topped the overtime earners list, the records obtained by the USA TODAY Network New York through a Freedom of Information request showed.

 

In 2018, Williams registered 3,560 hours of overtime, leading to $200,000 in overtime alone. She could not be reached for comment Thursday at the center.

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Koko78]

9 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

Calm down guys. Don't make me send an interpretive dance troupe over there to settle the situation (Thanks Babylon Bee). ***** will get real.

 

Hey now, there's no need to escalate the de-escalation.

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

3,600 hours in OT? One New York state worker earned an extra $231,000 in 201

 

 

I've been yelling about this forever.  This is a well know tactic that officers (and other municipal employees) nearing retirement use to boost their pensions.  Their pension are often based on the last few years of their compensation.  So they load up on the OT which the younger officers gladly give up because they know they'll do the exact same thing when it comes to their retirement.  That ***** has to stop. 

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

That's the problem and no I'm not taking a shot at you. It is important to use precise language so that there is no confusion when discussing an issue. Using words according to your personal definition doesn't bring about any coming together or better understanding but contributes to confusion and misunderstanding. If one wants to qualify "defund" then use adjectives along with it such as "partially", "temporarily", "momentarily" or "somewhat". I know the adjectives wouldn't look good on a protest sign, but just saying "defund the police" is sending a message that not only isn't what the sign holder wants to convey, but makes the people you want to convince immediately oppose. 

Commies like confusion.  It's the whole idea.

[Koko78]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I've been yelling about this forever.  This is a well know tactic that officers (and other municipal employees) nearing retirement use to boost their pensions.  Their pension are often based on the last few years of their compensation.  So they load up on the OT which the younger officers gladly give up because they know they'll do the exact same thing when it comes to their retirement.  That ***** has to stop. 

 

I've always wanted them to change it so that your pension cannot be higher than your highest base salary (adjusted for inflation, etc.)

 

Around 2006 or so, there was an article in the Buffalo News about some retired school administrator who was getting around $230,000 per year from the pension fund. He gamed the system, sold back hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of vacation time to inflate his last year's salary, etc. They quoted him in the article, where he proceeded to excuse his conduct because it took him 10 whole years to pay off his student loans in the 1960's (of course forgetting that student loans tend to have 10 year payback terms.) Since he claims he was once a 'starving teacher', he was entitled to rip off the state.

[Buffalo_Gal]

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I've been yelling about this forever.  This is a well know tactic that officers (and other municipal employees) nearing retirement use to boost their pensions.  Their pension are often based on the last few years of their compensation.  So they load up on the OT which the younger officers gladly give up because they know they'll do the exact same thing when it comes to their retirement.  That ***** has to stop. 

This is more than a load up... there are 168 hours in a week. 40 work hours + 69 OT hours = 109 hours at work per week. 168-109 = 59 hours.  Sleeping + commuting + eating + shopping + anything else in 59 hours a week for basically two years?    Work laws have to come into play with her job needing to have time off? Is she union and mandated to have XX amount of time off every two weeks?  And who is authorizing all that OT? 

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[B-Man]

 

 

 

YET ANOTHER POLL INDICATING THAT A SUBSTANTIAL MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AREN’T CRAZY: 

 

64% of Americans oppose ‘defund the police’ movement, key goals: Black Americans land differently on the issue, but not overwhelmingly so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

AND WHY DOESN’T THE MEDIA HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE?: 

 

Why Can’t Big-City Democrats Reform the Police? 

 

Accusations of police brutality have persisted in our bluest cities for decades. But when a cop does does something wrong, it gets blamed on the Republican in the White House.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Truck Drivers Say They Won’t Deliver To Cities with Defunded Police Departments.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

19 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I've been yelling about this forever.  This is a well know tactic that officers (and other municipal employees) nearing retirement use to boost their pensions.  Their pension are often based on the last few years of their compensation.  So they load up on the OT which the younger officers gladly give up because they know they'll do the exact same thing when it comes to their retirement.  That ***** has to stop. 

 

...NEVER will my friend......years ago, we had a City of Rochester maintenance contract.......as their June 30 fiscal year end approached, they scrambled to manufacture necessary (COUGH) projects to use up (HINT: piss away) their current year's budget....we were "instructed (COUGH)" to replace perfectly functioning equipment that we had installed perhaps 1-3 years prior....unused budget in municipal accounting means a budget cut in future years.....I stopped our Project Managers from ever submitting bids for the contract forever.....I can't subscribe to this crap.......

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

Five Minneapolis council members propose letting voters decide future of Police Department

To get the measure on the November ballot, the City Council and charter commission would need to work on an expedited schedule. 
 

Minneapolis voters would decide in November whether to eliminate the City Charter’s requirement for police staffing and replace it with a new department “to provide for community safety and violence prevention,” under a proposal floated Friday by five City Council members.
 

The announcement comes at a time when council members are facing pressure to explain their plan to “begin the process of ending” the Minneapolis Police Department following George Floyd’s death.
 

The council and a separate body, the Minneapolis Charter Commission, would need to work under an expedited schedule as they face a tight deadline to add items to the November ballot. The city’s charter, in essence its constitution, requires the City Council to fund a minimum number of police officers.
 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Five Minneapolis council members propose letting voters decide future of Police Department

To get the measure on the November ballot, the City Council and charter commission would need to work on an expedited schedule. 
 

Minneapolis voters would decide in November whether to eliminate the City Charter’s requirement for police staffing and replace it with a new department “to provide for community safety and violence prevention,” under a proposal floated Friday by five City Council members.
 

The announcement comes at a time when council members are facing pressure to explain their plan to “begin the process of ending” the Minneapolis Police Department following George Floyd’s death.
 

The council and a separate body, the Minneapolis Charter Commission, would need to work under an expedited schedule as they face a tight deadline to add items to the November ballot. The city’s charter, in essence its constitution, requires the City Council to fund a minimum number of police officers.
 

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LMAO...where's Ventura now that MN is the "land of 10,000 fakes"?................

[Sig1Hunter]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Five Minneapolis council members propose letting voters decide future of Police Department

To get the measure on the November ballot, the City Council and charter commission would need to work on an expedited schedule. 
 

Minneapolis voters would decide in November whether to eliminate the City Charter’s requirement for police staffing and replace it with a new department “to provide for community safety and violence prevention,” under a proposal floated Friday by five City Council members.
 

The announcement comes at a time when council members are facing pressure to explain their plan to “begin the process of ending” the Minneapolis Police Department following George Floyd’s death.
 

The council and a separate body, the Minneapolis Charter Commission, would need to work under an expedited schedule as they face a tight deadline to add items to the November ballot. The city’s charter, in essence its constitution, requires the City Council to fund a minimum number of police officers.
 

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Nothings gonna change. Some windbag politicians will shuffle stuff around and make it look like they did something.. but when the dust clears, there will still be the same cops on the street (good). 

[njbuff]

57 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

LMAO...where's Ventura now that MN is the "land of 10,000 fakes"?................

 

I have wondered that myself.

 

Is he not healthy?

 

Or he just doesn't give a crap about Minnesota?

 

Either way, not hearing from him is pretty mind boggling.

[billsfan1959]

20 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Nothings gonna change. Some windbag politicians will shuffle stuff around and make it look like they did something.. but when the dust clears, there will still be the same cops on the street (good). 

 

Absolutely right. If they really wanted to make a difference, they would increase the number of officers.

[BillsFanNC]

24 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Nothings gonna change. Some windbag politicians will shuffle stuff around and make it look like they did something.. but when the dust clears, there will still be the same cops on the street (good). 

 

Yep.  Also if one guy wins the presidential election in November this defund the police nonsense will magically disappear, but if the other guy wins the drumbeat of insanity will continue unabated.

[Koko78]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

This is more than a load up... there are 168 hours in a week. 40 work hours + 69 OT hours = 109 hours at work per week. 168-109 = 59 hours.  Sleeping + commuting + eating + shopping + anything else in 59 hours a week for basically two years?    Work laws have to come into play with her job needing to have time off? Is she union and mandated to have XX amount of time off every two weeks?  And who is authorizing all that OT?

 

You don't think they're actually showing up for all the overtime they're supposedly working, do you?

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, socialism=social security? You're better than that, Doc. Your comments immediately reminded me of Tiberius and The Federal Reserve "confusion". Do you really want to be associated with that? 

I was asking about his definition of socialism as some people consider social security checks socialism since the government is involved in the rules, collection, and distribution of the funds.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

26 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

You don't think they're actually showing up for all the overtime they're supposedly working, do you?

Kinda my point. 

[US Egg]

Defunding police will halt people from enjoying what they publicly did before covid.

 

You got a local sports arena or stadium, or mass public events that draws thousands ?

 

Good luck with all that without local law enforcement. The LW agenda means more.

 

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by I am the egg man

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...NEVER will my friend......years ago, we had a City of Rochester maintenance contract.......as their June 30 fiscal year end approached, they scrambled to manufacture necessary (COUGH) projects to use up (HINT: piss away) their current year's budget....we were "instructed (COUGH)" to replace perfectly functioning equipment that we had installed perhaps 1-3 years prior....unused budget in municipal accounting means a budget cut in future years.....I stopped our Project Managers from ever submitting bids for the contract forever.....I can't subscribe to this crap.......

I used to work for a small business funding company and one of our clients who delivered small forklifts one year had a $250K order so that NASA has used up all of there budget and they did not want delivery until the ones broke that they were replacing 

[Big Blitz]

CFP linked to this:

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

I'm not old enough to remember but I heard there was a time when there weren't too many policemen down south and the white businessmen and farmers took care of those cheeky enough to step out of their lane. Those were the days. Look out what you ask for. 

[The Guy In Pants]

2 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Defunding police will halt people from enjoying what they publicly did before covid.

 

You got a local sports arena or stadium, or mass public events that draws thousands ?

 

Good luck with all that without local law enforcement. The LW agenda means more.

 

 

 

The cities will be where the ***** show would be. Out on the back 40; we would be fine.

 

[snafu]

Will my taxes go down?

 

 

[The Guy In Pants]

3 minutes ago, snafu said:

Will my taxes go down?

 

 

 

Reallocation of funds, sir. They’re not stupid enough to give you back what they’ve taken from you already.

[snafu]

3 minutes ago, The Guy In Pants said:

 

Reallocation of funds, sir. They’re not stupid enough to give you back what they’ve taken from you already.

 

Oh, so the money will pay for firearms for everyone?

 

[GregPersons]

4 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Oh, so the money will pay for firearms for everyone?

 

 

How has firearms for everyone been working out so far?

3 hours ago, The Guy In Pants said:

 

The cities will be where the ***** show would be. Out on the back 40; we would be fine.

 

•  

 

What would we ever do without the help of useless cops? I guess probably exactly where we are now

 

Wake up and smell the coffee, folks... COPS DON'T DO ANYTHING 

 

 

[The Guy In Pants]

38 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Oh, so the money will pay for firearms for everyone?

 

 

Well; not quite. You see; the only people allowed to have firearms will be the new community police force officers. These officers will range in gender from the flamboyantly Fabulous fluids to the Sassy neutrals. we have to pay for all of their uniforms so that will mean at least 57 styles. Comrade Commanders will be made to wear the pant suit; as made famous by Hillary Clinton, so everyone can spot the leadership.
 

The firearms will not be your typical firearm either. The “originals”, if you will; will have already been melted down to make new piercings for nose, lips, nips, nether regions and lobes. The new firearm will actually be made from 100% recycled CIS male fingernails and will be designed to fire trapezoidal rounds which can tell if a person is a racist, fascist, homophobe or Trump supporter simply by tasting the air with its mechanical tongue. They are called SJWR’s or Social Justice Warrior Rounds.
 

Moving on; we still have to have enough funds for transportation and to outfit that transportation with state of the art video game consoles and Bluetooth speaker devices capable of amplifying techno music over the typical hustle and bustle noise of everyday life. 
 

So, you see; there are a lot of moving parts and we will need you to continue to pay taxes; in some instances more, to enable us to protect you, comrade.

Edited June 14, 2020 by The Guy In Pants

[snafu]

14 minutes ago, The Guy In Pants said:

 

Well; not quite. You see; the only people allowed to have firearms will be the new community police force officers. These officers will range in gender from the flamboyantly Fabulous fluids to the Sassy neutrals. we have to pay for all of their uniforms so that will mean at least 57 styles. Comrade Commanders will be made to wear the pant suit; as made famous by Hillary Clinton, so everyone can spot the leadership.
 

The firearms will not be your typical firearm either. The “originals”, if you will; will have already been melted down to make new piercings for nose, lips, nips, nether regions and lobes. The new firearm will actually be made from 100% recycled CIS male fingernails and will be designed to fire trapezoidal rounds which can tell if a person is a racist, fascist, homophobe or Trump supporter simply by tasting the air with its mechanical tongue. They are called SJWR’s or Social Justice Warrior Rounds.
 

Moving on; we still have to have enough funds for transportation and to outfit that transportation with state of the art video game consoles and Bluetooth speaker devices capable of amplifying techno music over the typical hustle and bustle noise of everyday life. 
 

So, you see; there are a lot of moving parts and we will need you to continue to pay taxes; in some instances more, to enable us to protect you, comrade.

 

While your vision sounds almost adequate, at best, I’d prefer it if my taxes were reduced. I’ve been defunded enough already. 

 

 

[The Guy In Pants]

Just now, snafu said:

 

While your vision sounds almost adequate, at best, I’d prefer it if my taxes were reduced. I’ve been defunded enough already. 

 

 

I will personally speak to A.O.C at our next lunch and learn and see what we can work out.

[The Guy In Pants]

2 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Will there be a PowerPoint?

 

We don’t like the term “PowerPoint” because it reminds of of Hitler pointing at things. So, we call them “Computerized Knowledge Boxes On the Wall”