Dallas 175 million 5 year offer to Prescott

[DCOrange]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He's had one decent season--and even then, they went nowhere.  He's a middling QB.  There.

That's just objectively false.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

That's just objectively false.

 

No it's not.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

They did have the most yards in the NFL last year, and 6th most points... The defense did a good job yardage wise but they had few takeaways (7 games with 0 takeaways, 2-5 in those games).  Dak's coming off a year where he threw for 1100 more yards than ever before, kept INTs relatively low, sack numbers way down on a per snap basis.  

 

They lost a lot of games on coaching. The end of the Minnesota game sticks out in my head. That might have been the worst coached 4th quarter I saw all season.

[DCOrange]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

No it's not.

I mean, what exactly is your definition of decent? At absolute worst, he's been a top 15 QB 3 of his 4 years and you could make a good case for him being around a top 5 QB for 2 of those years.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I mean, what exactly is your definition of decent? At absolute worst, he's been a top 15 QB 3 of his 4 years and you could make a good case for him being around a top 5 QB for 2 of those years.

 

 

This will suffice.

[FireChans]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He's had one decent season--and even then, they went nowhere.  He's a middling QB.  There.

What??

 

What’s your opinion on a Deshaun Watson who has never thrown more than 26 TD’s in a year? Middling QB on a decent team that doesn’t go anywhere? Won’t ever win a Super Bowl?

[vtnatefootball11]

46 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What??

 

What’s your opinion on a Deshaun Watson who has never thrown more than 26 TD’s in a year? Middling QB on a decent team that doesn’t go anywhere? Won’t ever win a Super Bowl?

 

Deshaun Watson is objectively, way more talented than Dak.  Watch the film, DeShaun carries his team.  Dak is a solid QB who does a great job managing the gameplan with a fantastic supporting cast.  

[FireChans]

Just now, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

Deshaun Watson is objectively, way more talented than Dak.  Watch the film, DeShaun carries his team.  Dak is a solid QB who does a great job managing the gameplan with a fantastic supporting cast.  

I don’t disagree that Watson is better than Dak, but film study is far from objective. For example, Dak did far more than manage the gameplan this year. His earlier years this was true but he was asked to do far more this year.

 

Furthermore, film study would suggest that Dak is leagues above Dalton. Like not even a debate type stuff.

[vtnatefootball11]

Just now, FireChans said:

I don’t disagree that Watson is better than Dak, but film study is far from objective. For example, Dak did far more than manage the gameplan this year. His earlier years this was true but he was asked to do far more this year.

 

Furthermore, film study would suggest that Dak is leagues above Dalton. Like not even a debate type stuff.

 

That's fair, but the point here is that type of QB worth that kind of money, when the entire rest of your roster is now hamstrung.  They have to be ELITE talent to carry your team moving forward when you can no longer afford the great Oline and other supporting case that the Cowboys have on offense.  Dak won't be able to do that. 

[Mr. WEO]

52 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What??

 

What’s your opinion on a Deshaun Watson who has never thrown more than 26 TD’s in a year? Middling QB on a decent team that doesn’t go anywhere? Won’t ever win a Super Bowl?

 

Put Watson on last year's Cowboys, watch them play in the SB.

 

Does anyone look at Prescott and say:  "that guy can really put a team on his back.  He's a fighter, a winner"?

 

No.

[T master]

$35 Million a year & they will say NO to that offer -- WTF talk about a greedy bunch of sum ***** ! You could play 1 season and live the rest of your life like a king ! 

 

If your smart and don't carry all your homy's with you every where you go and blow it ?  

 

 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

$35 Million a year & they will say NO to that offer -- WTF talk about a greedy bunch of sum ***** ! You could play 1 season and live the rest of your life like a king ! 

 

If your smart and don't carry all your homy's with you every where you go and blow it ?  

 

 

 

 

[Phil The Thrill]

I don’t see how Dallas can possibly pay Dak, Cooper and Zeke with these huge contracts.  Seattle struggled to get under the cap when they signed Wilson to a deal

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I don’t see how Dallas can possibly pay Dak, Cooper and Zeke with these huge contracts.  Seattle struggled to get under the cap when they signed Wilson to a deal

They already did though (plus Lawrence, Collins, Martin, Smith, Lamb, Diggs, Jaylon Smith, Gallup, McCoy, etc..). Whether they win or not is TBD but their ability to keep their best guys has been impressive.

[hjnick]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If “middling along” is 4,902 yards, 30 TDs and 11 INTs sign me up!! If Allen has that year we will throw a parade. 

Dak is a glorified bus driver.

 

Last year the Cowboys in most games were outplayed in the 1st half and then had to pass their way 'back into games'.

 

Look at the Buffalo game, by the 3rd Qtr, we were 'managing' the game in a soft prevent defense allowing Dallas to move down the field and burn up clock letting Dak get his yards...

 

That game was over early.  That happened in a lot of Dallas' games last year.  Dak threw ALOT of garbage yards.

 

Now, should Dak get 35MIL, IMO NO, but he is definitely in the 30-33MIL/yr category.

 

Also, as for Dak's last year, if I was Jerry, I'd say, you bring me a Super Bowl ring before that in the 4 years previously, then you get 45, if not then you get paid 30.  Put up or shut up.

[hjnick]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

What??

 

What’s your opinion on a Deshaun Watson who has never thrown more than 26 TD’s in a year? Middling QB on a decent team that doesn’t go anywhere? Won’t ever win a Super Bowl?

I guess we will find out about Watson this year...

[C.Biscuit97]

This thread gets wilder and wilder.  We would do bad things to have Allen come close to what Dak has produced as a passer and would beg the Bills to pay him whatever he wanted.  I wish this board would look at Bills qbs as “objectively” as they look at other teams qbs.  
 

and I swear, some posters never watch any other games besides Bills games.  All this argument seems to cling on is he didn’t play well against the Bills so he sucks.  Pretty stupid to judge a guy off one game.  

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They lost a lot of games on coaching. The end of the Minnesota game sticks out in my head. That might have been the worst coached 4th quarter I saw all season.

Garrett was a great clapper.  Almost on Sean’s level. Almost. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

That's fair, but the point here is that type of QB worth that kind of money, when the entire rest of your roster is now hamstrung.  They have to be ELITE talent to carry your team moving forward when you can no longer afford the great Oline and other supporting case that the Cowboys have on offense.  Dak won't be able to do that. 

That point makes no sense. All of their players are signed. Dak is the last one. The supporting cast is signed.

[Kirby Jackson]

44 minutes ago, hjnick said:

Dak is a glorified bus driver.

 

Last year the Cowboys in most games were outplayed in the 1st half and then had to pass their way 'back into games'.

 

Look at the Buffalo game, by the 3rd Qtr, we were 'managing' the game in a soft prevent defense allowing Dallas to move down the field and burn up clock letting Dak get his yards...

 

That game was over early.  That happened in a lot of Dallas' games last year.  Dak threw ALOT of garbage yards.

 

Now, should Dak get 35MIL, IMO NO, but he is definitely in the 30-33MIL/yr category.

 

Also, as for Dak's last year, if I was Jerry, I'd say, you bring me a Super Bowl ring before that in the 4 years previously, then you get 45, if not then you get paid 30.  Put up or shut up.

Didn’t realize that. Well I take back all of the good things that I said then. I thought he was a QB with a 40-24 record but I guess I’m wrong. They should just let him walk. You can find a lot of guys to drive a bus.

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This thread gets wilder and wilder.  We would do bad things to have Allen come close to what Dak has produced as a passer and would beg the Bills to pay him whatever he wanted.  I wish this board would look at Bills qbs as “objectively” as they look at other teams qbs.  
 

and I swear, some posters never watch any other games besides Bills games.  All this argument seems to cling on is he didn’t play well against the Bills so he sucks.  Pretty stupid to judge a guy off one game.  

Garrett was a great clapper.  Almost on Sean’s level. Almost. 

We all know the majority of the Dak and other young QB hate comes from a place of Allen insecurity.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

That point makes no sense. All of their players are signed. Dak is the last one. The supporting cast is signed.

I’m not sure why people are trying to avoid this? Dallas DOESN'T have to sacrifice their elite players for Dak. They already signed them all but he and Vander Esch. 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not sure why people are trying to avoid this? Dallas DOESN'T have to sacrifice their elite players for Dak. They already signed them all but he and Vander Esch. 

It’s just this place. They automatically say pay a QB, never win, never have good players.

 

Allen will win a Super Bowl and SB MVP in year 4, and when he gets Mahomes money there will be, “I’m worried about our cap!!!!!” posts all over TBD. All hail the cap. Bring back the 2009 Bills with loads of cap. The golden years.

Edited May 22, 2020 by FireChans

[Plano]

HE *clap* ISN'T *clap* THAT *clap* GOOD

 

god, Dallas is dumb. do they enjoy being middle of the pack year after year? Dak is average, an AVERAGE QB....my god, how stupid.

 

oh well, better for the rest of the league.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Plano said:

HE *clap* ISN'T *clap* THAT *clap* GOOD

 

god, Dallas is dumb. do they enjoy being middle of the pack year after year? Dak is average, an AVERAGE QB....my god, how stupid.

 

oh well, better for the rest of the league.

Just curious.  What qbs do you think are better than Dak?  

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, Plano said:

HE *clap* ISN'T *clap* THAT *clap* GOOD

 

god, Dallas is dumb. do they enjoy being middle of the pack year after year? Dak is average, an AVERAGE QB....my god, how stupid.

 

oh well, better for the rest of the league.

Dallas has won more playoff games in the last two years than Buffalo in 20.

[Kirby Jackson]

The truth of the matter is if he played for anyone but Dallas or our division opponents we wouldn’t say a word. No one here cared when Goff and Wentz signed their massive extensions. Dak, at this point, is WAY more deserving than both of them. The same goes for Tannehill, Jimmy G and Derek Carr. If we are ranking those guys Dak is 1 at the moment. He was the best bargain in football for 4 years. Now he is going to be paid like all good (and even a lot of average QBs like the others listed here) are. Shortly thereafter Mahomes will get more. Watson will also get more. The next guy gets more than the others in his tier. Don’t be surprised at all if in a year or 2 Allen or Darnold gets a bigger contract than Watson. If Jackson gets a bigger contract than Mahomes it won’t be a surprise either. 

Dak at $35M in 2020 is a no brainer for both sides. They are good with that. Dak at $35m a year in 2024 is the issue. In 2024 a QB of Dak’s caliber will be in the $45-50M a year range. That’s how it works. 

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[HappyDays]

39 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s just this place. They automatically say pay a QB, never win, never have good players.

 

Allen will win a Super Bowl and SB MVP in year 4, and when he gets Mahomes money there will be, “I’m worried about our cap!!!!!” posts all over TBD. All hail the cap. Bring back the 2009 Bills with loads of cap. The golden years.

 

I think the point is that if you are up against the cap limit you better be a championship contender. And some people believe that if Dallas pays Dak that much money they will not be championship contenders. I don't necessarily agree, I think he's right on the line of QBs that you give massive deals to so I would do it.

Edited May 22, 2020 by HappyDays

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

20 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

 

...better let 'em know his compass isn't working.....SMH...…...

[longtimebillsfan]

I could be way off base here, but I just don't think he is worth it.

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think the point is that if you are up against the cap limit you better be a championship contender. And some people believe that if Dallas pays Dak that much money they will not be championship contenders. I don't necessarily agree, I think he's right on the line of QBs that you give massive deals to so I would do it.

They are wrong. They also aren’t looking at Dallas’ roster at all. 

 

If you don’t think the Dallas roster is ready to compete, they better trade or cut a handful of players before Dak is next on the chopping block. You don’t let the QB walk, and then keep the rest of the talent.

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

They are wrong. They also aren’t looking at Dallas’ roster at all. 

 

If you don’t think the Dallas roster is ready to compete, they better trade or cut a handful of players before Dak is next on the chopping block. You don’t let the QB walk, and then keep the rest of the talent.

 

Well, that's the point. They have $4 million in cap space and they just went 8-8. If they pay Prescott more they have to start cutting people. So now you have an 8-8 roster that could get worse as a result of paying him. I know Prescott was not the main issue last year but people are questioning if he is good enough to take them further than 1 playoff win in 4 years on a contract that will actively make the team worse. And FWIW Cowboys fans are just as torn on the question. Like I said I think he's right on that line. I can understand why the Cowboys are seeking a shorter extension, they're trying to hedge their bet.

Edited May 22, 2020 by HappyDays

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well, that's the point. They have $4 million in cap space and they just went 8-8. If they pay Prescott more they have to start cutting people. So now you have an 8-8 roster that could get worse as a result of paying him. I know Prescott was not the main issue last year but people are questioning if he is good enough to take them further than 1 playoff win in 4 years on a contract that will actively make the team worse. And FWIW Cowboys fans are just as torn on the question. Like I said I think he's right on that line. I can understand why the Cowboys are seeking a shorter extension, they're trying to hedge their bet.

WHO?

 

WHO DO THEY HAVE TO CUT?

 

Please look at the roster before saying this stuff.

[Returntoglory]

36 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Dallas has won more playoff games in the last two years than Buffalo in 20.

Ummmm...Is Josh looking to be the highest paid QB in the league?

[Kirby Jackson]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think the point is that you are up against the cap limit you better be a championship contender. And some people believe that if Dallas pays Dak that much money they will not be championship contenders. I don't necessarily agree, I think he's right on the line of QBs that you give massive deals to so I would do it.

I think that is true in most cases with them being an exception. Who specifically does Dallas have to sacrifice now or in the near future in order to pay Dak? This isn’t a Rams scenario or a Falcons scenario. Dallas has 9 of their 10 best players (and maybe beyond that) under contract for the next 3 seasons at least. 

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well, that's the point. They have $4 million in cap space and they just went 8-8. If they pay Prescott more they have to start cutting people. So now you have an 8-8 roster that could get worse as a result of paying him. I know Prescott was not the main issue last year but people are questioning if he is good enough to take them further than 1 playoff win in 4 years on a contract that will actively make the team worse. And FWIW Cowboys fans are just as torn on the question. Like I said I think he's right on that line. I can understand why the Cowboys are seeking a shorter extension, they're trying to hedge their bet.

Just to be clear DAK is seeking the shorter extension. DALLAS wants the 5 years.

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

Ummmm...Is Josh looking to be the highest paid QB in the league?

He will be.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

Ummmm...Is Josh looking to be the highest paid QB in the league?

When he’s eligible for an extension (next year) he will absolutely be looking at a deal in this range if he’s proven to be a franchise guy. If Josh takes another step over the next year (and maybe the year after) we better understand now that Josh Allen will be a $40M(ish) a year QB at that point.

[BuffaloMatt]

18 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And this is exactly why you need to go all in now.  Those 2nd qb contract murder teams unless you have one of those special guys.  

Haha.  It’s hilarious how Bills fans evaluate their qbs to how they evaluate other teams qbs.  Guy throws for 5000 yards and 36 tds sucks.  We get 200 yards passing, we are awesome.  Such double standards. 

Oh my god, these board is so wild in their qb takes haha

Admittedly, I'm not a true believer in all stats. Wins matter. Look at Winston. Some of his QB stats are gaudy. Got him cut. DP needs to take the money. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

When he’s eligible for an extension (next year) he will absolutely be looking at a deal in this range if he’s proven to be a franchise guy. If Josh takes another step over the next year (and maybe the year after) we better understand now that Josh Allen will be a $40M(ish) a year QB at that point.

This topic happens EVERY year.  It's comical.

 

 

 

"At that price I'll raise my hand saying they should have traded him IF (and that is a big IF) they got a good offer for he is not worth $35 million a year.  "

 

"IMO I think its too much for a guy who isn't a Top 5 QB or a rising star like Mahomes. "

 

TBD is out here wondering why every good team in the NFL has QB's that are making $35M.  You'd think every high paid QB has missed the playoffs for 17 years straight or something.  Oh wait, that's the teams without QB's WORTH PAYING.

[Billl]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Cowboys should let another team pay Prescott 35+M he's looking for.  The can't get to the SB with this guy, this much is clear (see: 2019).  Once they sign him to a giant contract, they are stuck with him middling along for years--un-tradeable

 

Good to know you’d model your franchise after the Redskins.

[RyanC883]

20 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He wants a 4-year deal. I don’t blame him. If they can make year 5 a “player option” I bet he’d jump at it. With the way that the cap grows (although COVID may slow it) he will be a bargain in a few years. He wants one more crack at FA. Like in everything the NFL guys are starting to follow the NBA guy’s lead. Get shorter deals and be a FA multiple times. 

 

Dak is insane not to accept this contract, or try to get a shorter-contract with the average annual value the same as you suggest.  If he wants to be on himself, fine.  That should work for both Dallas and Dak, IMO.  

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by RyanC883