Jim Kelly, "something wrong" if Bills don't take East

[Dragoon]

He’s right but it’s just hard to suggest after so many years of suck to think we’re the bees knees in our division. I mean it appears that way.....but 

the last 20 years happened...I saw them. It was mostly just awful. 

[Don Otreply]

55 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Well yes of course.... If I was to guess why the Bills don’t make the Super Bowl next year I would say it will be because their QB wasn’t good enough in the specific game that they get eliminated, whichever game that is.

It could be because of QB play, It may also be because of a dropped pass, that loses a playoff game... or a super bowl, we have seen the first of those two already. And it can be both of those reasons.  There is a good deal of grey vs only black or white... It sure would be nice if both our QB and his receivers up their respective games so that neither is the issue ?

[Troll Toll]

A lot can happen. They are good enough to win a Super Bowl barring an injury to Allen. It is usually a very thin line separating Super Bowl winners from Wild Card teams. Just look at how close Tennessee was to heading to the big dance. We BEAT Tennessee last year. They ran into a buzzsaw in KC. KC was one of those exceptions where they truly outclassed everyone else, but they were very fortunate from an injury perspective as well. If Tyreek Hill or Kelce is out, I think we can take KC. 

I could also see NE taking the division AGAIN! I can’t believe people are writing them off. If NE takes the division then we could miss out on playoffs. McDermott still has to prove he can beat them. If we’ve taken the leap where we sweep the division, then we should definitely be thinking Super Bowl.

 

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

1 hour ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Look - McDermott clearly needs to wear his head coach pants, but it is clearly Allen's play that will determine how far this team goes.   

It's obviously two letters, beginning with Q. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

100% accurate assessment.  The only possible derailment would be long term injuries at key position(s)

[LB48]

8 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I've been waiting for weeks to know what Jim Kelly's thoughts are on this. [/sarcasm off]

Jimbo is old news.  He'll give an interview / opinion even if he never had a great SB.  He loves the attention.

[Putin]

8 hours ago, RiotAct said:

Win the division AND at least one postseason game, I say.

To win the division and a playoff game 

this was the goal last year with Brady in the division , this year with all the additions we’ve made  the conversation/goal should be  playing in the AFC Championship game, 

we have a great defense , our offense finally has weapons to score TD’s not field goals , I’m tired of low expectations and there’s no more excuses, it’s time to win NOW 

GO BILLS !!!!

 

Edited May 19, 2020 by Putin

[Don Otreply]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Not going to argue the WRs as a whole were not good.... I was saying that before last season even began.

 

With that said, if you watched the Texans Chiefs divisional playoff game you would’ve noticed the Chiefs WRs dropping perfectly thrown balls left and right to start the game.... didn’t matter because Mahomes is just so good and so consistent. With Josh there was just too little room for error so a drop or two looks massive because he’s too erratic and inconsistent with his throws(at least to this point in his career). 

Our receivers group as a whole has been lacking for two consecutive seasons, our QB play is slowly getting better, ( a bit to slow to my liking but I get impatient in my old age) and PM is stunningly good at this point in his short career, it will be be a season of comparisons of past and present performances amongst all the contending teams, sure hope Josh and the ball catchers sync up quickly... it will make all the difference imo. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

With that said, if you watched the Texans Chiefs divisional playoff game you would’ve noticed the Chiefs WRs dropping perfectly thrown balls left and right to start the game.... didn’t matter because Mahomes is just so good and so consistent.

 

Yeah and in those first 3 drives the Chiefs didn't score a single point and ended up down 24-0. I would say those drops mattered quite a bit.

 

I don't know why this point is so controversial. It is a plain fact that Bills receivers led the league in drop percentage. That fact doesn't excuse all of Allen's bad plays or mean that he was secretly a top 5 QB. It is just true. We don't need to argue over the definition of a drop and pretend that every QB in the league dealt with the same issue. Anyone who watched the Bills last year knows it was a consistent problem.

Edited May 19, 2020 by HappyDays

[JetsFan20]

https://youtu.be/r6l_9reaLz0

Bill Belichick to Bills fans 

 

[Sweats]

This team is only going to go as far as Allen takes them.........true story

[major]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

Winning the division can't be the goal.  I'm sick of baby steps.  Win the ***** Super Bowl.

Ed Oliver was taking some baby steps on that video ? 

[Putin]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

This team is only going to go as far as Allen takes them.........true story

Allen has everything he needs to take this team all the way to SB , this year all eyes will be on him !!!

GO BILLS !!!  

[Hurricane]

I hope no one really cares what Jim Kelly thinks...

[Putin]

27 minutes ago, Hurricane said:

I hope no one really cares what Jim Kelly thinks...

I can’t speak for everyone but ( when it comes to Bills ) I care what Jim thinks he’s a freakin legend in my book 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Don't care, Jim.

[Troll Toll]

The “something wrong” would likely be the Patriots cheating. It will be frustrating when Stidham essentially replaces Brady’s production and people start gushing about Stidham. Nobody took a step back and questioned anything when Cassell and Garropolo lit it up in New England. If Brady sucks in Tampa, people will write it off as due to his age.

[Brennan Huff]

8 hours ago, Sweats said:

This team is only going to go as far as Allen takes them.........true story

On a side note I just binge watched Breaking Bad and that is definitely the greatest show of all time

[ProcessTruster]

18 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Jim Kelly made the comment, something's wrong if the Bills don't take the division this year. 

 

GMFB weighs in... 

 

https://youtu.be/y0jiCzjXeio

yeah, like 3/5 of the O line goes on IR in September...  that's what I call "something's wrong".. that'd do it

18 hours ago, MJS said:

We have teams every year with WAY more postseason experience and lots of postseason wins and elite QB's who fail to make it to the Superbowl (New Orleans, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc.).

 

I just don't see a path to the Superbowl even if Allen steps up. But I suppose crazy things happen sometimes.

yeah I get that its a fan board with lots of season ticket holders, but with that schedule and last year being an injury free fluke occurance, people are way out over their skis at this point

[Bill from NYC]

21 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah and in those first 3 drives the Chiefs didn't score a single point and ended up down 24-0. I would say those drops mattered quite a bit.

 

I don't know why this point is so controversial. It is a plain fact that Bills receivers led the league in drop percentage. That fact doesn't excuse all of Allen's bad plays or mean that he was secretly a top 5 QB. It is just true. We don't need to argue over the definition of a drop and pretend that every QB in the league dealt with the same issue. Anyone who watched the Bills last year knows it was a consistent problem.

The truth is that some of Allen's passes will never be so easy to catch. The kid has a freak arm and throws a football like a major league shortstop throws a baseball. 

There are different abilities that factor into arm strength. Allen has them all, from the very deep ball, throwing on the run, fastball, long out pattern, etc. His arm is extraordinary by any measure and it isn't always easy for even professional receivers to hold onto some of his passes.

The above btw is why I wanted the Bills to draft Davonta Smith from Alabama in April. I thought they would be a perfect match because he has glue hands, but he stayed in school.

Maybe next year!

Oh and before any angry poster takes the above as an insult to JA, it was far from it.    

Edited May 19, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[4_kidd_4]

8 hours ago, Putin said:

I can’t speak for everyone but ( when it comes to Bills ) I care what Jim thinks he’s a freakin legend in my book 

 

I think he still wears his letterman jacket around town and will gladly tell you about his four touchdowns in the city championship.

[thenorthremembers]

When I watched the video of him saying this, that line from the Wedding Singer kept playing through my head.

 

"Now get my Van Halen T-Shirt off before you jinx the band!"

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It's year 4 for this regime. If they aren't a Super Bowl contender by now when do you expect them to be?

The years don't mean much if you don't have the initial cap space to sign anyone decent at the start. The Bills needed to draft their QB, build the line, retool the defense.

 

The 90's Bills started to be build in 1986 and gradually got better as they added better players. Even though they already had Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly and Andre Reed. Along with trading the Colts, Rams for Biscuit. 

4-12 in 86, to 7-8 in 87.

 

The Bills really took off when they added RB Thurman Thomas in the draft in 1988, went 12-4. 

 

Still, only went 9-7 in 1989 and that roster was loaded with 4 HoFers. It wasn't until their 5th season that the Bills went to the SB with all those stars. 

 

 

Currently the Bills don't have a Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett, and their 2019 defense was a top five unit because of a great secondary. They need a better pass rush. The Bills don't have any pro bowlers on the line, at RB, at WR, at QB just yet. They don't have a Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed. Nor a Kent Hill, Jim Ritcher, Will Wolford. 

 

After this season I would expect to see changes for the offensive line, pass rush and probably a new offensive coordinator.

[Nihilarian]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Why are you comparing the way a Bills team was built almost 35 years go to now? It’s not 1986 anymore... it doesn’t take 4 years to rebuild a team.

 

There are numerous examples of teams going from worst to Super Bowl contender within 1-2 years..... The Bills added a pro bowler in Diggs and who was the Chiefs RB last season?

 

They should be a legitimate super bowl contender this year. Anything less is a disappointment. 

I don't see it that way simply because the Bills didn't draft a Patrick Mahomes and they don't have anyone anywhere near as good Andy Reid setting up the offense, calling plays. The man is an offensive genius AND he has previously built a superbowl team.  The Bills don't have a WR like Tyreek Hill or a TE like Travis Kelce. John Harbaugh, been there, done that. This will be Bill O'Brian's seventh season as an NFL HC of the Texans. 

 

Josh Allen was a known project that was supposed to sit for a season or partial season and instead was thrown into the fire because the guy they thought was good enough to start the season at QB wasn't even good enough to be a an NFL backup QB. I love Josh Allen, but he is not nearly as developed as he should be going into his third season. The main reason in my view is that the Bills OC thought Nathan Peterman was good enough...that guy didn't see that Frank Gore was failing after the half way point in 2018. He also underutilized a very good RB for most of the 2019 for some unknown reason. Meanwhile putting that young, inexperienced QB under the gun far, far too many times. 

 

That 2017 Bills O line lost a pro bowl LG and a pro bowl center and because of cap issues replaced them with bums for 2018. Allen running for his life a lot that year. So, the OC starts calling run plays to take advantage of the QB's running ability. That same season, fading RB's, no real receiving corps, bad line. 

 

2019, mostly new O line save for the LT who is average, upgrade at C, rookie at RT and two journeymen at guards. Upgrades at receivers and RB's. That offense was ranked 23rd in points, 24th in yards. So, what was the problem and why wasn't this offense blowing up those bad teams instead of squeaking by them? Considering the quality of talent the 2019 offense faced they should have been much, much better.

 

The offensive line was simply not good enough, 43 QB scrambles which puts Allen at 4th in the NFL. 12th in QB hits and if Allen wasn't so elusive it would have been far more for a non running QB. 5th in the NFL with being blitzed 201 times. Combine this with the number of drops by the receivers. The Bills line not good enough in the red zone to move the ball on the ground.

 

There should have been more Buffalo Bills games like the Cowboys, Broncos, Dolphins. You go back and look at the stats and nearly every time the Bills offense ran the ball well all season. Along with running more than throwing, they usually won and that young, inexperienced QB had a good productive game. 

 

 

Bottom line: I see holes in this 2020 roster. Dire need of a superstar pass rusher and that 90's Bills SB team had two with Smith and Bennett. I'm not sold on the current left side of the Bills O line even being close to what those 90 Bills had in three pro bowlers and an all pro. Not to mention that the right side at G, T are even questionable to be starters. Lastly, i'm not convinced that Brian Daboll is the coordinator that can take this offense to a top 15 unit. I think he has more to prove than Allen.

 

This FO and HC are learning as they go and are doing great job so far. 

[Nextmanup]

On 5/18/2020 at 12:00 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

He’s right.

Let's focus on actually beating the Patriots, at least once, before we set our sights on the division.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

51 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Let's focus on actually beating the Patriots, at least once, before we set our sights on the division.

 

You double dip the chip don’t you?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You double dip the chip don’t you?

 

Pees in the punchbowl.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Pees in the punchbowl.

 

 

Dude....you know that's you.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Dude....you know that's you.

 

D=

 

[3rdand12]

On 5/18/2020 at 12:32 PM, Gugny said:

 

Anyone who doesn't think this is a Super Bowl caliber team isn't paying attention.

 

And you can feel free to enjoy all the moral victories you want.  I'm personally sick of them.  We are into year 4 of the Process.  Time to show me the mother ***** baby.

 

Players don't get rings for winning the division and one playoff game.  

 

They shouldn't be happy with that and nether should fans.

 

Win the ***** Super Bowl.  Period.

 

 

 Playoff Caliber !
  My opinion is different than most i bet .
I want to be in the playoffs for the next 5 years.

 Bills did it before. Made it to the Big Game 4 times

This time will be the charm though. : )

 Gotta be in It to Win It

 Lets Go Buffalo !

21 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Our receivers group as a whole has been lacking for two consecutive seasons, our QB play is slowly getting better, ( a bit to slow to my liking but I get impatient in my old age) and PM is stunningly good at this point in his short career, it will be be a season of comparisons of past and present performances amongst all the contending teams, sure hope Josh and the ball catchers sync up quickly... it will make all the difference imo. 

I feel it is that simple.
if the pass game raises it's level two notches ( i believe it will btw)  The whole team is raised a bar. and good things start happening all over the field

[3rdand12]

12 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

yeah, like 3/5 of the O line goes on IR in September...  that's what I call "something's wrong".. that'd do it

yeah I get that its a fan board with lots of season ticket holders, but with that schedule and last year being an injury free fluke occurance, people are way out over their skis at this point

Nice analogy PT !

[3rdand12]

12 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

yeah, like 3/5 of the O line goes on IR in September...  that's what I call "something's wrong".. that'd do it

yeah I get that its a fan board with lots of season ticket holders, but with that schedule and last year being an injury free fluke occurance, people are way out over their skis at this point

Nice analogy PT !

it is not a now or never choice btw. !

 Let's enjoy the ride up the roller coaster for once : D