Josh's passing stats for 2019 aren't as bad as many people think.

[TwistofFate]

3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Well I’m sure you would agree with PFF then, that Duck Hodges is a better qb than Allen. ?

Absolutely not.  Allen brings much more to the table, especially with running. 

 

Allens biggest problem is accuracy.   Im not worried about him reading defenses all that much, that is a process.   He can run around to buy time reading a defense, or simply run if he must.   Reading Ds will come with time, and he has the tools to make up for not being the best at reading coverages. 

 

On top of that, he isnt dumb.  I believe he scored mid 30s on wonderlic, which is up there. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by TwistofFate

[BarleyNY]

On 5/14/2020 at 7:42 PM, tomur67 said:

       In 16 games Josh  completed 271 passes in 461 attempts for a 58.8%.  If he had 2 more completions per game, that would give him 303 completions for a 64.3% average, which is in the range of most NFL quarterbacks.  Yes, there are some QB's with higher completion averages.  For example,  Drew Brees  led the NFL with a 74.3 completion average, but his completion yardage was 2,979 yards, less than Josh's 3089 yards. It looks like Brees and a few other QB's are throwing a few more screen passes or dump off passes than Josh threw.  Plus you have to figure in drops.  All in all, I'm not worried at all about Josh"s accuracy issue,  In my humble opinion, it's not an issue.

I’m going to offer some perspective here.  In baseball a player gets about 4 official at bats per game.  So if he gets one hit per game he bats .250.  in 2018 the league batting average was basically that (.248).  If an average batter could improve by one hit every three games then he’d go from 3-for-12 to 4-for-12 and have a .333 BA.  Exactly one player broke that mark In 2018.  That means one addition al hit per every three games would take a player from dead average to the best hitter (or top 2 or 3) in the league. The difference in pay would be tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars over a career.  So the incentive for MLB players to make a jump like that is enormous.  
 

Allen is still comfortably in the 20s for metrics that take into account things like drops.  An improvement of just a couple better thrown passes per game would make an enormous difference in his ratings.  But that’s not an easy task and should not be viewed as such by fans.  As I’ve noted many times, Allen came into the league extremely raw and that actually gives me more hope for improvement.  Players like Trubisky were a much more finished product.  Chicago seems to realize that what they saw in 2019 is pretty much who he’s going to be.  I don’t think that Allen is necessarily done developing, but the clock is ticking for him.  As the times to make serious financial commitments to him are nearing (5th year option and long term contract), he’s going to have to step up and show.  

[Bangarang]

13 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I’m going to offer some perspective here.  In baseball a player gets about 4 official at bats per game.  So if he gets one hit per game he bats .250.  in 2018 the league batting average was basically that (.248).  If an average batter could improve by one hit every three games then he’d go from 3-for-12 to 4-for-12 and have a .333 BA.  Exactly one player broke that mark In 2018.  That means one addition al hit per every three games would take a player from dead average to the best hitter (or top 2 or 3) in the league. The difference in pay would be tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars over a career.  So the incentive for MLB players to make a jump like that is enormous.  
 

Allen is still comfortably in the 20s for metrics that take into account things like drops.  An improvement of just a couple better thrown passes per game would make an enormous difference in his ratings.  But that’s not an easy task and should not be viewed as such by fans.  As I’ve noted many times, Allen came into the league extremely raw and that actually gives me more hope for improvement.  Players like Trubisky were a much more finished product.  Chicago seems to realize that what they saw in 2019 is pretty much who he’s going to be.  I don’t think that Allen is necessarily done developing, but the clock is ticking for him.  As the times to make serious financial commitments to him are nearing (5th year option and long term contract), he’s going to have to step up and show.  

Did you really just call Trubisky more of a finished product coming out of college? You should know how wrong and ridiculous that is to say.

 

I can agree with calling Allen raw coming out of Wyoming but why make stuff up? 

Edited May 18, 2020 by Bangarang

[papazoid]

you are, what your stats say you are.

 

24th in total QBR

23rd in total yards

30th in passer rating

[ngbills]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

you are, what your stats say you are.

 

24th in total QBR

23rd in total yards

30th in passer rating

But Jim Kelly, but Eli Manning, but Starr, Unitas, Namath. But but but. Oh jeez, maybe your right. Our offense was not good enough. Our QB was not good enough. As a traditional passer he was downright bad at times. He is going into his 3rd year. He is struggling at the things "coaches/scouts" expected. That is ok. But if people want to be protective of him and debate based on emotion that is fine. End of the day it is what it is. He does not improve, this front office seems to be thoughtful enough to not want to invest $100-200M in the kid. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

He (Allen) finished 16th among qualifying players in my ratings. That said, Brees averaged 78 YPG, and 1.18 YPA, more than Allen through the air. Let's leave Brees out of it.

Edited May 18, 2020 by BuffaloHokie13

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, papazoid said:

you are, what your stats say you are.

 

24th in total QBR

23rd in total yards

30th in passer rating

I don't know if using QBR and passer rating is the best way of analyzing a quarterback whose receivers dropped passes at the rate ours did. Both rely way too heavily (imo) on completions and comp%

 

Nor is gross yards a great metric for QB performance. ANY/A, a very good QB metric, has him at 23rd overall which is where I'd put him comfortably without factoring in what he gives you on the ground.

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Did you really just call Trubisky more of a finished product coming out of college? You should know how wrong and ridiculous that is to say.

 

I can agree with calling Allen raw coming out of Wyoming but why make stuff up? 

I totally disagree.  Trubisky‘s footwork and arm mechanics were excellent coming out of college.  He had good accuracy except with the deep ball.  That’s pretty much exactly who he still is.  He didn’t develop as a pro very well, but his fundamentals were very solid coming out.  Personally, I did not like him as a prospect because I saw him as a low ceiling QB.  

 

OTOH, Allen’s arm mechanics and footwork - especially his footwork - have been improved greatly.  He still falters sometimes, but they’re vastly improved from college.  For instance, he could hardly ever complete a pass to the right flat his rookie season.  That was due to atrocious footwork.  He largely cleaned that up before last season.  I breathed a sigh of relief the first time he threw - and completed - that throw last season.  It’s not like Trubisky had those kinds of problems.

 

Arm mechanics and footwork take time and effort to fix.  Until they become the habit it is easy for any QB to revert to the old habits if they don’t think about them.  I watched it happen to EJ Manuel.  I think it was year two.  He came out looking a lot better.  He’d obviously cleaned up a lot in the offseason, but then the pressure got to him and he reverted.  It was over.

 

There’s a world of difference between a QB with a solid foundation making the leap to the NFL and one who doesn’t that.  The former can focus more on the play, reads, etc.  The latter has a much more difficult road and tends to progress more slowly.  So three years in, we know who Trubisky is.  Allen was still fixing mechanics coming into last season.  Sure, I’m sure he’s developing his reads and progressions, but I don’t expect him to be as far along with those as Trubisky was after year 2.  It makes sense to me that he might have more room for growth there, though it’s by no means a given.

 

The real problems with drafting such a raw QB so high are just these.  One, there’s more hurdles to success.  Maybe he can never fix his mechanics/footwork - and even if he can then he still has everything else to figure out.  And two, you might not know what you really have by the time you have to pay and commit to him.  I’m purposely avoiding predicting Allen’s odds of success or failure.  It’s the offseason and he’s the Bills QB.  I can give him credit for the progress he’s made and allow for the possibility that he’ll continue to develop.

[papazoid]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't know if using QBR and passer rating is the best way of analyzing a quarterback whose receivers dropped passes at the rate ours did. Both rely way too heavily (imo) on completions and comp%

 

Nor is gross yards a great metric for QB performance. ANY/A, a very good QB metric, has him at 23rd overall which is where I'd put him comfortably without factoring in what he gives you on the ground.

 

currently, i rank josh 20th

 

i'm expecting a big improvement in the mental part of game and a slight improvement in the physical throwing 

 

predicting 15th for 2020

[GoBills808]

Just now, papazoid said:

 

currently, i rank josh 20th

 

i'm expecting a big improvement in the mental part of game and a slight improvement in the physical throwing 

 

predicting 15th for 2020

I put him overall in that 16ish range at current but we aren't that far apart

 

I expect him to be a clear cut top 10 guy this coming year

[thebandit27]

16 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Ill lay it out for you nice and simple.   What im going to tell you isn't hypothetical, it's factual. 

 

1.  Allen has never completed 60% or higher at any point in his college career, nor 2 years now as a professional. 

 

2. He's completed sub 50% (mid to low 40s) completion in 3 games this past season.   Every game was a loss, every opponent  finished the season with a winning record. His average attempts per game, was 34. (take a look at our schedule, we need big numbers and points to win this year) 

 

3. With the exception of the Titans, every game Allen completed 60% or greater was against teams without a winning record. 

 

4.  Drops...Out of every team with 20 or more drops this season, Allen is the only Qb with sub 60% completion.   8 teams had 20+ drops.

 

5.  Advanced metrics... Sports Info Solutions, which has risen to be one of the best most trusted analytical outfits in pro football, has Allen ranked as one of the worst Qbs in the NFL from a clean pocket,  as well as on target throws.. (leading receivers with ball placement for YAC)   These stats according to them, are the two most important metrics which determine long term franchise Qb performance.  No franchise Qbs in the last 10 years have posted the poor numbers Allen has in those key metrics, in their first two years.  NONE.  The most similar comparison to Allens numbers, is Mitch Trubisky. 

 

6.  Allen has yet to do something as common and frequent as any other franchise Qb in the NFL.... pass for 300 yards in an NFL game.   2 years in the NFL as a starter, and he has yet to do something routine from NFL Qbs. 

 

Adding Diggs looks beautiful on paper, and to be honest takes away all excuses.  But ill let you in on a secret...Our Wrs were running wide open all over the place last year and if you can't connect with them, it doesn't matter who that reciever is. 

 

I placed a bet on FACTS and DATA, not on unproven hopes, theoretics, and emotions. 

So for a 3rd time in this thread, I’ll ask...with all this analysis, tell me: if Buffalo’s WR/TE group had a league-wide average percentage of drops last season, with absolutely no other changes, what would Allen’s completion percentage have been?

 

The facts actually aren’t on your side here. You’re betting on a regression from Allen combined with zero improvement from the pass catching group.

3 hours ago, papazoid said:

you are, what your stats say you are.

 

24th in total QBR

23rd in total yards

30th in passer rating

6th in total TDs
10-4 in games he started and finished 

 

[thebandit27]

16 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

48% completion against those defenses. 

 

Our defense is one of the best in the NFL. 

 

Lamar put up 3tds and 64% completion. 

 

Duck Hodges as an undrafted rookie put up 61% completion.

 

Brady put up 79% completion on us. 

 

They all faced a top 3 defense in the NFL.   I dont see them combining for 48%.

Since you brought up Brady: Who had a higher passes-on-target percentage in 2019: Brady or Allen? No cheating.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing_advanced.htm

Edited May 18, 2020 by thebandit27

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Since you brought up Brady: Who had a higher passes-on-target percentage in 2019: Brady or Allen? No cheating.

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing_advanced.htm
 

 

Don't bring up these obscure QB statistics! We only want commonly used ones like total yards that put Allen at 23rd...you know, a whole 38 yards behind the league MVP.

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Don't bring up these obscure QB statistics! We only want commonly used ones like total yards that put Allen at 23rd...you know, a whole 38 yards behind the league MVP.

Nice to see you’re back at again. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Nice to see you’re back at again. 

Fight me

[Bangarang]

34 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I totally disagree.  Trubisky‘s footwork and arm mechanics were excellent coming out of college.  He had good accuracy except with the deep ball.  That’s pretty much exactly who he still is.  He didn’t develop as a pro very well, but his fundamentals were very solid coming out.  Personally, I did not like him as a prospect because I saw him as a low ceiling QB.  

 

OTOH, Allen’s arm mechanics and footwork - especially his footwork - have been improved greatly.  He still falters sometimes, but they’re vastly improved from college.  For instance, he could hardly ever complete a pass to the right flat his rookie season.  That was due to atrocious footwork.  He largely cleaned that up before last season.  I breathed a sigh of relief the first time he threw - and completed - that throw last season.  It’s not like Trubisky had those kinds of problems.

 

Arm mechanics and footwork take time and effort to fix.  Until they become the habit it is easy for any QB to revert to the old habits if they don’t think about them.  I watched it happen to EJ Manuel.  I think it was year two.  He came out looking a lot better.  He’d obviously cleaned up a lot in the offseason, but then the pressure got to him and he reverted.  It was over.

 

There’s a world of difference between a QB with a solid foundation making the leap to the NFL and one who doesn’t that.  The former can focus more on the play, reads, etc.  The latter has a much more difficult road and tends to progress more slowly.  So three years in, we know who Trubisky is.  Allen was still fixing mechanics coming into last season.  Sure, I’m sure he’s developing his reads and progressions, but I don’t expect him to be as far along with those as Trubisky was after year 2.  It makes sense to me that he might have more room for growth there, though it’s by no means a given.

 

The real problems with drafting such a raw QB so high are just these.  One, there’s more hurdles to success.  Maybe he can never fix his mechanics/footwork - and even if he can then he still has everything else to figure out.  And two, you might not know what you really have by the time you have to pay and commit to him.  I’m purposely avoiding predicting Allen’s odds of success or failure.  It’s the offseason and he’s the Bills QB.  I can give him credit for the progress he’s made and allow for the possibility that he’ll continue to develop.

Trubisky attempted less passes in college than Allen.
 

Nagy has stated that Trubisky has problems with his footwork and mechanics.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/matt-nagy-says-mitchell-trubiskys-troubles-are-all-in-the-footwork

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/22/chicago-bears-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-footwork/amp/
 

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2018/12/12/a-three-int-game-has-mitch-trubisky-re-working-his-footwork-mechanics/
 

Every QB works on their footwork and mechanics once they get to the NFL. Saying Trubisky’s are excellent clearly doesn’t appear to be the case. And regardless, there also so much more to being a developed QB than just the 2 things you mentioned..

[BarleyNY]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Trubisky attempted less passes in college than Allen.
 

Nagy has stated that Trubisky has problems with his footwork and mechanics.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bears/news/matt-nagy-says-mitchell-trubiskys-troubles-are-all-in-the-footwork

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/22/chicago-bears-matt-nagy-mitch-trubisky-footwork/amp/
 

https://www.bleachernation.com/bears/2018/12/12/a-three-int-game-has-mitch-trubisky-re-working-his-footwork-mechanics/
 

Every QB works on their footwork and mechanics once they get to the NFL. Saying Trubisky’s are excellent clearly doesn’t appear to be the case. And regardless, there also so much more to being a developed QB than just the 2 things you mentioned..

Trubisky has had good arm mechanics and footwork with a clean pocket. The issues he has had with them happens when he is under pressure.  He breaks down in a lot of ways under pressure.  That was also the case in college - and it was a big red flag for such a highly drafted prospect.

 

Yes, there is more to being a QB than the two things I mentioned.  However I thought they illustrated the differences between a QB prospect as raw as Allen was and one who had a lot less work to do on his fundamentals.  Also I thought what I wrote was plenty long enough already.

[papazoid]

3rd .....in fumbles....laffin

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=M

[Bangarang]

37 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Trubisky has had good arm mechanics and footwork with a clean pocket. The issues he has had with them happens when he is under pressure.  He breaks down in a lot of ways under pressure.  That was also the case in college - and it was a big red flag for such a highly drafted prospect.

 

So his footwork isn’t excellent.

 

37 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Yes, there is more to being a QB than the two things I mentioned.  However I thought they illustrated the differences between a QB prospect as raw as Allen was and one who had a lot less work to do on his fundamentals.  Also I thought what I wrote was plenty long enough already.

But Trubisky clearly has to work on his fundamentals. Saying Allen was a raw prospect is fine. I just don’t see the need to exaggerate how other raw prospects were way more developed compared to him. 

[BarleyNY]

52 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

So his footwork isn’t excellent.

 

But Trubisky clearly has to work on his fundamentals. Saying Allen was a raw prospect is fine. I just don’t see the need to exaggerate how other raw prospects were way more developed compared to him. 

I’m not exaggerating anything when I state that Allen was not nearly as far along in his development as most highly drafted QBs, like Trubisky.  You’re welcome to your opinion that he was, but I don’t know how you justify it.  I’m not saying that every other QB didn’t have work to do, but they could hit a RB in the right flat with a pass.

 

I’m not making any excuses for anyone here either.  I didn’t like the Bills drafting such a raw QB so highly.  Going into the draft I didn’t like Allen’s chances of success due in part to that - and, truthfully, I still don’t.  But I can allow for the possibility that he still might have a shot at developing further.  I’ll leave it there. 

[without a drought]

Nor are they as good as some people think.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

3rd .....in fumbles....laffin

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=M

6th...in total TDs...laffin right back

[GoBills808]

18 minutes ago, without a drought said:

Nor are they as good as some people think.

lol nobody thinks his statistics are good

[without a drought]

30 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

lol nobody thinks his statistics are good

I only said some.

 

 

[TwistofFate]

5 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Trubisky has had good arm mechanics and footwork with a clean pocket. The issues he has had with them happens when he is under pressure.  He breaks down in a lot of ways under pressure.  That was also the case in college - and it was a big red flag for such a highly drafted prospect.

 

Yes, there is more to being a QB than the two things I mentioned.  However I thought they illustrated the differences between a QB prospect as raw as Allen was and one who had a lot less work to do on his fundamentals.  Also I thought what I wrote was plenty long enough already.

Of particular note to me was the fact that a rookie Trubisky was 10th in the league when it came to throwing under pressure (accurate 38.5% of the time) but 26th in the league with a clean pocket (61.5%). So, prior to his first year with Matt Nagy, Trubisky was proving everyone right. He was able to throw a deep ball well when he was on the move, but in a clean pocket he’d make some really bad misses.

 

Clean pocket passing statistic is the key metric.   

 

 Bigger athletic quarterbacks are usually going to excel in scramble drills for multitude of reasons.

 

1.  Coverage breaks down, leaving Wrs to slip open uncovered. The longer the scramble, usually the more open a Wr becomes. 

 

2.  Mechanics get thrown out the window and raw arm talent usually takes precedence. 

 

3. Less psychological pressure exists because your scrambling to make a play thats not supposed to be made, vs being in a clean pocket making a play you are supposed to make. 

 

4.  Have the ability to create plays with legs and athletic abilities to shed would be tacklers.  

 

If you can't throw from a clean pocket you are never going to be a franchise quarterback. Unfortunately, Trubisky can't throw from a clean pocket just like Allen can't throw from a clean pocket.

Edited May 19, 2020 by TwistofFate

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Every week , it’s the same talking points by the usual cast of the anti-Josh sorority!!!  Come on ladies, give it a rest for a couple of weeks!

Edited May 19, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[BigBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Every week , it’s the same talking points by the usual cast of the anti-Josh sorority!!!  Come on ladies, give it a rest for a couple of weeks!

 

Nah we'll stick around to see your panties in a twist every time someone brings up facts so  you can rebrand internet machismo to a new level

[ngbills]

11 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Every week , it’s the same talking points by the usual cast of the anti-Josh sorority!!!  Come on ladies, give it a rest for a couple of weeks!

Well until there is a new season and Josh plays better the talking points are still valid. They dont go away because people want them to go away. They dont go away because we have Diggs. Not because its year 3. You have to play the games first. 

[Watkins101]

I think these threads are hilarious. Look guys, Josh wasn't that bad, as you can see, if he did better, he would be good! Don't get me wrong, I support Josh. But these threads where people say if he made 2 more completions per game and then point that he's good because of that are pretty dumb.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

Nah we'll stick around to see your panties in a twist every time someone brings up facts so  you can rebrand internet machismo to a new level

I absolutely love that anything negative about Josh is a “fact” while anything that provides context is an “excuse” ? 

Edited May 19, 2020 by thebandit27

[tomur67]

1 hour ago, Watkins101 said:

I think these threads are hilarious. Look guys, Josh wasn't that bad, as you can see, if he did better, he would be good! Don't get me wrong, I support Josh. But these threads where people say if he made 2 more completions per game and then point that he's good because of that are pretty dumb.

What I think is that you're pretty dumb because you're missing the intention of the thread or I'm pretty dumb for not expressing myself clearly.  My intent was to say that there may not be much of a difference between a QB that has a 64-65% completion average and Josh when you consider all the other factors of the game.   If you disagree with that I guess I am the dumb one as you say.

[Nextmanup]

On 5/14/2020 at 7:42 PM, tomur67 said:

       In 16 games Josh  completed 271 passes in 461 attempts for a 58.8%.  If he had 2 more completions per game, that would give him 303 completions for a 64.3% average, which is in the range of most NFL quarterbacks.  Yes, there are some QB's with higher completion averages.  For example,  Drew Brees  led the NFL with a 74.3 completion average, but his completion yardage was 2,979 yards, less than Josh's 3089 yards. It looks like Brees and a few other QB's are throwing a few more screen passes or dump off passes than Josh threw.  Plus you have to figure in drops.  All in all, I'm not worried at all about Josh"s accuracy issue,  In my humble opinion, it's not an issue.

The excuses, like your thread here, stop THIS SEASON.

 

And thank goodness! 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

56 minutes ago, tomur67 said:

What I think is that you're pretty dumb because you're missing the intention of the thread or I'm pretty dumb for not expressing myself clearly.  My intent was to say that there may not be much of a difference between a QB that has a 64-65% completion average and Josh when you consider all the other factors of the game.   If you disagree with that I guess I am the dumb one as you say.

He’s never gotten over 60% in any season in any level.  So yes for him, it’s a big difference.  Because if it was as fluky with a completion here or a completion there, he would have done it, especially against the subpar competition he was playing against before the nfl.  
 

hopefully, he puts it to bed but to dismiss it like some do is pretty foolish. 

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He’s never gotten over 60% in any season in any level.  So yes for him, it’s a big difference.  Because if it was as fluky with a completion here or a completion there, he would have done it, especially against the subpar competition he was playing against before the nfl.  
 

hopefully, he puts it to bed but to dismiss it like some do is pretty foolish. 

Again, had his WRs merely been average in terms of drop percentage, the 8 fewer drops would’ve put him at 60.5% for the season.

 

So I would say that it’s not a huge difference.

[Watkins101]

53 minutes ago, tomur67 said:

What I think is that you're pretty dumb because you're missing the intention of the thread or I'm pretty dumb for not expressing myself clearly.  My intent was to say that there may not be much of a difference between a QB that has a 64-65% completion average and Josh when you consider all the other factors of the game.   If you disagree with that I guess I am the dumb one as you say.

Well that was expressed pretty poorly. Basically, you say, look if Josh completed more passes, he'd have a better completion percentage. He might be alright because he doesn't throw as many checkdowns or screens. Your only evidence of this is Free Brees on the basis of him having a higher completion percentage, but less yards. This terrible evidence as some have noted: Drew Brees played 5 and some change less games than Allen. If you look at yards per attempt Brees is over a yard over Allen. You also say Josh suffers from drops, but give zero evidence of it. 

 

So in summary, you think Josh might not be bad because 1. He threw less checkdowns according to bad evidence, and 2. He had more drops. (no evidence)

 

And if you are going to say, well, everyone knows he had more drops, because we've seen those stats and everybody knows, what was the he point of this thread? It's already a repeat of multiple past threads. 

[Mark Vader]

On 5/14/2020 at 9:08 PM, TwistofFate said:

The video im going to post right now gets me in trouble, but this is the truth. 

 

People who are questionable of Allen see the things you don't think exist. 

 

 

 

This video shows all the weakness of Allen that people make excuses for. 

 

Take notice to several things throughout this video. 

 

1.  Clean pockets and amount of time Allen has to pass. 

 

2.  Ball placement of each throw.   Was it optimal placement to give the receiver YAC?  How far off the mark is each throw? 

 

3.  Count how many balls counted as DROPS, that were nearly impossible catches that receivers layed out for or jumped through the air or tried to become contortionists to catch. 

 

Allen's single greatest problem is his accuracy.  Thus far in his career he is stilled plagued by his biggest knock....consistency of his throws. 

 

I'm really at a loss that people can't objectively see his major weakness.

 

Can he light it up this year?  Yes.  Did they give him the tools to succeed?   Yes.  Is his accuracy still his biggest concern???   YES

 

Will he step up this season and take this franchise by the reins?????  "?"

 

Imo, history is not on his side. 

Josh Allen needs to improve, I don't think anyone questions that.

 

Now with this video you posted.....Are you trying to say that Josh Allen did not improve at all during last year's season whatsoever?

[ngbills]

28 minutes ago, tomur67 said:

What I think is that you're pretty dumb because you're missing the intention of the thread or I'm pretty dumb for not expressing myself clearly.  My intent was to say that there may not be much of a difference between a QB that has a 64-65% completion average and Josh when you consider all the other factors of the game.   If you disagree with that I guess I am the dumb one as you say.

And why does Josh get the "extra" but that does not apply to everyone else? Play this game with everyone and it pushes everyone's numbers up. 

[tomur67]

I think that Josh gets  the "extra" , like Lamar and Kyler because of his running ability and his heart for the game.

[BuffaloBob]

On 5/15/2020 at 8:32 AM, 1ManRaid said:

And if my aunt had a dick, she would be my uncle.

Not necessarily. ?

[BigBillsFan]

10 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

I absolutely love that anything negative about Josh is a “fact” while anything that provides context is an “excuse” ? 

 

Yeah because being the lowest rated starting QB for the season in yards per game and completion % 2 years in a row needs context.

 

Did you know if Jamarcus Russell just added 1 touchdown a game he would still be starting in the NFL?