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Rd 5, Pick 167: QB Jake Fromm, Georgia

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The one thing I'll say for Fromm, as a counterpoint to the Peterman comparison, is that he apparently reads the defense post-snap and throws with anticipation. Peterman seemed to always throw the ball exactly where he thought it should go pre-snap without waiting to see what the defense did. So yes Fromm's arm might be just as weak as Peterman's but I don't think he'll be a pick machine. Everything I'm reading about him says he takes care of the ball, to a fault. That's decent backup QB material. I like the pick better now than I did at first.

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25 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said:

And the guy who drafted Petermann, and signed McCarron, and blah, blah blah.

 

It's a 5th round pick, he can make a mistake.  It's not going to break anything.

 

Just don't see the logic of replacing Barkley with a Barkley clone without the experience.

No actually, that was DW.

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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The one thing I'll say for Fromm, as a counterpoint to the Peterman comparison, is that he apparently reads the defense post-snap and throws with anticipation. Peterman seemed to always throw the ball exactly where he thought it should go pre-snap without waiting to see what the defense did. So yes Fromm's arm might be just as weak as Peterman's but I don't think he'll be a pick machine. Everything I'm reading about him says he takes care of the ball, to a fault. That's decent backup QB material. I like the pick better now than I did at first.

Yeah, the one thing you can't have from a backup QB is them coming in and turning the ball over a bunch. They need to at least manage the game and take care of the football. That's why Tyrod is an excellent backup.

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1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I liked Peterman's upside as an extremely smart and accurate QB, as did one of the 32 best coaches in all of football and one of the 32 GM's in all of football - not to mention draft experts. He didn't meet that potential while here, but he's still 25 and employed. He may get another shot, and then it's up to him. He beat out Allen by a mile in his first camp, and as a result earned the right to start. That's where it starts and stops for me, but you can't seem to wrap your head around that fact.

My skepticism of Allen goes back to pre-draft and he's done very little to fix his flaws so far or prove that his strengths can overcome them so far - but I'm still hopeful. What success this team has had is not a result of him carrying them, but of a well balanced and solid team in an extremely weak conference.

It's a lot easier to get stronger than it is to get smarter, but with the amount of Dunning-Kruger going on in here that might be hard to believe

 

There was no upside!! He couldn’t make NFL throws outside of the numbers. 
 

Again, you believed in Peterman but are skeptical on Allen. We just don’t look at QBs the same way I guess.

 

- I believe that Peterman is the worst QB to ever play.
 

- I believe that Josh Allen is a huge talent that has made big strides. He can do absolutely everything on the football field. IMO, he’s more likely to be a league MVP than he is to flameout. FWIW, I was not an Allen guy coming out. 

 

- I also believe it’s easier to learn the game and for it to slow down than to gain physical skills. We disagree there too. 
 

I don’t see any reason to continue talking about this (especially here).  If you have more that you want to add go ahead but I won’t respond so as to not totally derail this. Bottom line we disagree on QB traits. I think Fromm can and will be the Bills backup. He isn’t going to be a starter ever IMO (and that’s okay). Everyone can feel free to disagree but that’s how I feel.

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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

The one thing I'll say for Fromm, as a counterpoint to the Peterman comparison, is that he apparently reads the defense post-snap and throws with anticipation. Peterman seemed to always throw the ball exactly where he thought it should go pre-snap without waiting to see what the defense did. So yes Fromm's arm might be just as weak as Peterman's but I don't think he'll be a pick machine. Everything I'm reading about him says he takes care of the ball, to a fault. That's decent backup QB material. I like the pick better now than I did at first.

 

I agree.  That's the only explanation for him continuing to throw that damn 10-yard out over and over and over again.

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Dear Jake,

 

Don’t touch anything that belongs to Josh or you’ll be swimming with the fishes. 

 

Thanks.

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46 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

You also can't un-teach ragarmitis.

But you can win football games with ragarmitis

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Some of you guys need to chill. You don’t start as a true freshman and then for three years at a major SEC program like Georgia and “suck”. 

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10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Not ignoring anything. I addressed what Josh has done.

 

My point is someone that likes Peterman as a QB the way that you do has ZERO credibility in terms of QB analysis. You liked Peterman but question Allen. That’s absurd. It’s an unreasonable position.

 

In terms of the topic, and Fromm, he’s a backup QB. He could be a good one. Only idiots believe that he is here to compete for the starting job. That’s what my issue is. I have no issue taking a backup QB in the 5th. It is a need. I have an issue (and will have an issue) when people start screaming for Fromm after a bad Allen game. We already have some on here claiming that he will be the QB. Those people have clearly not watched Fromm but have a loud voice. They’ll be posting here and calling WGR, etc... 

Oh, yeah? Did Tom Brady not beat out Drew Bledsoe? I’m a big supporter of Josh Allen but Jake Fromm was of tremendous value in the 5th. He should have been a 2nd round pick. Reminds me a lot of Andy Dalton. He could absolutely develop into a quality QB and if Josh Allen takes a step backwards you’ll probably be hearing a lot from Fromm. I don’t think that’ll happen but the Peterman comparisons are lazy. Fromm is by far a better prospect. His arm is better and can make all the throws. Will he challenge Allen? Doubt it. Allen has way too good an arm and way too much God given ability as a runner to not be a starting QB in this league but Fromm is a quality prospect. Peterman comparisons piss me off.

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Really, at this point there's no guarantee that any pick makes this roster, so this strikes me as a perfectly sensible pick. There's only 2 QBs on the roster. I kind of like Barkley, but let's be honest: he was signed off the street, and if they let him go, there's another Matt Barkley out there waiting for the chance. 

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52 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Best player available.   I wonder what Josh is thinking right now?

Josh is thinking. If this guy orders ranch with his wings. He's banned from the QB room.

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40 minutes ago, TroutDog said:


Yeah, I didn’t watch the combine. I do watch the SEC, however, and while he is clearly cerebral, he just doesn’t have an arm or other physical tools like most NFL QB’s. 
 

Just my opinion, I’m not attempting to get anyone’s panties in a wad. 😃 


All good brother :)

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Alexa, play WGR 

 

drunk callers incoming

wow.  I chuckled and mumbled this to myself.

 

Suddenly, she woke up and started to play WGR.  And I have never asked her to play any radio station before.  Alexa >>>>> Siri

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Just load him up with HGH.  Worked for...

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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

There was no upside!! He couldn’t make NFL throws outside of the numbers. 
 

Again, you believed in Peterman but are skeptical on Allen. We just don’t look at QBs the same way I guess.

 

- I believe that Peterman is the worst QB to ever play.
 

- I believe that Josh Allen is a huge talent that has made big strides. He can do absolutely everything on the football field. IMO, he’s more likely to be a league MVP than he is to flameout. FWIW, I was not an Allen guy coming out. 

 

- I also believe it’s easier to learn the game and for it to slow down than to gain physical skills. We disagree there too. 
 

I don’t see any reason to continue talking about this (especially here).  If you have more that you want to add go ahead but I won’t respond so as to not totally derail this. Bottom line we disagree on QB traits. I think Fromm can and will be the Bills backup. He isn’t going to be a starter ever IMO (and that’s okay). Everyone can feel free to disagree but that’s how I feel.

I think arm strength is one of the most meaningless traits to judge a QB on as it can be improved while in the league or worked around. Countless high draft picks with  rocket arms that we've forgotten about. Your horse cost us the farm, so he better be right. Mine was a throwaway pick.

P.S. Where do Nate & I send our rent checks for taking up all this space in your head?

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5 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Oh, yeah? Did Tom Brady not beat out Drew Bledsoe? I’m a big supporter of Josh Allen but Jake Fromm was of tremendous value in the 5th. He should have been a 2nd round pick. Reminds me a lot of Andy Dalton. He could absolutely develop into a quality QB and if Josh Allen takes a step backwards you’ll probably be hearing a lot from Fromm. I don’t think that’ll happen but the Peterman comparisons are lazy. Fromm is by far a better prospect. His arm is better and can make all the throws. Will he challenge Allen? Doubt it. Allen has way too good an arm and way too much God given ability as a runner to not be a starting QB in this league but Fromm is a quality prospect. Peterman comparisons piss me off.

Oh great, the Brady argument...

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Watch them play and don’t read stats. Allen is 2,000,000,000,000,000x better than Fromm. He has a rag arm. If you were a fan of what Peterman brought you’ll love Fromm!!


But is this even a comparison?  It seems to me that From was drafted as a #3 developmental backup.  Not a challenge to start at QB
 

I do think that Fromm is better and more established QB than Peterman too.  

7 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

Some of you guys need to chill. You don’t start as a true freshman and then for three years at a major SEC program like Georgia and “suck”. 


True, I think people are forgetting about this...

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6 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Why?

Ha ha, keep flipping through. My main issue is the people that will be screaming for him. He’s strictly a backup. If everyone can agree with that we are cool. I was preparing for the “Brady was a 6th rounder” and “he’s better than Josh.” They’ve both come already. He’s not. He has a chance to be a decent backup. That was a need. It was good value for that.

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