Why do we need a WR in the draft?

[MrSarcasm]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No irony. You made a claim. The burden of proof is on you to prove that claim. My feeling is that your claim is BS. It is on you to prove that it isn’t. If I said “not one more person will contract COVID” and you said “that doesn’t feel right” that’s on me to prove what I said. That’s what we are dealing with here. You said something to try to support your point but you just made it up. When asked “where did it come from” you ducked the question. “I made that up” doesn’t go very far in convincing others to follow your perspective. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-some-positions-riskier-to-pick-than-others-in-the-nfl-draft/amp/

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

Am I not seeing something? I keep seeing people are wanting us to go WR first/second pick in this years draft. Why? We now have a stud WR1, an excellent WR2 and an excellent slot. All of these guys are under contract for the next 3+ years as well.

 

So people want us to use our 2nd rounder or 3rd to draft a backup WR that will hardly see the field or they are expecting one of these three to be cut in the near future(I'd like to hear which one lol).

 

Please someone shed some light on the matter.

 

 

Well, you presented a question, but did not offer your solution as to what positions you think need attention over a WR.  Not saying you don’t have a point, so where would rather allocate those draft picks!

[MrSarcasm]

1 minute ago, Hermes said:

 

The Bills offense ranked towards the bottom of the league, while the defense ranked at the top.

 

The Bills put significant resources this off-season on defensive players, and not necessarily an equal amount on offense.

 

Brandon Beane says the team needs touchdown makers and guys who can take it to the house from anywhere on the field. 

 

The draft is loaded with offensive playmakers

 

A second round de or safety would see about as much time (maybe less) than a wr. They would be sitting behind at least 3 players and maybe 4.

 

The reason the Bills lost games was a lack of offensive fire power.

 

How's that?

 

 

 

Again, so how does a backup WR fix the offense this year or even next?

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

Because Beasley and Brown are about 31 and 30 years old, as I recall. I didn’t look it up, but that’s close and our WR corp is getting up there in age. A young guy to bring along could come in handy in the next year or two. Find quality depth to start developing if its a good fit and value. 

 

You have possibly a generationally deep WR class. Why would you NOT want to take advantage of it if the cards fell that way? 

 

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Exactly. Very few WRs are starter-ready as rookies so you need to draft them in advance of when you really need them.  If you look at their ages and contracts, it is highly likely Brown and Beasley both have two years left in Buffalo.  So it's either develop young talent now or go bargain basement shopping in FA later for starters at WR.

 

Remember by then they'll have had to pay Josh and a bunch of other guys so they won't have $90m in cap space every year.

 

I'm not saying it's mandatory to draft a WR with a day 2 pick, but it is high on the list of positions they should be targeting in rounds 2 and 3.   I tend to think RBs can be found later in the draft but wouldn't have an issue if they felt they found great value earlier in the draft.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-some-positions-riskier-to-pick-than-others-in-the-nfl-draft/amp/

Thanks!! That’s all pretty interesting. Good stuff and the perfect time of year for it. Appreciate you digging it up.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[MrSarcasm]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Well, you presented a question, but did not offer your solution as to what positions you think need attention over a WR.  Not saying you don’t have a point, so where would rather allocate those draft picks!

DE, Saftey, CB, OL.

WR and RB outside the 3rd but I'd be willing to 'reach' in the 3rd for a skill guy if the value was right.

[Hermes]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

Again, so how does a backup WR fix the offense this year or even next?

 

Finding another WR that can take the field and add another dynamic option to the offense that defenses will already have a hard time with will take the offense to the next level. Running a fast past offense can wear your own guys down so allowing them to have another more than capable WR in the wings stresses a defense even more.

 

What if the WR they draft goes on a tear towards the end of the year and takes more snaps than Brown. It's not like this a rare occurrence. You act like a second round WR can't come on and be better than the guys the Bills already have

4 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

DE, Saftey, CB, OL.

WR and RB outside the 3rd but I'd be willing to 'reach' in the 3rd for a skill guy if the value was right.

 

All of the positions you mention would undoubtedly be backups to start too. So you tell me how would a back up, DE, safety, CB, or OL improve the defense or offense

[MrSarcasm]

2 minutes ago, Hermes said:

 

Finding another WR that can take the field and add another dynamic option to the offense that defenses will already have a hard time with will take the offense to the next level. Running a fast past offense can wear your own guys down so allowing them to have another more than capable WR in the wings stresses a defense even more.

 

What if the WR they draft goes on a tear towards the end of the year and takes more snaps than Brown. It's not like this a rare occurrence. You act like a second round WR can't come on and be better than the guys the Bills already have

So true... Zay was a beast...

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[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

DE, Saftey, CB, OL.

WR and RB outside the 3rd but I'd be willing to 'reach' in the 3rd for a skill guy if the value was right.

Question.  Most pundits argue we have a top-5 defense right now, so why do you argue defense?  Which position are you looking to draft as a starter on defense that isn’t drafting for depth similar to drafting a WR (ie safety).  

Edited April 6, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[BigBobby]

It's funny. People talk about brown like he's some amazing #2 receiver. Let's not forget he did next to nothing the 2nd half of the year and may have cost us a playoff win more than anyone else on the roster. He had multiple lazy attempts where even a mediocre gets his foot down. One would have put us around the 5 yard line to give us a chance to seal the game. I'm ready to upgrade there.

[SirAndrew]

56 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m saying I feel like we really have only THREE quality NFL WR’s right now, and 2 of them are in their 30’s. Plus they often have injuries to deal with. (It seems like fast guys and hammys are an issue.)  It’s a seriously talented WR draft pool this year. If they feel they can get the right guy at the right value, I’d fully support that. 

 

Tell me, what is your reasoning for NOT wanting a WR? 

Yeah, our top three WR’s are a nice group, but no one below them on the depth chart should be on the field as an NFL WR imo. That’s a problem, and could be easily remedied by drafting a wideout. John Brown had a spectacular 2019, but he’s had an inconsistent career. I don’t count on him repeating last years production. Obviously, Diggs will more than make up for whatever drop in production Brown could have, but if Brown or Beasley slow down a bit, another option would be nice. 

[MrSarcasm]

7 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Question.  Most pundits argue we have a top-5 defense right now, so why do you argue defense?  Which position are you looking to draft as a starter on defense that isn’t drafting for depth similar to drafting a WR (ie safety).  

DE, split with Hughes and take his spot next year.

[HappyDays]

We don't need to force a WR pick early but we should take 1 or 2 at some point. We need a size receiver that can compete with Duke, and someone to compete with McKenzie/backup Beasley. With pick 54 I want us to draft someone that will compete for a starting job so WR wouldn't be my first choice there. Round 3 and beyond the value will be there.

[MrSarcasm]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Yeah, our top three WR’s are a nice group, but no one below them on the depth chart should be on the field as an NFL WR imo. That’s a problem, and could be easily remedied by drafting a wideout. John Brown had a spectacular 2019, but he’s had an inconsistent career. I don’t count on him repeating last years production. Obviously, Diggs will more than make up for whatever drop in production Brown could have, but if Brown or Beasley slow down a bit, another option would be nice. 

That's most backups for many teams. Is their a free agent WR that would be an upgrade in your opinion?

[njbuff]

Don't be surprised if they take Bryan Edwards at 54.

[Hermes]

14 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

So true... Zay was a beast...

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Because Zay Jones is available to be drafted this year, correct.  Jw

 

Also, what you're saying is that your fear of drafting Zay Jones wouldn't allow you to draft AJ Brown or DK Metcalf. That's simply irrational.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Hermes

[Cal]

Beasly and Brown are now 30. That's usually when WRs start to fall off. Plus we could use some height. 

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, BigBobby said:

It's funny. People talk about brown like he's some amazing #2 receiver. Let's not forget he did next to nothing the 2nd half of the year and may have cost us a playoff win more than anyone else on the roster. He had multiple lazy attempts where even a mediocre gets his foot down. One would have put us around the 5 yard line to give us a chance to seal the game. I'm ready to upgrade there.

 

There's some truth to this post. In an ideal world Brown would be our #3 outside WR. But he's not someone we need to force out of the position. If WR is BPA, absolutely take one. It just isn't a need like it was before Diggs. We could go into the season with the WR depth chart we have now and we'd still have a top 5 unit. There are probably other players available in the 2nd and even 3rd round that will have a more immediate contribution than any WR we could draft.

[MrSarcasm]

4 minutes ago, Hermes said:

 

Because Zay Jones is available to be drafted this year, correct.  Jw

 

Also, what you're saying is that your fear of drafting Zay Jones wouldn't allow you to draft AJ Brown or DK Metcalf. That's simply irrational.

Still with DK?

 

No I'm saying that everyone is expecting a AJ Brown or DK when in reality your chances of getting a Zay Jones is much higher. To boot you want to take this chance on a guy that wont see much field time for 2 years. 

7 minutes ago, Cal said:

Beasly and Brown are now 30. That's usually when WRs start to fall off. Plus we could use some height. 

Again so I ask, when will one of those 2 get cut and who? 

 

If it's in 2 years then that's a long wait for a 2nd rounder to start.

[SirAndrew]

9 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

That's most backups for many teams. Is their a free agent WR that would be an upgrade in your opinion?

I get your point, but there are teams who have a fourth WR I like more than Foster, Williams, McKenzie, or Roberts. Those guys are not NFL caliber wideouts imo. If they are pressed into service, we’d make due, but I’d draft someone in hopes of them being an upgrade. I’d just attempt to upgrade depth at that position in the draft, as opposed to free agency. 

[ehfeuh57]

Because WR's are everyone's favorite!

[Hermes]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

Still with DK?

 

No I'm saying that everyone is expecting a AJ Brown or DK when in reality your chances of getting a Zay Jones is much higher. To boot you want to take this chance on a guy that wont see much field time for 2 years. 

 

It doesn't matter what the name is. Just a point a reference in the discussion regarding 2nd round WRs.  ?

 

The chances of getting any impact player in the 2nd at any position is going to be slim this year considering the construction and depth of the roster.

 

At this point would you rather try to hit a grand slam or a ground rule double?

[Happy]

17 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

DE, split with Hughes and take his spot next year.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing another DE added (get rid of Murphy), but I'm not sure this is a very good draft for DE/Edge rushers.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

We still need playmakers. This is the deepest WR class in a long time and 2/3 top WR’s are in their 30’s.

[SirAndrew]

42 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

The 4th WR doesn't just sit on the bench I mean we had 5 active in the Texans game with Brown, Beasley, Roberts, McKenzie, and Duke. Out of the five four of them all had 4 receptions.

Good point. People who act like the fourth WR doesn’t get any playing time aren’t aware of how football is played in the 21st century. 

[LSHMEAB]

I remember a time when the narrative was that receivers weren't that important and it was all about the QB and the OLINE.

 

Now, it seems that filling the roster with 5 stud receivers is a must.

 

Neither is correct. But the reality is that the Bills are very much set at receiver. 

 

If you look at the position relative to DE, the argument regarding Beasley/Brown being 30 is greatly diminished. Diggs is number 1 receiver entering his prime. When you have a true number 1 in his prime and solid players like Brown and Beasley, you're in good shape. Doesn't mean you don't continue to add to the position, but you don't really want to use your 2nd round pick there.

 

At DE, we don't have that young stud. Addison and Hughes are Beasley/Brown. That's fine. But the DE group doesn't have a DIGGS. 

 

This is a terrific question because people are really getting carried away with the idea of creating a Madden like dream team at WR.

 

You've got an entire roster to fill, and it would be foolish to OVER allocate resources to any one of them.

 

It's time for the OC and the QB to get the job done. That's the bottom line.

[Mark Vader]

I think we need more WR's for two reasons.

 

A. Brown & Beasley are now in their 30's and are only signed for 2 more seasons. Have to think about the future.

 

B. We can upgrade over players like Foster, Williams, McKenzie & Roberts.

 

This WR class is deep and we should take whomever we can get so that we can get better and better.

 

I'm not saying we should take a WR with our 2nd round pick, unless there is someone we cannot pass up. If Denzel Mims, Michael Pittman, or Donovan Peoples-Jones are there at 54. WE should seriously consider taking one of them.

 

I think 3rd round is more realistic as to where we take a WR, and I would even grab a WR in the 5th or 6th round as well.

 

Big picture. We need to take advantage of a strong receiver class that could help us in the future.

[Charles Romes]

BPA 

[ChanticleerBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

We still need playmakers. This is the deepest WR class in a long time and 2/3 top WR’s are in their 30’s.

This. 
 

Deep class that we should want to take a swing. Guys are gonna fall. I’m more in the 3rd/4th round camp for WR, but what if DJ Hamler, Denzel Mims or Tee Higgins is there. May wanna go that direction

[MrSarcasm]

21 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Good point. People who act like the fourth WR doesn’t get any playing time aren’t aware of how football is played in the 21st century. 

How often is a fourth WR personel used? More than what other personnel groupings?

 

 

Answer: Yes. More than the 5 WR personel.

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After further digging, Arizona was the highest user of the 4 WRs personnel last year at....(drumroll)... a whopping 18% of the time followed by Seattle at 10%. ?

Edited April 6, 2020 by MrSarcasm

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

Really??? So people complained last year and we go out and trade a 1st rounder for a Stefon Diggs and you are saying that is not enough?

 

Any stats out there on how often we went with 4 WRs out on the field?(not DeMarco lining up wide lol)

 

A teams 4th WR should not be drafted in the first 3 rounds.

 

Period.

the defending super bowl champs beg to differ.

[Happy]

22 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I remember a time when the narrative was that receivers weren't that important and it was all about the QB and the OLINE.

 

Now, it seems that filling the roster with 5 stud receivers is a must.

 

Neither is correct. But the reality is that the Bills are very much set at receiver. 

 

If you look at the position relative to DE, the argument regarding Beasley/Brown being 30 is greatly diminished. Diggs is number 1 receiver entering his prime. When you have a true number 1 in his prime and solid players like Brown and Beasley, you're in good shape. Doesn't mean you don't continue to add to the position, but you don't really want to use your 2nd round pick there.

 

At DE, we don't have that young stud. Addison and Hughes are Beasley/Brown. That's fine. But the DE group doesn't have a DIGGS. 

 

This is a terrific question because people are really getting carried away with the idea of creating a Madden like dream team at WR.

 

You've got an entire roster to fill, and it would be foolish to OVER allocate resources to any one of them.

 

It's time for the OC and the QB to get the job done. That's the bottom line.

 

I like the way you're thinking in this post.  Problem is I'm not sure there is a DE worth taking with our second round pick,  To get a Diggs-type DE, a true first or second round guy needs to be selected; not sure they do that in a couple of weeks.

[Hermes]

13 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

How often is a fourth WR personel used? More than what other personnel groupings?

 

 

Answer: Yes. More than the 5 WR personel.

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After further digging, Arizona was the highest user of the 4 WRs personnel last year at....(drumroll)... a whopping 18% of the time followed by Seattle at 10%. ?

 

The thing is it's not about running a 4 WR set. It's about creating mismatches using different personnel grouping. Like a 2 or 3 WR set with different players ( Diggs, and Brown, Diggs and Beasley, Brown and Beasley, etc)

 

So a 4th WR could feasibly get action in any of these sets. Or is that off base?

 

I suppose by that logic we must run a slot of 3 and 4 DE sets since Lawson, Hughes, Murphy and Johnson all saw plenty of action last year

[SirAndrew]

18 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

How often is a fourth WR personel used? More than what other personnel groupings?

 

 

Answer: Yes. More than the 5 WR personel.

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After further digging, Arizona was the highest user of the 4 WRs personnel last year at....(drumroll)... a whopping 18% of the time followed by Seattle at 10%. ?

Fair enough, but it’s not just about having four guys on the field at the same time. It’s about the rotation throughout the game. Guys come off the field during the game, and although four WR’s might not be on the field at the same time, they all

get playing time. I’m not overdramatizing the need for a fourth WR. We will be fine, but an upgrade over what we have couldn’t hurt. That’s all I’m saying. If any of our top three are out, I really don’t want to see Williams, McKenzie, or Foster play. I’d rather give a rookie a chance. 

[Motor26]

There will be one in the late 3rd or 4th that could prove to be solid. 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

So true... Zay was a beast...

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Right and since he wasn't good enough they traded him so they could bring up Duke Williams what exactly is your point? They've actively moved players around to get more production out of that WR 4 spot why wouldn't they consider getting a young rookie with a lot of potential to compete for it especially now that the roster and actives have gotten bigger.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Warcodered

[LSHMEAB]

21 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I like the way you're thinking in this post.  Problem is I'm not sure there is a DE worth taking with our second round pick,  To get a Diggs-type DE, a true first or second round guy needs to be selected; not sure they do that in a couple of weeks.

No doubt. I haven't done nearly as much of my own "scouting"(and I use that term loosely) this season, but the draft appears to be thin at DE. Seen you mention that a few times. 

 

I want Clowney to fill the gap and potentially put the D over the top, but maybe that's a pipedream.

 

DE remains my main concern, but we'll see how it all shakes out.

 

I just think we're getting a little carried away with the receiver thing because it was so AWFUL during McD's first two seasons. Not only is it not awful, it's actually now a position of strength.

 

 

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, MrSarcasm said:

So then when will this young whippersnapper start, 2 years, 3 years? Drafting a guy early so he can start in a couple years is just dumb IMHO, especially after we traded to get a stud WR because 'now is the time to be bold'/'make moves'.

 

Our current backups don't help here?

Mckendrick, Foster, Duke and Robert's have all started some and can surely fill the roll when needed to, for a few games at least.

 

First, because offense wins and last year Buffalo was forced to give snaps in a wild card playoff game to Duke Williams as he was their only guy with size.  No disrespect to him, but you don't typically find a WR3 playing in the CFL.  They need another option.  

 

Second, McKendrick?  Who is that?  It's hard to take posters seriously who can't remember the name of a guy re-signed on 3/30.  

 

Third, there were 4 guys from 2019 class who all went over 800 yards receiving as rookies:  A.J. Brown (51st), Terry McLaurin (76th), D.K. Metcalf (64th), and Deebo Samuel 36th). 

Who's saying WR's take 2-3 years before they're starting material?  Only you. 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by BillsVet

[MrSarcasm]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

First, because offense wins and last year Buffalo was forced to give snaps in a wild card playoff game to Duke Williams as he was their only guy with size.  No disrespect to him, but you don't typically find a WR3 playing in the CFL.  They need another option.  

 

Second, McKendrick?  Who is that?  It's hard to take posters seriously who can't remember the name of a guy re-signed on 3/30.  

 

Third, there were 4 guys from 2019 class who all went over 800 yards receiving as rookies:  A.J. Brown (51st), Terry McLaurin (76th), D.K. Metcalf (64th), and Deebo Samuel 36th). 

Who's saying WR's take 2-3 years before they're starting material?  Only you. 

 

 

Mckendrick is the best, all of those end arounds. Also he can play special teams. 

[hondo in seattle]

Reaching for positional need results in bad-value picks.  

 

I really hope Beane goes BPA like he says.  Given the depth of the receiver class this draft, I'd be fine if the BPA turned out to be a WR.