YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Normally I would say this is a calculated leak to drive up trade value, but this regime didn’t take Haskins and we saw what happened in Arizona last year. I still don’t see them passing on Chase Young but QBs run the draft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Doom Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I really hope this happens Also, if Detroit doesn't draft a QB for the future I would be shocked, but not totally surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Who knows what the Redskins are thinking? To me this would mean that Snyder has completely backed off from the personnel decisions in Washington, which would be a first in 20+ years. Maybe that was a stipulation Rivera had thrown into his negotiations? I think Detroit would be absolutely ecstatic if this happened and Chase Young fell into their lap. Edited March 2, 2020 by H2o 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I think it has to be real. What do they have to gain from the smokescreen? All a smokecreen does is damage their young qbs confidence and leave them at the exact pick they already had. If they trade out of the pick for someone who wants a qb, they miss out on Chase Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I think it's real. New staff plus Haskins didn't show much...Understand he was a rookie but Tua may offer more upside and much quicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 If the Skins really want Tua, they didn't have to have this thrown out there so early on in the draft process. At 2, they'll have their choice at anyone but Burrow. Ron also seems like a guy that prefers to keep things close to the vest like Sean, so I don't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 I guess it’s not the same as Arizona if they want to keep Haskins and draft Tua, but I feel like we heard that for awhile from the Cards too last year that they might keep both and then finally traded Rosen. 2nd rd pick a pretty good return actually for that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, nucci said: I think it's real. New staff plus Haskins didn't show much...Understand he was a rookie but Tua may offer more upside and much quicker It'd be interesting to see what they could get for Haskins. More than what Arizona got for Rosen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Cardinals did it with new coaching staff... and they don't seem to regret doing it. You have a shot at a QB many thought was a consensus #1 draft pick a year ago... why wouldn't you do it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, 4merper4mer said: It'd be interesting to see what they could get for Haskins. More than what Arizona got for Rosen? Doubt it. I don't see anyone ponying up a 2nd for Haskins. Maybe a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I guess it’s not the same as Arizona if they want to keep Haskins and draft Tua, but I feel like we heard that for awhile from the Cards too last year that they might keep both and then finally traded Rosen. 2nd rd pick a pretty good return actually for that guy. Yep - at the end of the day a few of the teams in need of QBs this year after the QB carousel would probably be interested. I'm sure pittsburgh would be interested if the price was right. Same with New Orleans, Vegas, LAC, or Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I hope this happens so I can laugh at the Redskins and Dolphins simultaneously. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Normally I'd say smokescreen but Snyder is nuts so who knows Edited March 2, 2020 by DJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: If the Skins really want Tua, they didn't have to have this thrown out there so early on in the draft process. At 2, they'll have their choice at anyone but Burrow. Ron also seems like a guy that prefers to keep things close to the vest like Sean, so I don't see it happening. They're in the drivers seat though - if someone wants him now they know they're going to have to pony up a ton. Just now, DJB said: Normally I'd say smokescreen but Snyder is nuts so who knows I don't think its nuts... The roster wasn't great but i didn't see Haskins do anything that really jumped out. If you think you can get a better QB prospect, you should probably do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, dneveu said: They're in the drivers seat though - if someone wants him now they know they're going to have to pony up a ton. Maybe they are after all of Miami's 1st Round picks? I don't think Flores and company take the bait though. I actually think that Miami may even try to trade back in a couple of instances to stockpile picks for next year to go all in on Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: I hope this happens so I can laugh at the Redskins and Dolphins simultaneously. It would be nice if the Fish didn’t get him not sure I want them to take Herbert either , i think he will be really good. Chargers are going to do what they have to do there though, could see a haul to Detroit and taking him at 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, H2o said: Maybe they are after all of Miami's 1st Round picks? I don't think Flores and company take the bait though. I actually think that Miami may even try to trade back in a couple of instances to stockpile picks for next year to go all in on Lawrence. All it takes is a QB on a mediocre team to go down and they can lose lawrence though. Carr gets hurt, or Mayfield, or Brissett or something. They could immediately become one of the worst teams in the league. Edited March 2, 2020 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I went to Mavericks/Wizards game. They introduced Haskins on the Jumbotron and no one clapped or cheered at all. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It would be nice if the Fish didn’t get him not sure I want them to take Herbert either , i think he will be really good. Chargers are going to do what they have to do there though, could see a haul to Detroit and taking him at 3 If Tua goes at 2, they may panic and overpay in a trade up. Chargers can only offer so much to try and get Herbert and the dolphins have a lot more draft picks. 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: I went to Mavericks/Wizards game. They introduced Haskins on the Jumbotron and no one clapped or cheered at all. I wonder if Cardale Jones would have had more cheering. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 If they didn’t have Haskins, I’d say it would be a no brainer. However, I’m also not sold on Haskins. Coaches need their QB, so I wouldn’t be totally surprised if this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: If Tua goes at 2, they may panic and overpay in a trade up. Chargers can only offer so much to try and get Herbert and the dolphins have a lot more draft picks. I wonder if Cardale Jones would have had more cheering. I could see the Chargers doing what the Jets did in 2018 and trading to 3 early on to ensure they get, at worst, the 3rd QB off the board Edited March 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 The only thing that might prevent this from happening is Chase Young. Otherwise, redskins would be stupid not to take Tua. Sucks for Haskins though. Look at Rosen. His NFL career is probably ruined because he went to a terrible situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I could see the Chargers doing what the Jets did in 2018 and trading to 3 early on to ensure they get, at worst, the 3rd QB off the board Gonna cost a lot - the option of getting chase young is pretty appetizing. Having him fall to 4 would be hilarious - considering Gettleman wanted originally to trade the pick. Jets traded #6 and 3 2nd rounders. Gotta think another 1st in 2021 and 2 2nds might get it done. Just now, BuffaloRebound said: The only thing that might prevent this from happening is Chase Young. Otherwise, redskins would be stupid not to take Tua. Sucks for Haskins though. Look at Rosen. His NFL career is probably ruined because he went to a terrible situation. If Haskins gets moved to the right team it could be good for his career. Lets be real - washington is probably the terrible situation. If pittsburgh, or NO grabbed him it will probably be a better spot for him. Give him at least a year to sit and learn from a HOFer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: Gonna cost a lot - the option of getting chase young is pretty appetizing. Having him fall to 4 would be hilarious - considering Gettleman wanted originally to trade the pick. Jets traded #6 and 3 2nd rounders. Gotta think another 1st in 2021 and 2 2nds might get it done. I personally think the Chargers are ready to give up a lot for a QB, no inside info but that seems to be the route they are going. They are in the mode of Jets/Bills of 2018. They want Herbert. Could see them making the moves to get him. If Detroit goes to 6 and Qbs go 1-3, they could still get one of Chase Young, Jeff Okudah or Isaiah Simmons AND the haul of picks. That’s tasty. Edited March 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I personally think the Chargers are ready to give up a lot for a QB, no inside info but that seems to be the route they are going. They are in the mode of Jets/Bills of 2018. They want Herbert. Could see them making the moves to get him. If Detroit goes to 6 and Qbs go 1-3, they could still get one of Chase Young, Jeff Okudah or Isaiah Simmons AND the haul of picks. That’s tasty. New empty stadium... Makes sense from a marketing perspective. They could also be going all-in on a year or 2 of brady to try and move some PSLs and season tickets. They are incredibly short on PSLs in the new stadium (https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/10/11/los-angeles-chargers-revenue-could-take-hit-from-low-psl-sales/), and it would end up hitting the owner in the wallet if he can't move them. We'll know more once FA shakes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dneveu said: New empty stadium... Makes sense from a marketing perspective. They could also be going all-in on a year or 2 of brady to try and move some PSLs and season tickets. They are incredibly short on PSLs in the new stadium (https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/10/11/los-angeles-chargers-revenue-could-take-hit-from-low-psl-sales/), and it would end up hitting the owner in the wallet if he can't move them. We'll know more once FA shakes out. I truly do not think they are going to go after Brady. The GM and HC both recently signed extensions and arent really under pressure. I really think once they moved on from Phillip they are ready for a young guy who can move and they can build their team of the future around, not a 43 year old who can’t move regardless of the success he has had. They’ve never been able to put together a decent OL for one reason or another and Brady needs one. I also don’t think they want to tie up a ton of cap space again in a QB. Edited March 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I truly do not think they are going to go after Brady. The GM and HC both recently signed extensions and arent really under pressure. I just look at it from an owners perspective. He moved the team from SD because of money - and if he doesn't get season ticket sales moving quickly he's going to lose a ton of money. The whole move to LA was short-sighted and stupid. They don't have fans there. No ones driving 3 hours in traffic to and from a chargers game - and the Rams already played there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dneveu said: I just look at it from an owners perspective. He moved the team from SD because of money - and if he doesn't get season ticket sales moving quickly he's going to lose a ton of money. The whole move to LA was short-sighted and stupid. They don't have fans there. No ones driving 3 hours in traffic to and from a chargers game - and the Rams already played there. He’s just a tenant in that stadium. Kroenke wants him to sell his share of PSLs but spanos is paying like 1 dollar to play there or something. The chargers turn their license revenue over to the Rams in the stadium deal. The money spanos is getting from TV, they don’t really care how many of their own fans show up.I don’t think the move was a good idea either but spanos is cheap. Edited March 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s just a tenant in that stadium. Kroenke wants him to sell his share of PSLs but spanos is paying like 1 dollar to play there or something. The money he is getting from TV they don’t really care how many fans show up. I don’t think the move was a good idea either but spanos is cheap. I believe they owe a certain amount of PSLs to meet the terms of that lease though - so while he doesn't need his fans there he does need to sell some people something or it comes out of his revenue share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 The Haskins play that sticks in my head is taking selfies with a fan and not being aware that there was a kneel down snap needed to win the game against the Lions...I know it doesn't seem like much but if a "Franchise" QB can't be intensely game focused for 3 and half hours on a Sunday -- what are the Redskins going to get during the week. Coach Rivera is pretty no nonsense when it comes to this stuff. I know this would cause me to have questions about Haskins and dig deep into maturity, work ethic and focus. My sense is Tua is an all-in kind of kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I could see it. If this happens this draft gets drunk pretty early. Young goes to the Lions at 3. Someone trades up in front of Miami (or Miami trades to 4) to get Herbert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I don't think Haskins would bring the Skins any more than a 2nd rounder at best. His rookie year wasn't any better than Rosen's. I think they take a 2nd & run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, dneveu said: I believe they owe a certain amount of PSLs to meet the terms of that lease though - so while he doesn't need his fans there he does need to sell some people something or it comes out of his revenue share. Kroenke might be frustrated but he has no recourse because of how the contract is written. They are only required to give whatever amount of PSL revenue they generate back to the Rams. But it is not in writing how much they need to give them or how much they need to charge. Kroenke was pissed that the chargers are charging less than they are but they said hey, we are the #2 team in town and trying to build a fan base, this is what we have to do right now. It was estimated by the NFL that they would each generate 400 mill in PSLs but that is not in writing. Kroenke is on the hook for the entire thing no matter what. Edited March 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 This seems totally realistic to me. If they think Tua could be much better than Haskins they have to take him, no matter how good Young is. It is actually the same situation as Cards / Murray / Rosen / Bosa (the difference could be that they actually keep Haskins to compete). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 How lucky would the Giants be if Chase Young fell to them at #4? Cincy takes Burrow, Washington takes Tua, someone trades up to #3 to take Herbert, and then Chase Young falls right into that idiot Gettleman's lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, H2o said: How lucky would the Giants be if Chase Young fell to them at #4? Cincy takes Burrow, Washington takes Tua, someone trades up to #3 to take Herbert, and then Chase Young falls right into that idiot Gettleman's lap. I could see this happening. As long as he goes to the nfc I’m happy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s just a tenant in that stadium. Kroenke wants him to sell his share of PSLs but spanos is paying like 1 dollar to play there or something. The chargers turn their license revenue over to the Rams in the stadium deal. The money spanos is getting from TV, they don’t really care how many of their own fans show up.I don’t think the move was a good idea either but spanos is cheap. Pretty sure Spanos is Wilson in Greek language.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Its the perfect thing to do even if you are planning to draft him at 2. "Make me change my mind. make me an offer I cant refuse." If not, they take him like they were going to anyways. Win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: I went to Mavericks/Wizards game. They introduced Haskins on the Jumbotron and no one clapped or cheered at all. I physically cringed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 In 2018, the Cardinals drafted Josh Rosen at #10. He didn't play well as a rookie. Then a new coaching staff walked in the door, with the #1 draft pick and no ties to the previous regime's Rosen selection. With a fantastic pass rusher on the board (Nick Bosa), the Cardinals still decided to take Kyler Murray instead and then trade away Rosen. In 2019, the Redskins drafted Dwayne Haskins at #15. He didn't play well as a rookie. A new coaching staff has walked in the door, with the #2 draft pick and no ties to the previous regime's Haskins selection. There is a fantastic pass rusher on the board (Chase Young).... I can't say what the Redskins are thinking. But there is precedent. And most people believe Arizona made the correct decision last year. Because of their draft position, they gain very little from a smokescreen. They can't claim interest in Tua, but then ALSO shop the pick to needy QB teams wanting to move up. Everyone knows who is going #1, so it's not like they are trying to get another prospect to fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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