Jests tried to reassign Rick Dennison to be a scout so that he would quit & they don't have to pay him

[Mr. WEO]

40 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Did you even look at who they played down the back half? They had to play the same easy teams that we beat earlier in the year. Not impressed. Got destroyed by Baltimore and lost to the hapless tanking bungles.. Beat the Bills backups by one score.....

 

I addressed that.

 

Anyway, when the Bills went 6-2 were you saying the same thing about them and their easy schedule?  Or when they lost to the lowly Browns? Or when they beat the Steelers 4th string QB by one score?

[badassgixxer05]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I addressed that.

 

Anyway, when the Bills went 6-2 were you saying the same thing about them and their easy schedule?  Or when they lost to the lowly Browns? Or when they beat the Steelers 4th string QB by one score?

Yes. And i know you were saying that for sure from any roof top you could yell from.. ?. One of the two teams ended up in the playoffs if you didn't notice. So give it up and admit we are the better team would ya.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

So “jetsy” of them .... realistically though,  Dennison should be looking into careers in insurance sales at this point. 

[wppete]

The Jets are possibly the worst franchise in the NFL behind maybe Cincinnati. What a joke the Jets are. 

[Captain Hindsight]

12 hours ago, Utah John said:

When Ralph fired Wade Phillips and tried not to pay him, that sullied the Bills' reputation for years, or decades.  The NFL is the Never-Forget League.  

 

The Pegulas are a much classier combo than Ralph (and they don't employ Lippman, hurray!) and the success of McBeane has transformed the Bill's reputation.  

 

The Jets are going to struggle to get competent coaches for years to come.  Serves them right, too.

It's probably not Gase behind this move.  It would be the GM or the owner, since Gase has been around the NFL long enough to know how bad a move this is.

To your first point yes, it makes a huge difference. I remember a presser he had where said paying coaches who don't work for you is just part of the business.

 

I'm actually quite sure Gase has a huge hand in this. Remember him posting fines on a video board? He likes to make examples of people for some strange reason and this is just his latest example

11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

2021 New York Jets Head Coach.  This will be the only man to take it.

 

Maybe Doug Marrone finally gets his dream job

[BarleyNY]

22 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

So “jetsy” of them .... realistically though,  Dennison should be looking into careers in insurance sales at this point. 

 

Since teams offset salaries of fired coaches that find new jobs, wouldn’t this just all resolve itself if Dennison found a similar job with another organization?

 

Oh, right.....

[blacklabel]

This is certainly very Jetsy. Those a-holes deserve every sh*t-show they're gonna have to deal with this season and probably in following seasons. I'm pretty sure I despise them more than ol' Timmy B and the Patsies at this point.

 

Side note: That meathead Manish is a frickin' weasel, I don't buy into a lot of what he says since he's been shown to make crap up and even create fake Twitter accounts to try to amplify his "Adam Gase has a burner Twitter account" story. What a loser. 

[Golden*Wheels]

Yeah cuz those Johnson bros are pretty hard up right now. I feel for them.

 

Jeez this is just cheapness right? I mean, coaches don't count towards the cap do they?

[Malazan]

14 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Man the Jest are a train wreck.  Not sure why anyone would work or play there.  

 

because if you're exceedingly desperate to work in the NFL then you take the job. Those who have other options in the NFL won't, but there's plenty who will take the worst HC job because it's still a HC job.

[Don Otreply]

It is always nice to see the jets being F ups ?

[123719bwiqrb]

This is kind of the reputation the Bills got in the late 90s/early 00s when Ralph stiffed Wade and Butler, right?

 

But yes, it is comforting that the Jets will have Gase f'ing things up into the 2020 season.

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I addressed that.

 

Anyway, when the Bills went 6-2 were you saying the same thing about them and their easy schedule?  Or when they lost to the lowly Browns? Or when they beat the Steelers 4th string QB by one score?

 

I belive the saying is: blow it out your azz.

Edited February 7, 2020 by ScotSHO

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

NE got annihilated by the Ravens and lost to Miami.

 

Point is that it's become automatic to knock Gase, while ignoring that he took that team from 2-6 to 6-2 in the 2 halves of the season.  

A few things here: first, the Jets were 1-7, not 6-2 in the first half. Secondly, the Bills would have annihilated them in the last game if it had mattered. The Jets were horrible in that game against our backups. Finally, their final 8 opponents were, in sequence, the Giants, the Redskins, the Raiders, the Bengals, the Dolphins (who were totally screwed by an BS overturned no-PI call that cost them the game), Baltimore, a Pittsburgh team with no offense by the end of the season, and a Bills team resting its most important starters. All of those teams were bad save for the Ravens, who destroyed them. (The Bills were bad because they were playing backups.)

Edited February 7, 2020 by dave mcbride

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Yes. And i know you were saying that for sure from any roof top you could yell from.. ?. One of the two teams ended up in the playoffs if you didn't notice. So give it up and admit we are the better team would ya.

 

Of course the Bills are a better team--they certainly have a better roster.  The fact remains that Gase turned things around in the second half and won 6 games playing who was in front of him.

 

This isn't as hard as you are making it.

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Of course the Bills are a better team--they certainly have a better roster.  The fact remains that Gase turned things around in the second half and won 6 games playing who was in front of him.

 

This isn't as hard as you are making it.

 

Let's wait and see what kind of team Gase fields next year.

 

That's the question.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

A few things here: first, the Jets were 1-7, not 6-2 in the first half. Secondly, the Bills would have annihilated them in the last game if it had mattered. The Jets were horrible in that game against our backups. Finally, their final 8 opponents were, in sequence, the Giants, the Redskins, the Raiders, the Bengals, the Dolphins (who were totally screwed by an BS overturned no-PI call that cost them the game), Baltimore, a Pittsburgh team with no offense by the end of the season, and a Bills team resting its most important starters. All of those teams were bad save for the Ravens, who destroyed them. (The Bills were bad because they were playing backups.)

 

I didn't say they were 6-2 in the first half.  But yes, 1-7, losing to NE, the Browns and the Eagles--all teams that beat the Bills as well.

 

Yes, they Bills likely would have won with their starters. 

 

On the Bills 6-2 run at the beginning of the season, they also played the Giants.  And the Redskins. And the Dolphins. And the Bengals.   Throw in the toothless Titans....and the Jets.  

 

In the second half of the season, the Bills would also lose to the Ravens.  And beat those same no offense Steelers.

4 hours ago, wppete said:

The Jets are possibly the worst franchise in the NFL behind maybe Cincinnati. What a joke the Jets are. 

 

Redskins....

[badassgixxer05]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Of course the Bills are a better team--they certainly have a better roster.  The fact remains that Gase turned things around in the second half and won 6 games playing who was in front of him.

 

This isn't as hard as you are making it.

Will see next year if it was scheduling or coaching for both the Jets and the Bills.

[dave mcbride]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I didn't say they were 6-2 in the first half.  But yes, 1-7, losing to NE, the Browns and the Eagles--all teams that beat the Bills as well.

 

Yes, they Bills likely would have won with their starters. 

 

On the Bills 6-2 run at the beginning of the season, they also played the Giants.  And the Redskins. And the Dolphins. And the Bengals.   Throw in the toothless Titans....and the Jets.  

 

In the second half of the season, the Bills would also lose to the Ravens.  And beat those same no offense Steelers.

 

Redskins....

The thing is, I never compared them to the Bills! That's a complete red herring. The Jets were not good. That is all I am saying. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The thing is, I never compared them to the Bills! That's a complete red herring. The Jets were not good. That is all I am saying. 

 

I was comparing the quality of opponent.  Not different really. 

 

They aren't good---I agree.  But as fun as it is to dump on Gase.  They went from 1-7 to 6-2.  That's not insignificant.  If McD had the same start and finish against the same opponents with that roster, we would all be talking about what an amazing job he did righting the ship.

Edited February 7, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

I was comparing the quality of opponent.  Not different really. 

 

They aren't good---I agree.  But as fun as it is to dump on Gase.  They went from 1-7 to 6-2.  That's not insignificant.  If McD had the same start and finish against the same roster and schedule, we would all be talking about what an amazing job he did righting the ship with a crappy roster.

6-2 is better than 1-7 -- no doubt. That said, the record is deceiving. They feasted on bad teams. Next year, just like the Bills they're going to have to face the AFC West and NFC West. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, ScotSHO said:

This is kind of the reputation the Bills got in the late 90s/early 00s when Ralph stiffed Wade and Butler, right?

 

But yes, it is comforting that the Jets will have Gase f'ing things up into the 2020 season.

 

I belive the saying is: blow it out your azz.

 

I bet we can look forward to 219 more such well crafted posts over the next few years...

 

Keep "belive"-ing!

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

6-2 is better than 1-7 -- no doubt. That said, the record is deceiving. They feasted on bad teams. Next year, just like the Bills they're going to have to face the AFC West and NFC West. 

 

I agree.  But really bad teams lose to the good and the bad teams.  The Bills feasted on the same teams.

 

Next year, we shall see.

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I agree.  But really bad teams lose to the good and the bad teams.  The Bills feasted on the same teams.

 

Next year, we shall see.

I'm worried about next year, we couldn't beat the good teams and the offense needs to get dramatically better for us to beat them. 

[badassgixxer05]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I'm worried about next year, we couldn't beat the good teams and the offense needs to get dramatically better for us to beat them. 

We were one score away, in all of them except 1. Closer then you think.

[Reed83HOF]

24 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

We were one score away, in all of them except 1. Closer then you think.

Jesus, this is the same thing as if we kicked an extra FG or scored the TD instead of an FG in the Juaron ball days

 

Our offense is easy to defend, we have no players that require double teams or that will require game planning to draw extra coverage towards our average/below average talent. We need 1 great WR, an upgrade over Kroft/Simth at TE, another RB and we need to replace 2-3 other WRs (Foster, Duke, Easley, Ray Ray). We could use another RT as well.

 

Edit: We have the cap space to add of these positions and make a splash in the draft for one of the best WRs

Edited February 7, 2020 by Reed83HOF

[badassgixxer05]

9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Jesus, this is the same thing as if we kicked an extra FG or scored the TD instead of an FG in the Juaron ball days

 

Our offense is easy to defend, we have no players that require double teams or that will require game planning to draw extra coverage towards our average/below average talent. We need 1 great WR, an upgrade over Kroft/Simth at TE, another RB and we need to replace 2-3 other WRs (Foster, Duke, Easley, Ray Ray). We could use another RT as well.

 

Edit: We have the cap space to add of these positions and make a splash in the draft for one of the best WRs

Not really. We made the playoffs this time around and went 10-6 after resting starters for a throw away game(juaron was forever 7-9). We def need play makers, but its not like we need to rework the whole offense. Josh is expected to take another leap here in year 3 and I think with a new piece or two put in place this O can be really really good.

[Reed83HOF]

11 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Not really. We made the playoffs this time around and went 10-6 after resting starters for a throw away game(juaron was forever 7-9). We def need play makers, but its not like we need to rework the whole offense. Josh is expected to take another leap here in year 3 and I think with a new piece or two put in place this O can be really really good.

 

What were the records of the teams we beat vs the teams we lost to? How did we fair against the playoff teams? The offense is very easy to defend. Don't cloud your judgment on a cake walk schedule

 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

6-2 is better than 1-7 -- no doubt. That said, the record is deceiving. They feasted on bad teams. Next year, just like the Bills they're going to have to face the AFC West and NFC West. 

 

Not taking a side, but serious question: how many games did Darnold miss with mono? Was it five??? I really don’t recall. 

 

I’m afraid the Jets will improve as Darnold progresses, and I’m afraid of the Dolphins getting a great QB and turning into a quality team with all those stinkin’ draft picks. BUT, as long as the Patriots* come in DEAD LAST in the AFCE, I’ll consider it an enjoyable year! At least in one respect.....GO BILLS! 

 

 

Also, the strong finish was aided because we played backups - and still almost beat them. 

 

IF they are really doing Dennison dirty like this, it reduces my fear that the Jets will get to the top of the division. Quality coaches and scouts want no part of crap like that. 

 

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Edited February 7, 2020 by Augie

[Augie]

8 hours ago, HOUSE said:

That type of nonesense gets around the league pretty fast, next thing you know top coaches won't go there, what goes around comes around

 

THAT is my favorite part of this! 

[Augie]

23 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’d be disappointed if the Patriots suck and we can’t take advantage and some other team wins the division. 

 

That is my PLAN (and expectation, actually), but that post was more about my FEARS! 

 

 

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Edited February 7, 2020 by Augie

[stuvian]

Big Market Small Mind

[Lurker]

"We want the pumpkin!"

[badassgixxer05]

On 2/7/2020 at 3:49 PM, Reed83HOF said:

 

What were the records of the teams we beat vs the teams we lost to? How did we fair against the playoff teams? The offense is very easy to defend. Don't cloud your judgment on a cake walk schedule

 

We lost by at most 1 score, to all the playoff teams. Id say thats pretty close. You are going to be surprised this year when the offense takes that next leap. Remember this post.

[CNYfan]

The Bills have lost 4 of their last 5 games.

[H2o]

3 hours ago, CNYfan said:

The Bills have lost 4 of their last 5 games.

Let's hope that doesn't carry over into the Preseason 

[Don Otreply]

On 2/7/2020 at 2:56 PM, Reed83HOF said:

I'm worried about next year, we couldn't beat the good teams and the offense needs to get dramatically better for us to beat them. 

This is true ^^^ 

It is everyone’s hope Beane and his crew kick some asz in FA & the draft, that and Josh cleans his game up a lot, oh and our pass catchers stop dropping the ball at crucial moments in games, jmo.?

 

Go Bills!!!

[Punching Bag]

On 2/6/2020 at 8:44 PM, Utah John said:

When Ralph fired Wade Phillips and tried not to pay him, that sullied the Bills' reputation for years, or decades.  The NFL is the Never-Forget League.  

 

The Pegulas are a much classier combo than Ralph (and they don't employ Lippman, hurray!) and the success of McBeane has transformed the Bill's reputation.  

 

Bills still employ Jim Overdorf who is also incompetent.  He is one who who crafted deals without "reach backs" on bonuses for players who are suspended.

[Punching Bag]

On 2/6/2020 at 10:08 PM, John from Riverside said:

Every off season we have to hear why the jets will be better then the bills the next year.

 

I wonder if that stops this year

 

Not if you put certain posters on ignore.  Too bad it does not work when such posters are quoted.