The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[RoyBatty is alive]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

You should pay for it because a higher educated populace results in a stronger workforce, which results in a higher GDP which results in a higher quality of life for you, your family, your neighbors and your country. It also can result in a more socially and civically conscious electorate which makes our quality of life better in a ton of different ways. In the end it's an investment in our community that pays handsome returns.

 

I also didn't have anyone pay a cent of my over 6 figures in student loans, and I don't need or want the student loan reform to benefit me personally.

 

Sorry but you live in some idealized fantasy world, not everyone can and or should go to college, some people dont care enough or arent smart enough, sorry , I know it is a bummer but a fact.  Some of todays majors like "lesbian dance theory" are not making the world a better more enlightened place nor can many of these graduates get jobs in lesbian dance theory.  How many 26 year olds that smoked dope all the way through getting a major in "film classics" are bartenders living with their parents saddled with debt......., a lot.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Computer Science, so yea. 

 

 

Riiiight.

 

You're about as analytical as a barnacle.

 

[Commsvet11]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You aren't half the enigma you appear to be, kid. I see your mouth-breathing, low IQ MAGA clones everywhere I go these days. 

Computer Science, so yea. 

Can any individual complete a computer science degree or are there those that just can’t grasp concepts? 

[B-Man]

Back on the thread........

 

 

 

 

 

[RaoulDuke79]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Computer Science, so yea. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

9 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Nothing in life is free bud.

 

Not true just ask Eliz Warren,  AOC or Bernie, it should all be free.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, Commsvet11 said:

Can any individual complete a computer science degree or are there those that just can’t grasp concepts? 

There's a role in STEM fields for most people that are looking at higher education. For others, vocational training probably makes a lot of sense. and I also think those should be included as part of the definition of higher education. Academia also has a place, but should be more of a conscious choice than the default it is today.

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Not true just ask Eliz Warren,  AOC or Bernie, it should all be free.

Free at time of use, but that's a multi-step thought process. i get the difficulty.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Keeping you and yours in my thoughts, BBF.  

 

(as well as everyone down here who's fighting through this thing)

#InItTogether

 

Always BBF. Always InItTogether.  Thanks buddy and everyone.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

There's a role in STEM fields for most people that are looking at higher education. For others, vocational training probably makes a lot of sense. and I also think those should be included as part of the definition of higher education. Academia also has a place, but should be more of a conscious choice than the default it is today.

 

 

Ok now we are starting to agree, you have gone along way from free higher education to everyone to now STEM and vocational training for a lot of others.

Edited April 10, 2020 by RoyBatty is alive

[Boatdrinks]

17 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Nothing in life is free bud.

Yep. Tuition- Free is lib code for “ someone else pays for me” 

[BullBuchanan]

10 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Ok now we are starting to agree, you have gone along way from free higher education to everyone to now STEM and vocational training for a lot of others.

I think that's tied to college funding reform - a separate but related issue in my book. Generally speaking, I think the overwhelming majority of degrees should be directly actionable from a career standpoint with enough exposure to related disciplines to enhance one's employability.

Edited April 10, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[RoyBatty is alive]

32 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

I'm commenting not on letting people parade in cars, which is trivial, but on the tracking that the Surgeon General mentioned and the Birx hinted at too.  

 

Both are scary as hell.

 

Tracking people electronically, wow.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Tracking people electronically, wow.

But but #rightwingconspiracynuts

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I think that's tied to college funding reform - a separate but related issue in my book. Generally speaking, I think the overwhelming majority of degrees should be directly actionable from a career standpoint with enough exposure to related disciplines to enhance one's employability.

 

College reform, the entire system is imo, a borderline scam.  Raising tuition rates for years unabated.  Joke. Too long to even get into.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

College reform, the entire system is imo, a borderline scam.  Raising tuition rates for years unabated.  Joke. Too long to even get into.

 

Never mind that it was student loans that made college so costly in the first place.

 

Anything the government touches turns to cancer.

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Never mind that it was student loans that made college so costly in the first place.

 

Anything the government touches turns to cancer.

 

 

 

Yeah it really spiraled out of control when the government took control in 2010.   Go to 1.35 of these clip, pathetic

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

12 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

College reform, the entire system is imo, a borderline scam.  Raising tuition rates for years unabated.  Joke. Too long to even get into.

Agreed.

 

12 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Never mind that it was student loans that made college so costly in the first place.

 

Anything the government touches turns to cancer.

 

Completely disagreed, as usual. Federal Government loans are quite easy to work with, generally have fairly low interest rates, and provide a number of programs for people struggling to pay them back.

Privatized student loans however, like those offered by Sallie Mae (Now Navient), are nothing short of loan-sharking. You get the minimum amount of support offered by law, and they work with the universities to get 18 year olds to sign up for unfavorable terms with fine print that allows them to essentially enslave the borrower. The University-Loan Company relationship is very much like the Hospital-Insurance company one where they both profit by financially destroying their customers.

[Buffalo_Gal]

If you guys need a mask...
 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

CLEVELAND (WJW) – The impact of COVID-19 on the lungs has been well documented, but local doctors say they are seeing increasing impacts of the virus on the heart.

Doctors say people with underlying conditions, including heart disease and hypertension are at a higher risk of death.

“If you have heart disease, you’re no more likely to get it, but you have a great stake in preventing yourself from getting it,” said Cleveland Clinic heart surgeon Dr. Marc Gillinov. “If your heart is already weakened by heart disease and you get COVID-19 and it affects the heart, that’s a dire situation.”

Dr. Mehdi Shishehbor, Director of the University Hospitals Cardiovascular Interventional Center, has treated coronavirus patients and said about one in five experience cardiovascular impacts.

“If COVID affects the heart, we really need to be very careful with those patients, and they need to be monitored very carefully because of the risk of death,” Shishehbor said.

He said the virus can lead to heart attack or inflammation called myocarditis, and it can stress the heart.

Shishehbor said underlying cardiovascular disease increases the risk of death from coronavirus by two to three times, and if patients have markers that the virus has damaged the heart, the risk of death increases by seven to eight times.

He said some patients with cardiovascular issues resulting from the virus have not shown other common symptoms.

 

“What’s been very surprising is that there is a group of patients who actually present with heart symptoms and no fever or cough or respiratory symptoms,” Shishehbor said.

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/local-doctors-say-they-are-seeing-increasing-impact-of-covid-19-on-the-heart/

[Buffalo_Gal]

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

[whatdrought]

54 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

So you think the abortion clinics should be allowed to be open? 

Nope. But that has nothing to do with the virus. 
 

Constitutional rights (actual ones, not those imagined and made up by the Supreme Court unilaterally) cannot be violated by the Government and the governmental actors because the government is not above the constitution. The constitution is above the government. It is the highest authority in this land. 

[dpberr]

40 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Back on the thread........

 

 

 

 

  I'd bet you that every single pandemic that has started in China in the last decade has originated from that lab. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

Cassandra has just been disconnected from the ecmo machine. She is breathing and circulating the oxygen through her body on her own now. She is still going to be unconscious for a few days, but it is getting better.

 

My sister posted again. Just wondering if they do work on to figure what type of virus by blood or something if not covid19.   Sorry everyone if I said off ECMO get different things (maybe looks like now possibly for good) Wish I could go see her. 

 

My mother not the best shape and my brother as well. Usly have to take by phone or facebook to understand.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Cassandra has just been disconnected from the ecmo machine. She is breathing and circulating the oxygen through her body on her own now. She is still going to be unconscious for a few days, but it is getting better.

 

My sister posted again. Just wondering if they do work on to figure what type of virus by blood or something if not covid19.   Sorry everyone if I said off ECMO get different things (maybe looks like now possibly for good) Wish I could go see her. 

 

My mother not the best shape and my brother as well. Usly have to take by phone or facebook to understand.

 

Great news so far on Cassandra, good luck with you mother and brother

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

22 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Great news so far on Cassandra, good luck with you mother and brother

 

Thanks very much buddy.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

There's a reason it's called the Trump Virus and not the Cuomo Virus.

If Trump hadn't refused to give NY the life-saving supplies it needed, a lot of those people would probably be alive instead of in a mass-grave.

 

Rightists are nothing if not ignorant.

 

The entire world knows what you posted is a bunch of crap, which makes you quite possibly the dumbest muther[hucker to post on this site.

 

And if you've ever read ANYTHING from Tibs, Qtip or Gary, you know what an astronomical feat that is.

 

Well done. Just when I through you nutbags couldn't melt down any more, you go full Biden.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[keepthefaith]

34 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I gonna sort of defend Acosta.  We are very short on tests and on PPE.  However, tests had to be developed and PPE gear is being consumed at the highest rate ever so these are supply constraints.  The supply is rising fast but we started at zero on tests.  Trump could have spoken to that better. 

[3rdnlng]

47 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

If you guys need a mask...
 

 

Sure Gal, he pretends to be offended by having a used jock strap in his face by saying 'ewww" or would he just rather have what's behind the curtain and say "yummy"? 

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Well, I gonna sort of defend Acosta.  We are very short on tests and on PPE.  However, tests had to be developed and PPE gear is being consumed at the highest rate ever so these are supply constraints.  The supply is rising fast but we started at zero on tests.  Trump could have spoken to that better. 

There’s no defense for Acosta. He’s purposely giving crap to the President and has been for three years. He is pure garbage!

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

Nope. But that has nothing to do with the virus. 
 

Constitutional rights (actual ones, not those imagined and made up by the Supreme Court unilaterally) cannot be violated by the Government and the governmental actors because the government is not above the constitution. The constitution is above the government. It is the highest authority in this land. 

The Trump appointee, the conservative 5th Circuit, and the Texas Governor don’t agree with that extreme position. Times of war and times of national pandemic have allowed for suspension of certain constitutional rights. Historical fact. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Sundancer

[Boatdrinks]

10 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

The Trump appointee, the conservative 5th Circuit, and the Texas Governor don’t agree with that extreme position. Times of war and times of national pandemic have allowed for suspension of certain constitutional rights. Historical fact. 

The suspension of rights is the extreme position here, not the OPs. 

[FreddieJizzle22]

Hopefully somebody told Trump later today that antibiotics will not help solve this virus.  Yikes.  

[whatdrought]

26 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

The Trump appointee, the conservative 5th Circuit, and the Texas Governor don’t agree with that extreme position. Times of war and times of national pandemic have allowed for suspension of certain constitutional rights. Historical fact. 

I don’t give a rats ass what they believe. The constitution is the authority structure of the United States. If the government can change or ignore it under any circumstances, it’s worthless and we have no rule of law. It was wrong when it was blacks being enslaved, it was wrong when it was Japanese being interned, and it’s wrong when it’s done in the name of “public safety.” Anything that violates/changes/ignores the constitution without following the stringent rules set forth in the constitution to do so is wrong and illegal. Doesn’t matter which administration does it, or which government branch signs off on it. 
 

Also, saying that the constitution, the founding document from which our entire government springs forth is the ultimate authority is not an extreme position. It’s logical, and it’s true.

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

Nope. But that has nothing to do with the virus. 
 

Constitutional rights (actual ones, not those imagined and made up by the Supreme Court unilaterally) cannot be violated by the Government and the governmental actors because the government is not above the constitution. The constitution is above the government. It is the highest authority in this land. 

Are you obeying the prohibition against your right to assemble in your state?

[whatdrought]

Just now, shoshin said:

Are you obeying the prohibition against your right to assemble in your state?

Only to the extent that the typical assemblies I would be involved in are canceled. Aside from that I’m going about my life as normal. 
 

But your what-about-ism is a non-starter. How I live and choose to rebel/not rebel doesn’t not have any impact on the legal right of the constitution, not the government, to determine what rights are sacred. 
 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[fansince88]

18 minutes ago, FreddieJizzle22 said:

Hopefully somebody told Trump later today that antibiotics will not help solve this virus.  Yikes.  

How many screen names does Tibs have?

[shoshin]

7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Only to the extent that the typical assemblies I would be involved in are canceled. Aside from that I’m going about my life as normal. 
 

But your what-about-ism is a non-starter. How I live and choose to rebel/not rebel doesn’t not have any impact on the legal right of the constitution, not the government, to determine what rights are sacred. 
 

 

The State governments are currently prohibiting most Americans’ rights to assemble, including yours because not all the rights in the Constitution always peaceably coexist. 
 

You have the right to assemble but not if it is a danger to others. Same with the right to free speech (the proverbial yelling “fire” in a movie theater). Same likely with the unwritten right to privacy invoked by the anti-tracking people against tracing contacts of people infected with Covid 19. When your “rights” endanger others, they are not untethered. 

[TPS]

On 4/9/2020 at 2:56 PM, Magox said:

 

It is relevant but you are right that there are countries on different curves.  So those numbers will continue to adjust.

 

In regards to Trump's words, they were not helpful.  But there was a major difference between his words and the government's actions.   Behind the scenes they were doing things, the China travel ban for some reason is dismissed by a lot of you folks as if it was meaningless.  They created this task force in January.  If we are going to be reasonable about this, I think it was everyone's hopes that there weren't going to be hardly any community spread infections and if so that the hopes that there would be some successful contact tracing.

 

The reality is that when we first heard about it in Washington, the fact of the matter was that it was already deep in the U.S at that time.  That Washington case was just the canary in the coal mine.  And if you listen to what Dr. Birx says, she explicitly makes the case that the reason why the U.S response was slow was because:

 

 

 

If you take Dr. Birx word at it's face, then I think reasonable people can agree that the U.S's efforts were greatly hampered by the lack of transparency and honesty from China.

The death rate per million is very relevant, but the comparison you were trying to make was not correct.

You came into this thread a little later than some, so if you look back at my posts, I always acknowledged that the China ban was a good move, however, they squandered the advantage it gave them by thoroughly screwing up getting the testing up to a rapid scale.

This summarizes it: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/coronavirus-testing-cdc-fda-red-tape-invs/index.html

 

As for underestimating the impact, the security briefings in January and February are well known now, as is the fact that some of our eminent congress critters used the inside info to sell and or buy stock.  In addition, there were very early estimates of the contagion factor that showed it was very contagious. Even some early study's by American researchers: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1

 

 It's pretty clear the Administration is doing damage control...and looking to blame anyone but themselves...