The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Foxx]

12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'm not ignoring your other post, but I will only minimally respond to it because frankly, despite what you seem to believe, I am generally using this time to step away from the Internet and TBD in general to do other more productive things.

 

Your question to me is a trap based on a false premise... actually a fallacy commonly used here in PPP. That's why I won't engage you thoroughly. But I will respond so you at least understand why I often just don't respond to posters.

 

Even if you still think I'm an idiot or a jerk, at least it might help you understand me a bit more.

 

I trust journalists more than I trust random Twitter guy. I'm not saying they're never wrong, but knowing a couple journalists as you do, I view the safeguard of journalistic "sourcing" as more credible than random Twitter guy who says whatever he wants and has no guardrails.

 

Inevitability someone here (I have a good idea on who those posters will be) will cherry pick certain stories by certified journalists from mainstream media as proof they're not to be trusted. Arguing with someone latching on to those cherry picked stories that end up being a very tiny percent of the slew of other true, well-sourced stories is pretty clearly a tried and true strategy on this forum, but in the end it really just becomes a straw man argument. 

 

The straw man fallacy actually seems to be the go-to over here. And it's the weasley way out of a discussion. And it's why I generally avoid prolonged discussion in this forum and why I am not directly answering your post, even though I just basically did, at least indirectly.

here's the thing with the main stream media, trans. they no longer exist to report just the news in an unbiased way. they exist to steer public perceptions. you might say that that is paranoid conspiracy theory nonsense. consider that, all of the main stream propaganda is owned by just six companies. also consider that it is not too hard to see when you have the same daily talking point(s) being echoed across all of them. or is it merely coincidence that CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, The Atlantic, Daily Kos,  etc, all use the same verbiage.

 

another poster pointed out that local news is more unbiased in their reporting. i agree with that to an extent. that being that, yes when local stories are being reported on, they have a much better shot at being free from the desired national narrative. however, when local reporting on national news stories is done, they also contain desired narrative pushes because after all, these local stations are also owned under that 6 corporation umbrella. there are countless videos out there that point out the same daily keywords being used in the local markets or any particular day.

 

the farther away you get from the establishment, the closer you are going to get to what journalism was originally intended to be. with that said, in this world where it seems our overlords are creaming their pants with delight over just how well their divide and conquer plans are working, finding news without a slant or hidden objective is just about downright impossible. because we cannot exist without news of some sort, we have to find it where we may and it is for that reason that we must hone our discernment skills and be able to sift the proverbial wheat from the chaff.

 

what is important is that we have real discussions outside of the propagandists parapet. what you have engaged with @leh-nerd skin-erd in is how we get away from their plans. complaining about this persons source or that persons source while defending your own may have some merit, but it ultimately serves no real purpose. as it always has and always should, logic and reason are what is going to rule the day. learning to think for oneself can not be overstated. learning what an article really says and not taking the sound bite headline as it's substance can not be overstated. seeing the narratives within an article cannot be overstated. critical thinking skills help seeing through the propaganda. questioning just about everything in this world they have constructed is not a bad way to go. however the fine line is not questioning to the point that your brian falls out along the way.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Foxx

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

Heartbreaking

 

 

perhaps it is just me here. not saying the video is fake, haven't had time to look into it but just from watching it, somethings just seem off.

[IDBillzFan]

9 minutes ago, Foxx said:

perhaps it is just me here. not saying the video is fake, haven't had time to look into it but just from watching it, somethings just seem off.

 

My understanding is that everyone who dies of Covid is cremated. So the coffin thing is the first thing I question. But 7,000 are dead in NY, so who knows. 

[billsfan1959]

14 minutes ago, Foxx said:

perhaps it is just me here. not saying the video is fake, haven't had time to look into it but just from watching it, somethings just seem off.

 

The city of New York has shortened the time they hold unclaimed remains. If they are not claimed in 14 days, they are buried in the city's public cemetery

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/virus-kills-nyc-shortens-deadline-claiming-dead-70072042

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by billsfan1959

[GG]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

The city of New York has shortened the time they hold unclaimed remains. If they are not claimed in 14 days, they are buried in the city's public cemetery

 

That's exactly what is happening.  There's also a huge backlog at the funeral homes & cemeteries, with next available slots running into May.

 

The video is real.

[Warren Zevon]

4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

My understanding is that everyone who dies of Covid is cremated.

 

This is incorrect.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

12 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'm not ignoring your other post, but I will only minimally respond to it because frankly, despite what you seem to believe, I am generally using this time to step away from the Internet and TBD in general to do other more productive things.

 

Your question to me is a trap based on a false premise... actually a fallacy commonly used here in PPP. That's why I won't engage you thoroughly. But I will respond so you at least understand why I often just don't respond to posters.

 

Even if you still think I'm an idiot or a jerk, at least it might help you understand me a bit more.

 

I trust journalists more than I trust random Twitter guy. I'm not saying they're never wrong, but knowing a couple journalists as you do, I view the safeguard of journalistic "sourcing" as more credible than random Twitter guy who says whatever he wants and has no guardrails.

 

Inevitability someone here (I have a good idea on who those posters will be) will cherry pick certain stories by certified journalists from mainstream media as proof they're not to be trusted. Arguing with someone latching on to those cherry picked stories that end up being a very tiny percent of the slew of other true, well-sourced stories is pretty clearly a tried and true strategy on this forum, but in the end it really just becomes a straw man argument. 

 

The straw man fallacy actually seems to be the go-to over here. And it's the weasley way out of a discussion. And it's why I generally avoid prolonged discussion in this forum and why I am not directly answering your post, even though I just basically did, at least indirectly.

I have been laughing about this reply on and off for about 8 hours now.  You give me far too much credit for attempting to set a trap for you, I had typed a reply last night and somehow swiped the wrong way on my ipad and lost it.  I'm really not all that complicated.  

 

With due respect, the 'straw man' reply is overused and I reject it's application here.  We learn and grow by being open-minded.  I acknowledge fully that I disagree with you on many issues, and that my opinion is unlikely to change based on your feedback.  However, you posted the article, you put it out there as a hammer to the sensibility of Trump supporters,  you indicated that the three news outlets reported it, and my impression was that you viewed it as follows:   "One news outlet reporting it's ok to be skeptical, two gives the story credibility, but three is a slam dunk!".  My point is that history shows us that media sources uses circular sourcing, reporting what another outlet published, and more recently, hiding behind the tag line "....which we have not independently verified".  Let's go with the Covington Catholic story as an example.  There are others more relevant to Russia, but I think we can agree on a rush to judgement, a narrative that was concocted by media sources that had no basis in fact.  

 

I don't think I denigrated your argument, I'll have to check.  I simply asked the questions to try and understand that which to me is virtually impossible to understand. 

 

This is one of the biggest stories in the history of our nation:  A president accused of treasonous activity and an attempt to remove him from office.  I assume we can agree on that?  

 

So...How did the major media outlets so misread the Russia investigation, how did they misread the tea leaves, how did their sources fail them so badly, and how did they miss the malfeasance at the FISA court level and  upper echelon of the FBI?  I know how I square it, I'm just wondering how you saw it?  Was it incompetence, intentional or something else? 

 

As a gesture of good faith, I'll even share my reply to your reply in advance:

 

Whatchootalkingbout Willis? 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, GG said:

 

That's exactly what is happening.  There's also a huge backlog at the funeral homes & cemeteries, with next available slots running into May.

 

The video is real.

 

Right the video is real. However, those are unclaimed bodies. They are being buried the same way New York buries unclaimed bodies every week of the year. 

 

Not diminishing the deaths from COVID-19. Just putting the video in perspective

[GG]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right the video is real. However, those are unclaimed bodies. They are being buried the same way New York buries unclaimed bodies every week of the year. 

 

Not diminishing the deaths from COVID-19. Just putting the video in perspective

 

Correct.  The downside of being very poor and dying from this thing.   There's not much that a family can do, because the funeral homes don't have the capacity to quickly intern the dead, so the bodies are unclaimed and buried in Potters Field.

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right the video is real. However, those are unclaimed bodies. They are being buried the same way New York buries unclaimed bodies every week of the year. 

 

Not diminishing the deaths from COVID-19. Just putting the video in perspective

 

The saddest thing I have read today about this is some of the unclaimed are spouses with only one other living relative who also happens to be hospitalized for Covid so they are unable to claim the body

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Correct.  The downside of being very poor and dying from this thing.   There's not much that a family can do, because the funeral homes don't have the capacity to quickly intern the dead, so the bodies are unclaimed and buried in Potters Field.

 

Are they not cremating the Covid deaths? 

[GG]

4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Are they not cremating the Covid deaths? 

 

No.  The NYC crematoriums are backed up more than the funeral homes and cemeteries.

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

God people love to exaggerate and make wild claims.

 

Video may be real may even be in NY and may be current but that implications of it are laughable, so many dying of CV-19 we are now using mass graves   of MY GOD!!!!!.

 

Roughly 7,000 people die every day in NYC, I dont think that adding in 850? on top of that would so overwhelm the system.

 

On top of that the number of "cv-19 deaths" is way over exaggerated.

 

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/cdc-admits-to-lying-about-covid-death-totals/

 

If you die of anything right now and if you are  confirmed of "presumed" CDC (actual wording) then it goes down as a CV-19 death.  So if you die of a heart attack and the whoever fills out the death certificate even suspects you might have CV-19 then it is a CV-19 death.

 

[shoshin]

6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Are they not cremating the Covid deaths? 

 

Some people don't believe in it and/or don't want that. One of my parents is dead set against cremation. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

No.  The NYC crematoriums are backed up more than the funeral homes and cemeteries.

 

 

REALLY, so the area is so overwhelmed with CV-19 deaths they are backed up wit dead bodies?   Does the fact that a lot of grave yards and crematoriums arent running at 1--% of capacity with this shutdown?

[B-Man]

New York City will bury unclaimed bodies on a remote island after 14 days because
coronavirus deaths are overwhelming morgues

Business Insider, by Dave Mosher

Original Article

 

 

As coronavirus infections peak in New York City, its morgues are quickly running out of room, exceeding their already vastly expanded capacity. The city’s Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) quietly posted a significant but subtle policy change to its website: Instead of holding some bodies in refrigerated city storage for 30 days until they are claimed by families, the city will now hold them for less than half that time. On Thursday, OCME’s site said decedents who are not claimed by a funeral home within two weeks would be sent to the Bronx’s Hart Island

 

 

 

 

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/gitoma1/status/1248227173288337410

 

https://twitter.com/RTaylorUK/status/1248212344871817221

 

[shoshin]

9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

God people love to exaggerate and make wild claims.

 

Video may be real may even be in NY and may be current but that implications of it are laughable, so many dying of CV-19 we are now using mass graves   of MY GOD!!!!!.

 

Roughly 7,000 people die every day in NYC, I dont think that adding in 850? on top of that would so overwhelm the system.

 

145 people die on average every day in NYC pre-coronavirus. Your 7,000 stat is not even close to accurate. If you don't believe the Washington Examiner story, here is the underlying data. 

 

Yesterday 518 people died of coronavirus in NYC. 

 

No matter what point you're making below about over counting (and it runs counter to many reports of undercounting), deaths are running 3+ times normal. There is no system built to deal with that. 

 

You sound like the guy who is skeptical because he hasn't seen videos of hospitals overflowing and Americans dying in hallways on Twitter. This is real. 

 

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On top of that the number of "cv-19 deaths" is way over exaggerated.

 

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/cdc-admits-to-lying-about-covid-death-totals/

 

If you die of anything right now and if you are  confirmed of "presumed" CDC (actual wording) then it goes down as a CV-19 death.  So if you die of a heart attack and the whoever fills out the death certificate even suspects you might have CV-19 then it is a CV-19 death.

 

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by shoshin

[Nanker]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

No.  The NYC crematoriums are backed up more than the funeral homes and cemeteries.

 

Hart island cemetery in the Bronx.

 

[GG]

4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

God people love to exaggerate and make wild claims.

 

Video may be real may even be in NY and may be current but that implications of it are laughable, so many dying of CV-19 we are now using mass graves   of MY GOD!!!!!.

 

Roughly 7,000 people die every day in NYC, I dont think that adding in 850? on top of that would so overwhelm the system.

 

On top of that the number of "cv-19 deaths" is way over exaggerated.

 

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/cdc-admits-to-lying-about-covid-death-totals/

 

If you die of anything right now and if you are  confirmed of "presumed" CDC (actual wording) then it goes down as a CV-19 death.  So if you die of a heart attack and the whoever fills out the death certificate even suspects you might have CV-19 then it is a CV-19 death.

 

 

Listen ***** stick, if 7K died every day in NYC, there would be 2.5 million dead every year, and NYC would cease to exist within 5 years.   

 

On any given normal day, 145-150 die in NYC.  That's the expected capacity of the morgues, funeral homes and cemeteries.  

 

Why are you bothering to argue stupid statistics, when the one thing you can't fake are real deaths, which are running 4 times normal rates in the tri-state area.  I get it, you are lucky to live in an area that hasn't been affected.  But ***** you for minimizing the pain that people are going through in the 5 boroughs.

[Buffalo_Gal]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

God people love to exaggerate and make wild claims.

 

Video may be real may even be in NY and may be current but that implications of it are laughable, so many dying of CV-19 we are now using mass graves   of MY GOD!!!!!.

 

Roughly 7,000 people die every day in NYC, I dont think that adding in 850? on top of that would so overwhelm the system.

 

On top of that the number of "cv-19 deaths" is way over exaggerated.

 

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/cdc-admits-to-lying-about-covid-death-totals/

 

If you die of anything right now and if you are  confirmed of "presumed" CDC (actual wording) then it goes down as a CV-19 death.  So if you die of a heart attack and the whoever fills out the death certificate even suspects you might have CV-19 then it is a CV-19 death.

 

I think that 7K dying daily in NYC number is off. According to the CDC website, 7800 people died daily in the US in 2018 (last numbers I could find, I posted the link pages ago). That would mean only 800 people died in the rest of the United States every day, which is very unlikely.

However, your "with" turning into "from" is spot on.

 

[123719bwiqrb]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I think that 7K dying daily in NYC number is off. According to the CDC website, 7800 people died daily in the US in 2018 (last numbers I could find, I posted the link pages ago). That would mean only 800 people died in the rest of the United States every day, which is very unlikely.

However, your "with" turning into "from" is spot on.

 

 

I've done the math, on average 175 peope die a day in NYC.  Total population is a little over 8 million.

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I think that 7K dying daily in NYC number is off. According to the CDC website, 7800 people died daily in the US in 2018 (last numbers I could find, I posted the link pages ago). That would mean only 800 people died in the rest of the United States every day, which is very unlikely.

However, your "with" turning into "from" is spot on.

 

Correct, the US averages between 7,000 - 8,000 deaths per day.

[GG]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

However, your "with" turning into "from" is spot on.

 

 

You keep harping on this, and it's misplaced.  It's the reverse application of correlation and causation.  People love to use correlation to inflate the stats, when the causation is usually something else.  In this case, Wuhan virus is the causation of the correlated factors.  Without Wuhan, most of those deaths don't occur. 

 

Again, if you insist on focusing only on deaths that are only specifically Wuhan related, then please don't compare it to the flu, because the flu virus on its own does not kill a lot of people.

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

145 people die on average every day in NYC pre-coronavirus. Your 7,000 stat is not even close to accurate.

 

Yesterday 518 people died of coronavirus in NYC. 

 

No matter what point you're making below about over counting (and it runs counter to many reports of undercounting), deaths are running 3+ times normal. There is no system built to deal with that. 

 

 

 

I did the math and yes my (from another source, fake news lol) 7k  is way too high but was really talking metro but your 145 isn't close to accurate either, just in NYC alone for that 145 stat to be accurate the life expectancy of 8.8 million people just in NYC would be over 169 years old.

3 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

 

I've done the math, on average 175 peope die a day in NYC.  Total population is a little over 8 million.

 

Using 8.8 mil for NYC that would equate to a life expectancy of 137 yrs old.

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

6 minutes ago, GG said:

 

You keep harping on this, and it's misplaced.  It's the reverse application of correlation and causation.  People love to use correlation to inflate the stats, when the causation is usually something else.  In this case, Wuhan virus is the causation of the correlated factors.  Without Wuhan, most of those deaths don't occur. 

 

Again, if you insist on focusing only on deaths that are only specifically Wuhan related, then please don't compare it to the flu, because the flu virus on its own does not kill a lot of people.

And, I will continue to "harp on this." It is cooking the numbers. Exacerbation of death? Quite possibly. Cause of death? Quite possibly. But, in no way does "with" mean "from" in every death (clarified).
 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

And, I will continue to "harp on this." It is cooking the numbers. Exacerbation of death? Quite possibly. Cause of death? Quite possibly. But, in no way does "with" mean "from."
 

 

If it wasn't for Covid 19 these folks would not have died when they did.

 

Aren't you also one of the people saying China is undercounting deaths?

Edited April 10, 2020 by Gary Busey

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

If it wasn't for Covid 19 these folks would not have died when they did.

 

 

 

Really ?

 

As you said earlier, strange talk for Good Friday.

 

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[GG]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

And, I will continue to "harp on this." It is cooking the numbers. Exacerbation of death? Quite possibly. Cause of death? Quite possibly. But, in no way does "with" mean "from."
 

 

The statistic is "cause" of death.  If not for Covid, the people would not be hospitalized and die at this time.   The contributory factors exacerbate the mortality rate, but many of these people would have chugged along for quite a while with their underlying conditions in check.  

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, B-Man said:

Really ?

 

Really. It ***** sucks and I'll admit I'm quite emotional about it - especially today.

[billsfan1959]

12 minutes ago, GG said:

 

You keep harping on this, and it's misplaced.  It's the reverse application of correlation and causation.  People love to use correlation to inflate the stats, when the causation is usually something else.  In this case, Wuhan virus is the causation of the correlated factors.  Without Wuhan, most of those deaths don't occur. 

 

Again, if you insist on focusing only on deaths that are only specifically Wuhan related, then please don't compare it to the flu, because the flu virus on its own does not kill a lot of people.

 

She didn't compare it to the flu. She was simply stating a fact. Dying "with" is different than dying "from."  It has been acknowledged that everyone who dies and tests positive for COVID-19 is being classified as a COVID-19 death. Unless you attended every death or every person was autopsied, you have absolutely no way of knowing how many of those deaths were a direct cause and effect of the virus.

 

Why is it legitimate for people to question every other aspect of this virus but not this aspect. The truth is, we will not know until we get a full picture of all deaths, including those that were "from COVID-19" to see how deaths from other causes look against baseline rates

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by billsfan1959

[GG]

9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

I did the math and yes my (from another source, fake news lol) 7k  is way too high but was really talking metro but your 145 isn't close to accurate either, just in NYC alone for that 145 stat to be accurate the life expectancy of 8.8 million people just in NYC would be over 169 years old.

 

Any way you look at the numbers, NYC deaths are below 200/day.   Tell me how 800/day are being cooked?

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Listen , if 7K died every day in NYC, there would be 2.5 million dead every year, and NYC would cease to exist within 5 years.   

 

On any given normal day, 145-150 die in NYC.  That's the expected capacity of the morgues, funeral homes and cemeteries.  

 

Why are you bothering to argue stupid statistics, when the one thing you can't fake are real deaths, which are running 4 times normal rates in the tri-state area.  I get it, you are lucky to live in an area that hasn't been affected.  But ***** you for minimizing the pain that people are going through in the 5 boroughs.

 

I already have admitted my mistake, was it really necessary yo call me a "***** stick", want to discuss like an adult or engage in puerile name calling?

 

And no i am not minimizing the pain, trying to discuss the realities instead of spreading panic.

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

trying to discuss the realities instead of spreading panic.

 

Come in here guns blazing claiming FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS and then saying 8k die per day in NYC is a good example of spreading panic

[Doc]

The number of deaths from COVID are definitely inflated.  It's not like diseases are taking a holiday while this outbreak is occurring. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The statistic is "cause" of death.  If not for Covid, the people would not be hospitalized and die at this time.   The contributory factors exacerbate the mortality rate, but many of these people would have chugged along for quite a while with their underlying conditions in check.  

 

Wrong, even confirmed AND "presumed" (again CDC definition) including antecedent &  contributory factors count as a CV-19 death.  Yes some would chug alone for a long time, not doubt.  So if you happen to have the normal flu and die and arent tested it is highly probable you  go down as a CV-19 death.

 

 

[GG]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

She didn't compare it to the flu. She was simply stating a fact. Dying "with" is different from dying "from."  It has been acknowledged that everyone who dies and tests positive for COVID-19 is being classified as a COVID-19 death. You have absolutely no way of knowing how many of those deaths were a direct cause and effect of the virus.

 

Why is it legitimate for people to question every other aspect of this virus but not this aspect. The truth is, we will not know until we get a full picture of all deaths, including those that were "from COVID-19" to see how deaths from other causes look against baseline rates

 

Again, the cause is clear, if not for Wuhan these patients wouldn't need intensive care and then die.  These statistics are the same as used for flu and AIDS related deaths, where the virus isn't the primary agent of death.  I find it odd that this is the line of reasoning people would use to stroke a conspiracy.  Hospitalizations are real, ICU stays are real, deaths are real, and all are running at multiples of normal rates in the heavily affected areas.   It's easy to underplay the risk if you happen to be outside the hot zone.

[nkreed]

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

She didn't compare it to the flu. She was simply stating a fact. Dying "with" is different from dying "from."  It has been acknowledged that everyone who dies and tests positive for COVID-19 is being classified as a COVID-19 death. You have absolutely no way of knowing how many of those deaths were a direct cause and effect of the virus.

 

Why is it legitimate for people to question every other aspect of this virus but not this aspect. The truth is, we will not know until we get a full picture of all deaths, including those that were "from COVID-19" to see how deaths from other causes look against baseline rates

These have been asked and answered so many times in this thread. 

 

There is no way to differentiate the with and from.  Any way that has been described can easily be flipped on its head. Even if there are other factors, SARS-CoV-2 accelerated their deaths.

 

[GG]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Wrong, even confirmed AND "presumed" (again CDC definition) including antecedent &  contributory factors count as a CV-19 death.  Yes some would chug alone for a long time, not doubt.  So if you happen to have the normal flu and die and arent tested it is highly probable you  go down as a CV-19 death.

 

 

 

That was not the case in NYC.  If you died and weren't tested, you didn't count as a Covid death, which could have under-counted the daily total by up to 200.  They will now test the deceased for the virus to give a proper count.

[RoyBatty is alive]

4 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Come in here guns blazing claiming FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS and then saying 8k die per day in NYC is a good example of spreading panic

 

Exaggerate much?  I wrote and let me quote  "fake news lol" that is an exact quote, not "FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS"  Care to apologize?  You wont, you have this agenda, i get it.

 

And i have admitted i was wrong multiple times on the deaths, going to keep beating the dead horse?

Just now, GG said:

 

That was not the case in NYC.  If you died and weren't tested, you didn't count as a Covid death, which could have under-counted the daily total by up to 200.  They will now test the deceased for the virus to give a proper count.

 

Sorry, i find it hard to  believe you, then this lady is wrong

 

https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/cdc-admits-to-lying-about-covid-death-totals/

 

and/or they are going against the standard as set by the CDC.  Are you in the health care industry, you know this far a fact?