The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Doc]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

Not likely , he was admitted to the hospital  2 Oct 2020 for covid.

 

Possibly.  He took another one right after and it was negative.

[ALF]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Possibly.  He took another one right after and it was negative.

 

With a unreliable  test and shortly after admitted to hospital if you read the full article.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

                                                 

 

 

 

 

[GaryPinC]

12 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Possibly.  He took another one right after and it was negative.

They were using the Binax Now test.  I've used this at home and if you get a positive Covid result it's 98.5% accurate.  If you get a negative result it's 84.6% chance it's accurate.

 

So with Trump's negative test, there's about a 15% chance it was inaccurate, for his positive about a 1.5% chance it was inaccurate.

 

Then he got sick and confirmed Covid a couple days later.  Sooooo...

 

 

 

[Sundancer]

The Omicron data is early and all over the place but one data point South Africa is reporting is that more kids are being hospitalized right now than previous waves. Not sure if that will continue as a trend but that would be a big change. 

[TSOL]

3 hours ago, Sundancer said:

The Omicron data is early and all over the place but one data point South Africa is reporting is that more kids are being hospitalized right now than previous waves. Not sure if that will continue as a trend but that would be a big change. 

 

 

That's what they have been saying about all the varieties! That "more kids are being hospitalized" remember the delta variety when *pediatric ICU units were being filled up"? 

 

Wake me up when people under the age of 85 start dying 

 

Oh and stick the vaccine where the sun don't shine  

[billsfanmiamioh]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

That's what they have been saying about all the varieties! That "more kids are being hospitalized" remember the delta variety when *pediatric ICU units were being filled up"? 

 

Wake me up when people under the age of 85 start dying 

 

Oh and stick the vaccine where the sun don't shine  

I’ve discovered that people are generally incapable of examining the statistics on covid deaths and determining the relative risk level to their age group. The risk of severe illness or death in children is so small, yet here we are lining them up to get the jab and a sticker / picture to post on social media. It’s all whacked

[TSOL]

Just now, billsfanmiamioh said:

I’ve discovered that people are generally incapable of examining the statistics on covid deaths and determining the relative risk level to their age group. The risk of severe illness or death in children is so small, yet here we are lining them up to get the jab and a sticker / picture to post on social media. It’s all whacked

 

 

Yep, my kids included. I cant go to their sports (no parents allowed in) masked 7 hours straight at school, my one is home on quarantine right now for the second time this year for "close  encounters" 

 

And all the people who are supporting this arbitrary state subjugation are like... Really low in my book 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

12 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

That's what they have been saying about all the varieties! That "more kids are being hospitalized" remember the delta variety when *pediatric ICU units were being filled up"? 

 

Wake me up when people under the age of 85 start dying 

 

Oh and stick the vaccine where the sun don't shine  

 

 

Fear porn Commie rag - notice the bold

 

 

 

 

Omicron Triggers ‘Unprecedented’ COVID Surge Hitting Under 5s in South Africa

 

 

....Groome said: “This is the highest we’ve ever seen it since the start of the pandemic.”

 

Phaahla said daily cases have rocketed by 9,000 cases per day, climbing from “2,465 new cases last Thursday when this variant was announced to yesterday’s high of 11,535.”

 

“This variant is indeed highly transmissible, including in people who have already been vaccinated,” he said.

 

Phaahla attempted to sound an optimistic note by saying that he believes the new variant is more transmissible “but less severe” than previous variants.

 

He said that while vaccinated people are getting infected, a disproportionate number of those ending up in hospitals are not vaccinated and that the South African hospital system is coping for the time being and has spare capacity.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/omicron-variant-puttings-huge-numbers-of-kids-under-5-years-old-in-hospital-in-south-africa

 

 

 

When stating facts, it's an attempt at an "optimistic note."

 

When hyping the fear, those are facts.   

 

 

 

[TSOL]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Fear porn Commie rag - notice the bold

 

 

 

 

Omicron Triggers ‘Unprecedented’ COVID Surge Hitting Under 5s in South Africa

 

 

....Groome said: “This is the highest we’ve ever seen it since the start of the pandemic.”

 

Phaahla said daily cases have rocketed by 9,000 cases per day, climbing from “2,465 new cases last Thursday when this variant was announced to yesterday’s high of 11,535.”

 

“This variant is indeed highly transmissible, including in people who have already been vaccinated,” he said.

 

Phaahla attempted to sound an optimistic note by saying that he believes the new variant is more transmissible “but less severe” than previous variants.

 

He said that while vaccinated people are getting infected, a disproportionate number of those ending up in hospitals are not vaccinated and that the South African hospital system is coping for the time being and has spare capacity.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/omicron-variant-puttings-huge-numbers-of-kids-under-5-years-old-in-hospital-in-south-africa

 

 

 

When stating facts, it's an attempt at an "optimistic note."

 

When hyping the fear, those are facts.   

 

 

 

I wish it would get stronger 

I'm unvaxxed and I had it 4 months before it was supposedly invented.

 

Natural immunity holding strong 2+ years now. 

 

Just think for yourselves 

[Big Blitz]

Omicron Shows Why It’s Time to Move On from COVID Restrictions

 

 

 

....In March 2020, the debate was over whether to impose restrictions and tell people to hunker down for a matter of weeks or maybe a few months. Whatever one’s opinion on the debate over restrictions back then, it’s different from the debate we now find ourselves in — the debate over how we want to live our lives, assuming that COVID-19 is here with us forever.

Sacrifices that may have been manageable or policies that may have been defensible for a short period of time are much more unrealistic when the time frame becomes indefinite. And the existence of Omicron suggests that “indefinite” is now the reality.

 

A year ago, vaccines were supposed to be the natural endpoint. But since vaccines have become widely available, we’ve learned that their ability to prevent infection wanes over time, even though they are safe and remain effective at reducing the chances of severe illness. This means that people require boosters to reestablish their immunity. But what if boosters, too, become less effective over time?

 

That brings us to the variants. The number of COVID-19 cases was winding down in the spring, before the Delta wave hit in the summer and fall and helped trigger another surge. Now Omicron is on the march. We have every reason to believe that there will be additional variants to follow.

 

...we’re perpetually either coming off a surge from one variant or bracing for the spread of new one, so this is a recipe for never truly going back to normal.

 

The same goes for vaccines. Fauci claimed on Wednesday that the lesson from Omicron is that “if we had the overwhelming majority of the people in this country vaccinated and those who needed to be boosted, boosted, our vulnerability would be much less than it is now.” It’s an odd thing to say given that the one confirmed case of Omicron in the U.S. is somebody who was double vaccinated and, as Fauci notes, we have no solid evidence on whether the vaccines are effective against Omicron.

 

Fauci went on to say,

 

"The endgame — which we hope and I think will occur — is that as we get more people vaccinated, not only in this country but globally, we will see a situation where viruses will not have the opportunity. What they have right now is to essentially freely distribute and freely circulate in society, both domestic society and global society."

 

But during the same press conference, Fauci reiterated that the definition of “fully vaccinated” could change so it would include only people who had received their boosters. If that’s the case, and we need boosters every six months, and on top of that there may be updated mRNA boosters aimed at specific variants, and new variants keep cropping up every few months, how could it possibly be realistic to expect that we’re going to keep a critical mass of the world fully vaccinated? We aren’t talking about something like the MMR vaccine, which creates lifetime immunity. We’re talking about a constantly moving target.

 

So there is not likely to be any sort of “endpoint” as Fauci would define it. COVID-19 is endemic and will likely be here for quite a long time. Making sacrifices for a few months to a year is a lot different from living a certain way for many years, or even decades. 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/12/omicron-shows-why-its-time-to-move-on-from-covid-restrictions/

Edited December 3, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

COVID-19 likely to reach baseline mutation in the future

 

As the new variant spreads across the world and into the United States, it reinforces what many health experts already knew – that COVID-19 is likely sticking around for years to come.

 

"It's not normal," for those who are vaccinated to get long COVID-19 in breakthrough cases, he said. "It may occur in a minimum of people."

 

But getting vaccinated or a booster shot is more likely to just put off contracting a breakthrough case later, instead of making the person impervious, he said.

 

Obviously, no one wants to get COVID-19, but people have to think about strategy, he said. These first-generation vaccines will "kick the can down the road" until second-generation vaccines are developed.

 

"Especially since we know the trajectory of the pandemic is not influenced by booster vaccinations, it’s influenced by first and second doses," he said.

 

Although there will always be some risk related to COVID-19, "the best way to live with it is to get vaccinated so that you’re protected against the severe consequences of the disease," said Adalja.

 

Looking ahead to the future, decades from now, the virus will have integrated into society. Although there will always be some risk related to COVID-19, "the best way to live with it is to get vaccinated so that you’re protected against the severe consequences of the disease," said Adalja.

 

"Eventually you will see some of the public health recommendations become more like recommendations than requirements in terms of isolation and quarantine," he said.

 

https://www.audacy.com/news/covid-19-likely-to-reach-baseline-mutation-in-the-future

 

 

 

Read those last 2 paragraphs again.   

 

Nothing changes the dynamic of vaccinated still getting covid for YEARS.  There is no magic percentage vaccinated that does this.  You've been lied to.  All it does is lessen the chances of you dying.  That's it.  The fear of cases keeps this permanent unless you live in a free state. 

 

The protocols will be permanent and that isn't sustainable let alone conducive to a free society. 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Yep 

 

They're not even going to call it Covid anymore - either you're sick of hearing it or you're terrified of the variants

 

 

 

[B-Man]

On 12/3/2021 at 11:43 AM, Big Blitz said:

Yep 

 

They're not even going to call it Covid anymore - either you're sick of hearing it or you're terrified of the variants

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[Chef Jim]

7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

I’ll give @The Poojer credit. He posted this on FB

 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Dayum! Finland's Prime Minister gets a hall pass from me.

And I just about got over wanting to move to Madrid so I could live under the watchful eye of Isabel Diaz Ayuso. Europe, you are winning. Bigly.

https://elpais.com/espana/madrid/2021-10-07/diaz-ayuso-rechaza-la-propuesta-de-vox-para-colgar-la-bandera-de-espana-en-todos-los-colegios.html

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by The Frankish Reich

[Big Blitz]

It's official!! 

 

Mandated gym memberships and daily calorie intakes!  

 

For the common good!

 

We can stop hospitalizations and deaths!

 

We can't get to 1 million deaths on Xiden's watch!

 

 

[billsfan5121]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

It's official!! 

 

Mandated gym memberships and daily calorie intakes!  

 

For the common good!

 

We can stop hospitalizations and deaths!

 

We can't get to 1 million deaths on Xiden's watch!

 

 

Lol. For all the noble people who got vaccinated for the greater good of humanity, I wonder how they’d feel about banning the sale of sugary or processed foods. It’s easy to be for something when it lines up with your beliefs. But rest assured, one day if we continue down this path of govt intervention, it will impact something that does not align with your belief. And what will they do then?

[Chef Jim]

9 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:

Lol. For all the noble people who got vaccinated for the greater good of humanity, I wonder how they’d feel about banning the sale of sugary or processed foods. 

 

Step One ✔️

 

https://reason.com/2020/10/10/berkeley-bans-so-called-junk-food-from-checkout-aisles/#:~:text=Last month%2C Berkeley%2C California%2C,phase in starting in 2022.

[Big Blitz]

Why aren't the mandates working??

 

 

'No end in sight': Massachusetts hospital flooded with patients amidst COVID surge

 

 

Despite having one of the nation's highest vaccination rates, Massachusetts is in the midst of a full coronavirus resurgence. The state's daily case average is now at its highest point in nearly a year, and in the last month alone, new hospital admissions have more than doubled.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/end-sight-massachusetts-hospital-flooded-patients-amidst-covid/story?id=81637572

 

 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

37 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Why aren't the mandates working??

 

 

'No end in sight': Massachusetts hospital flooded with patients amidst COVID surge

 

 

Despite having one of the nation's highest vaccination rates, Massachusetts is in the midst of a full coronavirus resurgence. The state's daily case average is now at its highest point in nearly a year, and in the last month alone, new hospital admissions have more than doubled.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/end-sight-massachusetts-hospital-flooded-patients-amidst-covid/story?id=81637572

 

 

 

 

Key point in here 

 

Quote

Although the majority -- between 60 and 75% -- of patients currently under care are unvaccinated, hospital officials have seen the impact of waning immunity over time.

72% fully vaxed... CDC says unvaxed 4X more likely to get Delta, and at LEAST 6X more likely to be hospitalized. Those numbers do not  add up to 40% of people in hospital fully vaxed..the math just does not freaking work.

 

Does it  appear vax is working to keep people out of hospital..yes, marginally. Is this a pandemic of  the unvaccinated? Hell no. Its a pandemic of the yet to be infected.

 

And yet, we have people like @Sundancer who refuse to acknowledge these real world numbers and prefer studies by Pfizer and Moderna.

 

No one  on the vax is  a religious choice team wants to consider the fact that Covid rates went way down last year in the spring as well, as flu and every other respiratory illness does. Is it not possible it was  due to seasonality, not the result of the vax.?We are not supposed to mention numbers did same thing in 2020 without a vax? Really?

 

Shocking, rates going up again  now in the winter...team religion vax says its because  efficacy wanes, get a booster...maybe its because  the vax's don't work as advertised and its simply flu/respiratory illness season.

 

 

But then, all the money from Vax and vax candidate funding might go away.

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by plenzmd1

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Although the majority -- between 60 and 75% -- of patients currently under care are unvaccinated, hospital officials have seen the impact of waning immunity over time.

OK, here we go again. Math is hard. I get it. But your noble tutor never gives up on a child! No matter how many times that child gets held back!!

 

MA 12+ population: roughly 5 million.

MA vaccination rate: roughly 80%.

So ... Total vaccinated 12+ in MA = 4 million. Total unvaccinated = 1 million.

 

Number hospitalized with COVID: they say 450 at UMass. That's the biggest hospital. Let's say 1000 statewide.

60-75% of those unvaxxed. Let's play nice and use the lower range of 60%. That means 600 of those 1000 hospitalized with COVID are unvaxxed.

 

600 unvaxxed hospitalized out of total unvaxxed population of 1 million = 600 per million.

400 vaxxed hospitalized out of total vaxxed population of 4 million = 100 per million. 

 

[NOTE: see what I did there? I divided both sides by 4. So 400 per 4 million is the same as 100 per million. It's a neat trick and it works! Every time.]

 

Ratio: 600 per million : 100 per million.

 

[Watch out! Reducing fractions coming round the bend again ...]

 

6:1

 

You are 6 times more likely to be hospitalized in MA if you are unvaccinated.

 

Which is kind of exactly what they've - those evil money-grubbing big pharma companies that the evil money-grubbing Donald J. Trump threw money at to produce vaccines before we even know they worked! - have been saying all along. It started out at perhaps 12:1, but we learned that immunity wanes over time. 6:1 is about what we get now without boosters.

 

You're welcome.

Let's do this again sometime!

 

[Big Blitz]

Is the media covering Ron DeSantis killing people in the North?

 

Look at these scum bags and BLAMING people how f...ing dare they:

 

 

 

 

COVID hospitalizations: Pa. healthcare system at 'brink of collapse,' doctor says

 

Health experts blame the recent uptick in cases on holiday gatherings and the unvaccinated. They say by far, the biggest concern is still the delta variant, but they are keeping an eye on the new omicron variant.

 

https://6abc.com/covid-cases-coronavirus-hospital-rates-new-jersey-pennsylvania-delaware-philadelphia-omicron-updates/11317195/

 

 

 

 

 

Endemic.  Time to move on.  If the protocols aren't removed today then when?  When?

[plenzmd1]

10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

OK, here we go again. Math is hard. I get it. But your noble tutor never gives up on a child! No matter how many times that child gets held back!!

 

MA 12+ population: roughly 5 million.

MA vaccination rate: roughly 80%.

So ... Total vaccinated 12+ in MA = 4 million. Total unvaccinated = 1 million.

 

Number hospitalized with COVID: they say 450 at UMass. That's the biggest hospital. Let's say 1000 statewide.

60-75% of those unvaxxed. Let's play nice and use the lower range of 60%. That means 600 of those 1000 hospitalized with COVID are unvaxxed.

 

600 unvaxxed hospitalized out of total unvaxxed population of 1 million = 600 per million.

400 vaxxed hospitalized out of total vaxxed population of 4 million = 100 per million. 

 

[NOTE: see what I did there? I divided both sides by 4. So 400 per 4 million is the same as 100 per million. It's a neat trick and it works! Every time.]

 

Ratio: 600 per million : 100 per million.

 

[Watch out! Reducing fractions coming round the bend again ...]

 

6:1

 

You are 6 times more likely to be hospitalized in MA if you are unvaccinated.

 

Which is kind of exactly what they've - those evil money-grubbing big pharma companies that the evil money-grubbing Donald J. Trump threw money at to produce vaccines before we even know they worked! - have been saying all along. It started out at perhaps 12:1, but we learned that immunity wanes over time. 6:1 is about what we get now without boosters.

 

You're welcome.

Let's do this again sometime!

 

So, you are saying Vax people GET Covid at same rate as unvaxed? 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by plenzmd1

[SoCal Deek]

13 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

OK, here we go again. Math is hard. I get it. But your noble tutor never gives up on a child! No matter how many times that child gets held back!!

 

MA 12+ population: roughly 5 million.

MA vaccination rate: roughly 80%.

So ... Total vaccinated 12+ in MA = 4 million. Total unvaccinated = 1 million.

 

Number hospitalized with COVID: they say 450 at UMass. That's the biggest hospital. Let's say 1000 statewide.

60-75% of those unvaxxed. Let's play nice and use the lower range of 60%. That means 600 of those 1000 hospitalized with COVID are unvaxxed.

 

600 unvaxxed hospitalized out of total unvaxxed population of 1 million = 600 per million.

400 vaxxed hospitalized out of total vaxxed population of 4 million = 100 per million. 

 

[NOTE: see what I did there? I divided both sides by 4. So 400 per 4 million is the same as 100 per million. It's a neat trick and it works! Every time.]

 

Ratio: 600 per million : 100 per million.

 

[Watch out! Reducing fractions coming round the bend again ...]

 

6:1

 

You are 6 times more likely to be hospitalized in MA if you are unvaccinated.

 

Which is kind of exactly what they've - those evil money-grubbing big pharma companies that the evil money-grubbing Donald J. Trump threw money at to produce vaccines before we even know they worked! - have been saying all along. It started out at perhaps 12:1, but we learned that immunity wanes over time. 6:1 is about what we get now without boosters.

 

You're welcome.

Let's do this again sometime!

 

That’s a bunch of math alright but it unfortunately only looks at one statistic to draw the conclusion you’re promoting. Since we all know that a very small proportion of the population ends up in the hospital whether vaccinated or not, shouldn’t your ‘study’ see if there’s another critical common denominator between the two groups? For example, what if turned out that only left handed people, vaccinated and unvaccinated, are in the hospital? Why would right handed people need to get vaccinated? 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

So, you are saying Vax people GET Covid at same rate as unvaxed?

 

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s a bunch of math alright

Proving my point.

[billsfan5121]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s a bunch of math alright but it unfortunately only looks at one statistic to draw the conclusion you’re promoting. Since we all know that a very small proportion of the population ends up in the hospital whether vaccinated or not, shouldn’t your ‘study’ see if there’s another critical common denominator between the two groups? For example, what if turned out that only left handed people, vaccinated and unvaccinated, are in the hospital? Why would right handed people need to get vaccinated? 

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say there’s a commonality with hospital statistics, and it isn’t vaccine status. I’d be willing to bet the common factor here is age/health. But I would also assume that message wouldn’t be pushed because that wouldn’t fit the fear narrative being pushed. 
 

I had a random thought the other day. Why is it that when someone else gets COVID, like say a football player, we just know/assume they are out a week and then back the following week? Why is there no panic when we hear “AJ Klein gets put on the COVID list?” If COVID really is that bad, why are we assuming he’ll be back next week? Are any of us really thinking he might die? No. We know he’s gonna be fine.

 

Now think about that. When someone else gets COVID (especially a public figure), we don’t worry and just assume everything will be back to normal. To me, it’s like flying. When I fly, I feel like the plane is going to go down. I’m scared of it. But when someone else flies, I assume their trip will be ok and we’ll see them when they land. So when I fly, there’s a problem with the plane. When someone else flies, all is well. Now wouldn’t we just say that’s a me problem and not a plane problem? I’m paranoid when it comes to flying? So if someone just assumes/knows someone else who gets COVID will be ok but they fear for themselves, isn’t that the same? It’s a fear/paranoia problem regarding COVID? 

[plenzmd1]

33 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

 

Proving my point.

Again, with the non answers. Your math assumes the vaccine provides zero protection against actually getting Covid and vaxed and unvaxed contract at same rate. Is that your contention? 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

Again, with the non answers. Your math assumes the vaccine provides zero protection against actually getting Covid and vaxed and unvaxed contract at same rate. Is that your contention? 

We know you struggle with math. But reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your forte either.

No. No, I did not "assume" any such thing.

I corrected you on a misinterpretation of what COVID hospitalization rates in Massachusetts mean. What you cited had nothing to do with positive test rates, etc.

Please read it again.

And if you have a dispute with my math - the conclusion that, based on the Mass numbers, you are 6X more likely to be hospitalized with COVID - please address that, not some other numbers nobody is talking about in this discussion.

[plenzmd1]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

We know you struggle with math. But reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your forte either.

No. No, I did not "assume" any such thing.

I corrected you on a misinterpretation of what COVID hospitalization rates in Massachusetts mean. What you cited had nothing to do with positive test rates, etc.

Please read it again.

And if you have a dispute with my math - the conclusion that, based on the Mass numbers, you are 6X more likely to be hospitalized with COVID - please address that, not some other numbers nobody is talking about in this discussion.

The math you used assumed same rate of Covid infection in both vax and unvaxxed. Do you agree with that or should you adjust the math with the 4.6X the CDC uses as protection against contracting Covid?  That where your math is off. 

 

 

 

My contention has  been since about September  the vaccine does not stop people from getting or transmitting Covid. Is it a therapeutic? Yes...i have never argued that. Should we be basing all our public health decisions on the fact we call it a vaccine when it is clearly not working as intended in terms of the spread of Covid ? 

 

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

 

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

 

k, dont answer the question again...why i stay off of here...dolts like you.

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

k, dont answer the question again...why i stay off of here...dolts like you.

I'm willing to argue a point with anyone, but that's just impossible when people even try to comprehend what a statistic means.

That goes for COVID stats, football stats, whatever.

I was obviously correct - TWICE - in walking you through why the stats you cited don't mean what you say they mean. I believe I've made zero progress.

Serious question: how much math did you do in high school/higher education?

[ALF]

Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying 'at a rate we've never seen die before' -- and it's taking a toll on health care workers

 

"Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

 

But this week Michigan had more patients hospitalized for Covid-19 than ever before. Covid-19 hospitalizations jumped 88% in the past month, according to the Michigan Health & Hospital Association.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/hospital-covid-19-deaths-michigan/index.html

[ALF]

Governor Kathy Hochul announces statewide mask mandate for New York effective December 13 for all businesses and venues

 

Businesses or venues that require proof of vaccination to enter will be exempt from the mandate.

 

Governor Hochul says the mask requirement or proof of vaccination will go into effect on December 13th until Jan 15th.

 

The policy applies to anyone ages two years old and older, any time they are indoors at a business or venue.

 

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/governor-kathy-hochul-announces-statewide-mask-mandate-for-new-york-effective-december-13-for-all-businesses-and-venues

Edited December 10, 2021 by ALF

[dpberr]

55 minutes ago, ALF said:

Governor Kathy Hochul announces statewide mask mandate for New York effective December 13 for all businesses and venues

 

Businesses or venues that require proof of vaccination to enter will be exempt from the mandate.

 

Governor Hochul says the mask requirement or proof of vaccination will go into effect on December 13th until Jan 15th.

 

The policy applies to anyone ages two years old and older, any time they are indoors at a business or venue.

 

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/governor-kathy-hochul-announces-statewide-mask-mandate-for-new-york-effective-december-13-for-all-businesses-and-venues

Unless people restrict the power, the powerful will enjoy flexing it.

 

She's batshit crazy.  If she's elected, NY gets what it deserves.  

Edited December 10, 2021 by dpberr

[B-Man]

 

I have both my covid shots and my booster.

 

I am NOT wearing a mask again.

 

1 hour ago, ALF said:

Governor Kathy Hochul announces statewide mask mandate for New York effective December 13 for all businesses and venues

 

Businesses or venues that require proof of vaccination to enter will be exempt from the mandate.

 

Governor Hochul says the mask requirement or proof of vaccination will go into effect on December 13th until Jan 15th.

 

The policy applies to anyone ages two years old and older, any time they are indoors at a business or venue.

 

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/governor-kathy-hochul-announces-statewide-mask-mandate-for-new-york-effective-december-13-for-all-businesses-and-venues

 

 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by B-Man

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5 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say there’s a commonality with hospital statistics, and it isn’t vaccine status. I’d be willing to bet the common factor here is age/health. But I would also assume that message wouldn’t be pushed because that wouldn’t fit the fear narrative being pushed. 
 

I had a random thought the other day. Why is it that when someone else gets COVID, like say a football player, we just know/assume they are out a week and then back the following week? Why is there no panic when we hear “AJ Klein gets put on the COVID list?” If COVID really is that bad, why are we assuming he’ll be back next week? Are any of us really thinking he might die? No. We know he’s gonna be fine.

 

Now think about that. When someone else gets COVID (especially a public figure), we don’t worry and just assume everything will be back to normal. To me, it’s like flying. When I fly, I feel like the plane is going to go down. I’m scared of it. But when someone else flies, I assume their trip will be ok and we’ll see them when they land. So when I fly, there’s a problem with the plane. When someone else flies, all is well. Now wouldn’t we just say that’s a me problem and not a plane problem? I’m paranoid when it comes to flying? So if someone just assumes/knows someone else who gets COVID will be ok but they fear for themselves, isn’t that the same? It’s a fear/paranoia problem regarding COVID? 

Well put. The lack of concern for people who announce that they have Covid is a great indication/measure of just how non-lethal the general public knows it has become. Now substitute 'cancer' in that sentence and see if you get the same apathetic response. So it makes it that much a head-scratcher when certain government officials keep screaming that the sky's falling. It obviously isn't falling and hasn't been for quite some time now...if it ever even was.