The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Q-baby!]

11 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

“The country is in a great place.” - Donald J. Trump, 4/24/2020

 

Said in the day on which COVID confirmed deaths crossed the 50,000 threshold and unemployment is approaching 15%. 
 

What. A. Moron. 

Maybe it was sarcasm? 

[Rob's House]

I'm about tired of all the Covid-19 messaging in the draft coverage. We get it, NFL. You care. A lot. Thanks for the deep enlightening thoughts, but please STFU and and tell me about the players. 

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Can say that testing is becoming more widely available.  We've had 3 people at work now tested and none were dire cases.  Each was suspicious and each tested negative, but they were able to get a test order written by doc, tested same day and results within hours or 24 hours.  Our local hospital only has Covid-19 patients who are very elderly and not healthy.  In our community this is having little impact on otherwise healthy people.

IMO, a thorny issue isn't going to be testing but keeping the sick people, after a positive test, from coming to work because they want to avoid the PITA of a 14-day quarantine, afraid they will lose their job if they are out that long,  or using two weeks of sick time that may not be paid time.

 

 

 

 

 

[Q-baby!]

6 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

I'm about tired of all the Covid-19 messaging in the draft coverage. We get it, NFL. You care. A lot. Thanks for the deep enlightening thoughts, but please STFU and and tell me about the players. 

And stop with the player profile videos when the next pick is in! 

[keepthefaith]

7 minutes ago, dpberr said:

IMO, a thorny issue isn't going to be testing but keeping the sick people, after a positive test, from coming to work because they want to avoid the PITA of a 14-day quarantine, afraid they will lose their job if they are out that long,  or using two weeks of sick time that may not be paid time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seems to me that the vast majority of employers would insist on those employees being off work until they are able to come back.  People have sick time and any employer worth a damn will pay such a person while they're out.  I'm sure as you mention though that there are some employers that won't.  Any company with a PPP loan is required to pay them. 

[Chef Jim]

37 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

“The country is in a great place.” - Donald J. Trump, 4/24/2020

 

Said in the day on which COVID confirmed deaths crossed the 50,000 threshold and unemployment is approaching 15%. 
 

What. A. Moron. 

It is in a great place!  Where do you think it is?  

[Turk71]

 

12 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Maybe you all would like to think outside the box for ways to combat this virus instead of acting like our press and dismissing everything President Trump says out of hand, simply because President Trump has said them.

 

  When asked by a reporter about his suggestion that they should look into injecting disinfectants Trump said  

  “Nah, I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters just like you to see what would happen,” Trump claimed, responding to a reporter who asked him to explain his remarks that lit up on social media.

“I was asking a sarcastic, and a very sarcastic question, to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it,” Trump said, not mentioning that any injection of a disinfectant also would kill the human being receiving the injection.

  "That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to the reporters,” he concluded.

  

  So I should take him seriously and not dismiss what he says. He says something ridiculously irresponsible and stupid and your first reaction is to defend him. Then the next day he lies and says he was just being sarcastic. In the middle of a pandemic the attention junkie President is front and center everyday lying and evidently being sarcastic while the medical professionals look on in horror.

  The US response to this pandemic has been a train wreck from the start and this country is suffering far worse than any other because of it. It's been a great opportunity for the rich to steal more of the people's money from the Treasury though.

   I'm not a Democrat btw, I'm just an American who wants an honest, responsible, functioning govt. This is an ongoing disaster and somehow 3 months into it there still is not enough protective gear or available testing. Lies and sarcasm are useful for campaigning unfortunately but they don't solve real problems. Maybe if we all pretend hard enough it will just go away.

[Bakin]

10 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I would say yes.   The issue with using this to treat the Covid issue is that the viral effects cause pulmonary fibrosis from my reading, which in turn affects the alveoli, and from the diagram shown I see no way the UV light would penetrate into the alveoli to have an effect.  I commend you for finding this, however.

Your 14 seconds of research into this subject is quite impressive. 
What kind of medical doctor are you? I assume a specialist of some kind?

I’m confused regarding this bull#### disingenuous disinfectant story...and have a question : 

 

Why is the media paying so much attention to Trumps COVID press conference - when they told us not to pay attention to Trump’s COVID press conferences?

[BillStime]

Mnuchin saying the government is considering taking equity stakes in energy companies? Huh?

 

First, taxpayer money does not go to bail out Trump’s cronies because Congress said no.  

 

Second, this would leave taxpayers owning the riskiest slice and gov’t ownership of energy companies.

 

This is how you take over a country.

 

Communications, and energy, with mis-information all the way.

 

U.S. weighs taking equity stakes in U.S. energy companies, Mnuchin says

[KD in CA]

Damn that fascist Trump!!

 

Meanwhile, indefinitely suspending the right of free assembly is totally a-ok!!  ??

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Damn that fascist Trump!!

 

Meanwhile, indefinitely suspending the right of free assembly is totally a-ok!!  ??

no one is stopping you - go out and play big boy - enjoy the corona 

[shoshin]

13 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's not condensation. It's truth. You're better than that post. 

You answered a rhetorical question.

This is a relevant thread to the news and could be pretty good without the message board flexing and bullying. Every morning it tends to start out strong and then goes off a cliff in a few hours.

[shoshin]

14 hours ago, Foxx said:

injecting disinfectants has been done for decades. one example is hydrogen peroxide via a nebulizer.

 

try using that thing between your ears before letting the #TDS take firm hold and opening your mouth.

You’re defending what he said like he meant it and knows about using a nebulizer (not injection obviously). 

 

Trump was spitballing about injecting surface disinfectants (!!!) in a press conference with ratings higher than American Idol. When called on it, he said he was being sarcastic, something none of his defenders including you suggested because he’s clearly just backpedaling out of justified embarrassment. It’s the schoolyard bully taking a blow right to the chin. 
 

Why did Trump take his ball and go home yesterday? He looked silly and people were mocking him. 
 

We move on but he got what he deserved for a dumb idea on a topic he should be well read on by now. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

[Q-baby!]

4 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Obviously a Trumptard. No one else would be that dumb. Dr.Trump had better be careful, he could cost himself some votes! 

[ALF]

Walmart store in Colorado shuts down after coronavirus deaths

 

Public health officials in Aurora, Colorado, ordered a Walmart supercenter to shut down Thursday after a 72-year-old Walmart worker, her 63-year-old husband, and a 69-year-old third-party security contractor for the company died from coronavirus.

 

Six additional employees at the store tested positive for coronavirus, the Tri-County Health Department in Colorado said Thursday. Three other workers were suspected of having the virus and were awaiting lab results.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/business/walmart-coronavirus-colorado-death/index.html

 

Some meat packing plants shut down was bad , if big grocery stores close we have a bigger problem

 

Feb. 29, 2020: 1st death reported in United States 

 

after 8 weeks  52,200+  deaths in the US alone 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

"No evidence" that recovered COVID-19 patients cannot be reinfected: WHO

 

GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Saturday that there was currently “no evidence” that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second coronavirus infection.

 

In a scientific brief, the United Nations agency warned governments against issuing “immunity passports” or “risk-free certificates” to people who have been infected as their accuracy could not be guaranteed.

 

Most studies have shown that people who have recovered from infection have antibodies to the virus, the WHO said. However, some of them have very low levels of neutralizing antibodies in their blood, “suggesting that cellular immunity may also be critical for recovery”, it added.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who/no-evidence-that-recovered-covid-19-patients-cannot-be-reinfected-who-idUSKCN2270FB

 

That may explain why some get reinfected

 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by ALF

[3rdnlng]

9 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

It is in a great place!  Where do you think it is?  

Situated nicely between two oceans with a wall to the south and a country more occupied with maple syrup, bacon and fake eyebrows, America enjoys the natural protections of those oceans and the unnatural protections of the cannon fodder to the north. America is ideally situated and proves the old adage that location, location, location is the most important factor in choosing a location. 

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

Walmart store in Colorado shuts down after coronavirus deaths

 

Public health officials in Aurora, Colorado, ordered a Walmart supercenter to shut down Thursday after a 72-year-old Walmart worker, her 63-year-old husband, and a 69-year-old third-party security contractor for the company died from coronavirus.

 

Six additional employees at the store tested positive for coronavirus, the Tri-County Health Department in Colorado said Thursday. Three other workers were suspected of having the virus and were awaiting lab results.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/24/business/walmart-coronavirus-colorado-death/index.html

 

Some meat packing plants shut down was bad , if big grocery stores close we have a bigger problem

 

Feb. 29, 2020: 1st death reported in United States 

 

after 8 weeks  52,200+  deaths in the US alone 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

"No evidence" that recovered COVID-19 patients cannot be reinfected: WHO

 

GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Saturday that there was currently “no evidence” that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second coronavirus infection.

 

In a scientific brief, the United Nations agency warned governments against issuing “immunity passports” or “risk-free certificates” to people who have been infected as their accuracy could not be guaranteed.

 

Most studies have shown that people who have recovered from infection have antibodies to the virus, the WHO said. However, some of them have very low levels of neutralizing antibodies in their blood, “suggesting that cellular immunity may also be critical for recovery”, it added.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who/no-evidence-that-recovered-covid-19-patients-cannot-be-reinfected-who-idUSKCN2270FB

 

That may explain why some get reinfected

 

 

People who recover developed antibodies. Most “reinfections” as you call them have been re-detections and almost wholly without symptoms. 
 

Don’t spread panic my man. 

[ALF]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

People who recover developed antibodies. Most “reinfections” as you call them have been re-detections and almost wholly without symptoms. 
 

Don’t spread panic my man. 

 

Just citing a WHO report , no panic

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Just citing a WHO report , no panic

If WHO says it you can take it to the bank. 

[shoshin]

20 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Just citing a WHO report , no panic

It seemed like you were talking about fearing for the food supply and that you thought people were getting reinfected like they were before. But good that you’re being rational. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

This is an interesting idea. I have no idea how it would actually work, but it looks like they are actually trying the light thing.
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

This is an interesting idea. I have no idea how it would actually work, but it looks like they are actually trying the light thing.
 

 

That’s impossible! Trump mentioned it so it has to be wrong. It just has to be! 

[SectionC3]

11 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

It is in a great place!  Where do you think it is?  

Funny.  I assume you’re being a literalist.  It is well located in North America.  Well done!  I laughed out loud  

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Funny.  I assume you’re being a literalist.  It is well located in North America.  Well done!  I laughed out loud  

Lack of research again, eh? 

[SectionC3]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Lack of research again, eh? 

Hoax.  It is you who is on the fake news and hoax lists.  

[GG]

How come nobody is bringing up Dr Birx interview with ABC, where she basically admitted that Trump tried to parrot what he heard the experts discuss, but as usual he flubbed it? 

 

She didn't not categorically deny that he was totally off base in his comments. 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, GG said:

How come nobody is bringing up Dr Birx interview with ABC, where she basically admitted that Trump tried to parrot what he heard the experts discuss, but as usual he flubbed it? 

 

She didn't not categorically deny that he was totally off base in his comments. 

let it go

 

[GG]

Just now, BillStime said:

let it go

 

Why?

[Chef Jim]

26 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  It is you who is on the fake news and hoax lists.  

Do you really want to align yourself with that crowd?  I thought lawyers had better sense than that. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

How come nobody is bringing up Dr Birx interview with ABC, where she basically admitted that Trump tried to parrot what he heard the experts discuss, but as usual he flubbed it? 

 

She didn't not categorically deny that he was totally off base in his comments. 

He's seldom totally off base. Sometimes the delivery is a little (or a lot) muddled.

I think Dr. Birx does not always know all the testing going on behind the scenes. How could she? The numbers are staggering on what is being tested and developed.  No one person could be expected to know everything.
 

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, GG said:

How come nobody is bringing up Dr Birx interview with ABC, where she basically admitted that Trump tried to parrot what he heard the experts discuss, but as usual he flubbed it? 

 

She didn't not categorically deny that he was totally off base in his comments. 

Because it would require them to admit they are wrong and pushing a false narrative. That would also require adult and mature behavior which is in very short supply here.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

He's been listing the countries the US will be sending ventilators to. Today, Ethiopia. Apparently, the numbers in Africa have been going up dramatically.
 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

He's been listing the countries the US will be sending ventilators to. Today, Ethiopia. Apparently, the numbers in Africa have been going up dramatically.
 

 

Wait. I was certain tens of thousands were going to die in the US due to the lack of ventilators. What happened??  

[GG]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

He's seldom totally off base. Sometimes the delivery is a little (or a lot) muddled.

I think Dr. Birx does not always know all the testing going on behind the scenes. How could she? The numbers are staggering on what is being tested and developed.  No one person could be expected to know everything.
 

She was likely in the prep sessions where some of the innovative treatments were discussed.

 

But Trump being Trump, took it to another level.  

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Wait. I was certain tens of thousands were going to die in the US due to the lack of ventilators. What happened??  

BREAKING NEWS: NYS decided that 4400 of them from the feds was actually sufficient enough for them to lend some to other states. In a press briefing at 2:00 am today Andrew Cuomo admitted that he mistakenly said 40,000 were needed rather than 4,000. When questioned further, all he could say was "oops". Now that the U.S. has narrowed down the need for ventilators, they realize that ordering 110,000 more on a rush basis may have been a wee bit premature. Plans for a Going Out of Business Sale is scheduled for the Fall of 2020 where the state of the art ventilators are expected to go for pennies on the dollar. Andrew further noted that he saw no need to stockpile some in case of future pandemics because it was just "easier to ration their use". 

[B-Man]

COURAGE? IT’S IN SHORT SUPPLY

 

Will our elected officials ever have the courage to talk honestly about COVID-19? That is the question asked by a reader who despairs over the countless millions of lives being devastated by governments’ shutdown orders:

 

Here’s one of the crazier features of “expert guidance” as governors try to lay out criteria for reopening their states. With the exception of the Deep South governors (who are taking variable stances), it seems that most governors want to see declining counts of positive cases in the state.

 

But everywhere we have tested a whole population (a ship at sea, all the women coming in for delivery in NYC, everyone in a Boston homeless shelter), the finding is that a majority (often a large majority) of infected people are asymptomatic.

Aren’t “experts” aware of this characteristic of the disease? It has been widely reported for weeks!

 

What this means is that confirmed cases is hugely problematic as an indicator – it just can’t tell us much about how or where the disease is spreading. If we do more tests, we’ll find more positive cases. We started out only testing the most severe cases and ones with ties to Chinese travel. Now tests are more plentiful, so more people with mild symptoms are being identified as positive. But even if we are picking up modestly more of the symptomatic cases, we’re still missing the asymptomatic cases. Given how many people have mild or no symptoms, that’s most of the cases!

 

Case counts just don’t provide meaningful epidemiological information under these conditions. Why can’t experts seem to see this?

 

More at the link:

 

 

 

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[ALF]

58 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Wait. I was certain tens of thousands were going to die in the US due to the lack of ventilators. What happened??  

 

Whoever was doing the modeling was way off for the US . The shutdown brought the projections way down , that is good.  

[Deranged Rhino]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peoples_Pundit/status/1254075825491673089

[Buffalo_Gal]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Just so people can see the tweet.