GG Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 For starters, this is the link to the board's ToS (a few more carriage returns wouldn't hurt). I also do not want to dictate policy on a forum that I do not control. At the end of the day, we are at Scott's mercy and discretion. For that, we should be grateful for opening up this sandbox and letting it be more open to exchanges, no matter how rancid they may turn. Predictably, as some topics have gotten more heated, we need to address the elephant in the room of what should be done when posters are discovered to have a criminal past. As is the case with any community, this site is populated by many folks who have been convicted of something - all the way from speeding tickets to the ultimate sin (and many things in between). The question we face is how to handle this properly, just like any functioning community would. I am against openly doxing individuals on a forum that allows anonymity, especially when the offense is not public. I would also engage the poster privately first, if someone made me aware of allegations (such as a certain FB incident a few years back) But if the crime had been committed and is in the public records, then people are free to apply their standards of airing the news. I think if the crime is serious and would affect the discourse, then I believe it should be disclosed to the community. Appreciate all opinions. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, GG said: For starters, this is the link to the board's ToS (a few more carriage returns wouldn't hurt). I also do not want to dictate policy on a forum that I do not control. At the end of the day, we are at Scott's mercy and discretion. For that, we should be grateful for opening up this sandbox and letting it be more open to exchanges, no matter how rancid they may turn. Predictably, as some topics have gotten more heated, we need to address the elephant in the room of what should be done when posters are discovered to have a criminal past. As is the case with any community, this site is populated by many folks who have been convicted of something - all the way from speeding tickets to the ultimate sin (and many things in between). The question we face is how to handle this properly, just like any functioning community would. I am against openly doxing individuals on a forum that allows anonymity, especially when the offense is not public. I would also engage the poster privately first, if someone made me aware of allegations (such as a certain FB incident a few years back) But if the crime had been committed and is in the public records, then people are free to apply their standards of airing the news. I think if the crime is serious and would affect the discourse, then I believe it should be disclosed to the community. Appreciate all opinions. Was there a specific thing I missed? I'm not a big fan of doxxing either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Was there a specific thing I missed? I'm not a big fan of doxxing either. A former frequent poster has a public record on a topic that's frequently discussed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said: A former frequent poster has a public record on a topic that's frequently discussed here. Long-banned? Because yeah i knew about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Is this in reference to all of DR’s biatches ? They are an angry little crew. Edited January 16, 2020 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) I'm innocent I tells ya!! Innocent!! But seriously I'm not sure what your suggesting here. That we censor those convicted of certain crimes? Edited January 16, 2020 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I must confess: I once beat a nun to death, just to watch her die. I'm not sure if the orphan I used to beat her to death lived. 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I'm innocent I tells ya!! Innocent!! Sure, of that thing. What about the other thing, you know, the one with the stuff? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I'm innocent I tells ya!! Innocent!! But seriously I'm not sure what your suggesting here. That we censor those convicted of certain crimes? Totally against censorship. I guess the question is - How or should information be shared about serious offenses that are in the public domain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I didn’t know about JB till recently. Seems some railed in righteous indignation that he wasn’t tarred and feathered, so they went about doing that themselves. I will say that I was outraged that EII doxxed Chef Jim. That was a slimeball thing to do Eric. I read recently that GB tried doxxing DR. That deserves equal condemnation. It’s one thing if a poster goes Open Komono on their own. Stojan did that from the getgo. Blersch did as much recently, but now he may be taillights. But the self-righteous schoolmarms who come here like their a proctor for a high school PSAT exam could eat a bowl of ***** once in awhile to freshen their breath. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nanker said: I didn’t know about JB till recently. Seems some railed in righteous indignation that he wasn’t tarred and feathered, so they went about doing that themselves. I will say that I was outraged that EII doxxed Chef Jim. That was a slimeball thing to do Eric. I read recently that GB tried doxxing DR. That deserves equal condemnation. It’s one thing if a poster goes Open Komono on their own. Stojan did that from the getgo. Blersch did as much recently, but now he may be taillights. But the self-righteous schoolmarms who come here like their a proctor for a high school PSAT exam could eat a bowl of ***** once in awhile to freshen their breath. DC is gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Maybe. It’s uncertain at this point. I hope not. Maybe it’s a sabbatical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Doc said: DC is gone? He had a good-bye. Maybe he’s just fed-up with the amenities in the dungeon and will be posting elsewhere on TBD? ?♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: He had a good-bye. Maybe he’s just fed-up with the amenities in the dungeon and will be posting elsewhere on TBD? ?♀️ I missed it. I also missed the JB drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Sure, of that thing. What about the other thing, you know, the one with the stuff? Oh that one I'm guilty as sin. But it was worth every minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Doc said: I missed it. It was a simple last post/goodbye idiots buried in one of the PPP threads Edited January 16, 2020 by Kevbeau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, GG said: Totally against censorship. I guess the question is - How or should information be shared about serious offenses that are in the public domain? I say no. One of the good things as well as curses is the anonymity of the internet. 15 minutes ago, Nanker said: I didn’t know about JB till recently. Seems some railed in righteous indignation that he wasn’t tarred and feathered, so they went about doing that themselves. I will say that I was outraged that EII doxxed Chef Jim. That was a slimeball thing to do Eric. I read recently that GB tried doxxing DR. That deserves equal condemnation. It’s one thing if a poster goes Open Komono on their own. Stojan did that from the getgo. Blersch did as much recently, but now he may be taillights. But the self-righteous schoolmarms who come here like their a proctor for a high school PSAT exam could eat a bowl of ***** once in awhile to freshen their breath. How did EII dox me? I vaguely remember it. 3 minutes ago, Kevbeau said: It was a simple last post/goodbye idiots buried in one of the PPP threads Really?? Tragic. But this place is an addiction. He'll be back. I did one of those So Long and Thanks for all the Fish things a number of years ago. I came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I remember you were quite upset. He found your CV or your CFO info online and posted your name Jim. “It wasn’t hard,” he admitted. A turdball thing to do IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nanker said: I remember you were quite upset. He found your CV or your CFO info online and posted your name Jim. “It wasn’t hard,” he admitted. A turdball thing to do IMHO. Again I have just a vague recollection. But if EII was able to find it it must be very simple to find. Well if you know my real name and the firm I work for sure you can find out a lot about me professionally. And I must warn you. It's all quite boring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, GG said: For starters, this is the link to the board's ToS (a few more carriage returns wouldn't hurt). I also do not want to dictate policy on a forum that I do not control. At the end of the day, we are at Scott's mercy and discretion. For that, we should be grateful for opening up this sandbox and letting it be more open to exchanges, no matter how rancid they may turn. Predictably, as some topics have gotten more heated, we need to address the elephant in the room of what should be done when posters are discovered to have a criminal past. As is the case with any community, this site is populated by many folks who have been convicted of something - all the way from speeding tickets to the ultimate sin (and many things in between). The question we face is how to handle this properly, just like any functioning community would. I am against openly doxing individuals on a forum that allows anonymity, especially when the offense is not public. I would also engage the poster privately first, if someone made me aware of allegations (such as a certain FB incident a few years back) But if the crime had been committed and is in the public records, then people are free to apply their standards of airing the news. I think if the crime is serious and would affect the discourse, then I believe it should be disclosed to the community. Appreciate all opinions. Well said. I agree completely. That said, I apparently miss a lot of crap that happens here. I saw Tom's "goodbye" post, but have no idea what inspired him to leave. I hope he comes back - despite his cantankerous, know-it-all nature, he adds a lot to the board. I'm completely in the dark with regard to anyone being doxxed, but that crap absolutely should not be allowed under any circumstances. It's probably also a good idea for folks to bear in mind that maintaining anonymity also means that you may not know anything about who is reading your posts, so a little thoughtful discretion could go a long way. If someone among us, present or future, has indeed committed a serious crime that could affect the discourse here, then yes - let's share it with the folks. 2 hours ago, Nanker said: Maybe. It’s uncertain at this point. I hope not. Maybe it’s a sabbatical. It happens. I was around here for the first year or so, then bailed. It took around twelve years for me to even start lurking again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 hours ago, GG said: For starters, this is the link to the board's ToS (a few more carriage returns wouldn't hurt). I also do not want to dictate policy on a forum that I do not control. At the end of the day, we are at Scott's mercy and discretion. For that, we should be grateful for opening up this sandbox and letting it be more open to exchanges, no matter how rancid they may turn. Predictably, as some topics have gotten more heated, we need to address the elephant in the room of what should be done when posters are discovered to have a criminal past. As is the case with any community, this site is populated by many folks who have been convicted of something - all the way from speeding tickets to the ultimate sin (and many things in between). The question we face is how to handle this properly, just like any functioning community would. I am against openly doxing individuals on a forum that allows anonymity, especially when the offense is not public. I would also engage the poster privately first, if someone made me aware of allegations (such as a certain FB incident a few years back) But if the crime had been committed and is in the public records, then people are free to apply their standards of airing the news. I think if the crime is serious and would affect the discourse, then I believe it should be disclosed to the community. Appreciate all opinions. To me, aside from what they post and the impressions I get, everyone here is their screen name and their avatar. I’d prefer to know nothing personal about someone if they’re not offering it. I think that regulars around here expose themselves to be what/who they are just by virtue of what they say and how they say it. I honestly don’t think that knowing something specific about a poster is going to change that. Or put in a different way, I could say something real pithy with spinach stuck to my teeth. You’re only going to see the spinach and not hear what I have to say. Having anonymity allows the message to be heard without the visual to muck it up. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Epstein didn’t kill himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Generally speaking I think people should be able to keep their anonymity. Voluntary disclosure of one's own name is obviously up to the poster but even in cases where a poster discloses tidbits about themself, other posters should not assume that frees them up to disclose more. For example, I think most of you know I have a talking hamster named Sammy. Not many people have one of those so it would probably make me easier to dox. I'd prefer not to be doxxed. I shouldn't have used Sammy's real name, that's on me, but shouldn't be a license to more. I became aware of the JB thing late in the process....I was clueless and found out via PM.....I'll admit I had a bad read on that situation and appreciated finding out because the context helped me understand some weird interactions and to steer clear. There was another poster that I was PMed about before that and it was a complete shock. Again I steered clear and although I still find that one perplexing, it is none of my business really. PPP is here to argue about ideas, however outrageous or disputed. Dig into the ideas all you want but not the people that hold them. Same goes for all the boards. Some people on OTW think aliens exist. They shouldn't be identified either. WRT public information, my take is that calling someone out on an open board is still pretty uncool. If you see someone interacting in a way that might get them harmed or make them look foolish, PM that person. Just because you know something doesn't mean it has to be broadcast. The only exception I'd give is if you found out someone actually works for an organization that is paying them to spread ideas. The board should probably know that, if it is factual, but even then a name would be pointless. Respect other people even if you don't respect their ideas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 As far as doxing goes, if it were up to me we'd have a zero tolerance policy. Anonymity is one of the things that makes this board great. We have frank & open discussions about controversial topics, and anonymity allows everyone to freely state their true and honest opinions without fear. In today's world that can be dangerous. Even posting honest, legitimate points of discussion can be a career ender to people in certain professions if they were to come to light. See @jackmurphylive. WRT criminal background, I don't see any reason why anyone's background makes any difference here. I don't see how someone's odd proclivities, even if potentially dangerous in the real world, poses a threat by posting on a message board. It's not like this is a spot where a pederast would go to pick up young kids. I say let the posts speak for themselves. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Now I wanna know what time was convicted of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Now I wanna know what time was convicted of. Beware. It was senseless posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Kevbeau said: It was a simple last post/goodbye idiots buried in one of the PPP threads Thanks. Found it. I’ve never visited that thread before so I missed it the first time. Wonder what ended it for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, Doc said: Thanks. Found it. I’ve never visited that thread before so I missed it the first time. Wonder what ended it for him? Doc, can you point me to the post? @DC Tom You will be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Doc, can you point me to the post? @DC Tom You will be back it’s in the Greg’s stashes thread. The last page or two I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Nanker said: I read recently that GB tried doxxing DR. That deserves equal condemnation. An anonymous poster on here posts a thousands of words manifesto on the deep state. I researched what that anonymous person wrote (a simple Google search on one of the "facts" contained within manifesto) and found it was verbatim with a public anonymous Twitter account. Condemn that all you want Nanker. Edited January 16, 2020 by Gary Busey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 All that exercise proved is how stupid you really are. It was hilarious. And completely on brand for a low information guy like yourself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: All that exercise proved is how stupid you really are. Researching a fact? Insane, I know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 That's not the insane part. The insane part is that it was clearly my page -- yet you presented it like you were Columbo breaking a case wide open. And you got every bit of it wrong. Every bit. All it took was thirty seconds of basic logic (or reading) to figure it out, but that was too much thinking for you. So you biffed it. Per usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 12 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: I became aware of the JB thing late in the process....I was clueless and found out via PM.....I'll admit I had a bad read on that situation and appreciated finding out because the context helped me understand some weird interactions and to steer clear. There was another poster that I was PMed about before that and it was a complete shock. Again I steered clear and although I still find that one perplexing, it is none of my business really. For those who were not clueless about it, it's unsettling that some of the posters who joked around with him about sexual innuendos are some of the same posters who go out of their way to call people pedophile enablers and call them complicit in sex crimes just because they don't buy into a massive, yet to be proven, and undefined conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Everyone is responsible for their own posts, so if they share too much, it's on them. That said, I think doxing a poster on this site should get you banned permanently. It tells me you're too stupid to appreciate the anonymous nature of this site. If you're so insecure about an anonymous poster on an obscure political message board tied to a consistently bad football team (recent years notwithingstanding), and you need to out them, you should stop for just a second, give it an extra thought, and then go eff yourself. On the other hand, it's been a while since someone from this board offed themselves, so we have that going for us. Which is nice. (NOTE: Tom has left the board in the past. I suspect he'll be back. If not, my hope is he as least remembers to wear the t-shirt.) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 17 hours ago, GG said: For starters, this is the link to the board's ToS (a few more carriage returns wouldn't hurt). I also do not want to dictate policy on a forum that I do not control. At the end of the day, we are at Scott's mercy and discretion. For that, we should be grateful for opening up this sandbox and letting it be more open to exchanges, no matter how rancid they may turn. Predictably, as some topics have gotten more heated, we need to address the elephant in the room of what should be done when posters are discovered to have a criminal past. As is the case with any community, this site is populated by many folks who have been convicted of something - all the way from speeding tickets to the ultimate sin (and many things in between). The question we face is how to handle this properly, just like any functioning community would. I am against openly doxing individuals on a forum that allows anonymity, especially when the offense is not public. I would also engage the poster privately first, if someone made me aware of allegations (such as a certain FB incident a few years back) But if the crime had been committed and is in the public records, then people are free to apply their standards of airing the news. I think if the crime is serious and would affect the discourse, then I believe it should be disclosed to the community. Appreciate all opinions. Well put sir. As I have often stated previously, I try and stay out of the back and forth that many here seem to relish. Everyone, even those I disagree with, deserve their privacy and we should strongly condemn any poster who abuses that. Also: to Nanker.........I am stealing your "open kimono" phrase...........? . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 It's amazing what one can find on the internet given a few pieces of information. Before I started showing up to TBD events I figured out who a number of regular posters were. Curiosity I guess. But I never felt the need to share that information with anybody or make threats based on it. Airing someone's dirty laundry, via posts or PMs, no matter how public the record may be, should be a permaban. I fail to see how most of the things we've referenced in this thread have any effect on discourse. You have an ignore list; if you really think that person shouldn't be engaged with you're free to not engage them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: For those who were not clueless about it, it's unsettling that some of the posters who joked around with him about sexual innuendos are some of the same posters who go out of their way to call people pedophile enablers and call them complicit in sex crimes just because they don't buy into a massive, yet to be proven, and undefined conspiracy. Which is all 100% separate from doxxing anyone. My take on JB is that I was clueless so I have no way of knowing if anyone else joking with him might also have been. I don't recall JB joking about underage stuff but maybe he did. Once discovered and fully doxxed I would have been personally uncomfortable interacting with him at all and certainly joking about anything sexual, at any age. I don't recall any jokes from anyone ever on here about underage stuff. My take on the dismissive nature of some toward how far Epstein's tentacles may have reached is that it seems personal. A Buffalo Bills message board does little to enable or disable pedophiles in reality but it can inform. If someone isn't interested then ignore it. Mocking it is something I find strange but whatever. Doxxing of either party in an argument like that seems out of bounds to me. This is whole place is here for disagreements and sharing of information for concurrence and refutation. That can all be achieved without making anything personal. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Wow. What the h e double hockey sticks happened here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Gary Busey said: An anonymous poster on here posts a thousands of words manifesto on the deep state. I researched what that anonymous person wrote (a simple Google search on one of the "facts" contained within manifesto) and found it was verbatim with a public anonymous Twitter account. Condemn that all you want Nanker. 20 hours ago, Gary Busey said: Researching a fact? Insane, I know. Not the research, the threat of dozing. That’s against this site’s TOS and is a ***** thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Nanker said: Not the research, the threat of dozing. That’s against this site’s TOS and is a ***** thing to do. Really? When I want to doze I'm going to doze and there's not a damn thing you or any TOS can do about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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