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I don't mind Barkley. Brown and Beasley were on the bench and a couple of other starters.

 

Wouldn't be shocked to see them look around, though.

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Played bad against a decent defense with no Brown, Beasley, Singletary, or Knox...you're right it is absolutely time to panic about our backup QB situation and the sky is indeed falling.

 

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9 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Um ok....so if you listened to either Beane or McDermott’s press conference, they clearly believe in Josh Allen 100%
 

They aren’t going to do anything to mess with him like signing a higher profile backup QB like Winston or Keenum.  It’s not going to happen.

 

I think they are ok with Barkley as a #2 QB for 1 more year.  Depending on what Josh does in year 3 will determine what the team does at QB

 

I wouldn't consider Keenum's profile to be anywhere near as high as Winston's.  If the presence of a competent journeyman backup is going to shake Allen's confidence, then we have a much bigger problem than backup QB.  I don't believe that's the case.

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10 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I think Jameis will probably get another year in Tampa but if he doesn’t he’ll likely have a starting spot somewhere else. 

 

Even if its not a starter, he'd get a spot with someone like cincy or chicago where he could still slot in and get a chance to start.  

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9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Bills related or not the QB FA market appears to be more interesting than its bee in a while.  With the young guys in the league and rookies coming in I'm not sure any of the FA QBs will find a starting role.  Assuming Talleywhacker stays in Tenn, who of these gets a starting job:

 

Rivers in LAC or elsewhere

Mariota

Dalton

Eli

Brady

Rosen

Flacco

Alex Smith

Winston

Cam

Bridgewater

Carr

 

Not all of them will change teams but many will.  Of those, the ones that could make sense to the Bills as pure backup aren't numerous because they are either crappy or see themselves as starter material.  I see mainly Mariota or Dalton as possibilities.  Barkley might be enough if they like what they've seen in Davis Webb as a fallback.

 

 Where the heck does Rosen end up and in what capacity?

 

Jobs possibly Available - Leaving out like straight backup...

 

NE if brady walks

NO if brees walks

Cincy

Pittsburgh backup/Future

Tennessee

Indianapolis 

Jags (still have to pay foles tho)

Denver (still have to pay flacco tho)

Miami?

LAC

Chicago

TB

Car if Cam gets traded

 

Now lets assume kraft forces brady on belichick... and i think he will - they don't have a solid backup plan anyway so sign him.  Then immediately work on getting his successor.  Brees probably wants another shot and payton will give it to him. 

 

Cincy job is basically there to lose it to burrow so i expect it to drop rather late and to be one of the older guys.  Seems like a spot for Keenum to play for like 5-6 games before hitting the bench and giving way to burrow.

 

Pittsburgh and NO have the same sort of - maybe he retires in a year and you have a 1 year head start in learning the offense.  I say mariota to Pittsburgh cuz as Tomlin says "he won't kill ya"

 

Tenn will probably extend tannehill and he probably won't be as good.  

 

Indianapolis/Jags - Seem like a candidate for a rookie QB in early rounds - have a vet in place on a kind of large deal but not really in position to move on.  

 

Denver - Probably just roll with lock and flacco but i doubt it works out.

 

Miami - Probably draft a guy and honestly theyll probably cut rosen after... which is extra bad since everyone will likely have their 2 QBs at that point.  

 

Chargers - I see them trading up to try and snag tua and sell some tickets.  A lot of people have brady as their answer for that too, which i think would be interesting... just unlikely.  

 

Bears - Will try to upgrade.  

 

Bucs - if they move on from winston its a desirable job with the talent they have on offense.  

 

Car - if they trade cam then it becomes a solid spot for someone like dalton.  

 

There are a fair amount of available spots open.  Bucs and NO jobs are probably most desirable with the coaching staffs and offensive weapons in place there.  For buffalo - i think there is some value in bringing in an upgrade at QB2.  Just don't chase winstons/daltons etc.  I also think Rosen is getting brock osweilered here... he'll end up getting cut after they draft tua/herbert to sit behind fitz.  And at the point he's released he will not have practice squad eligibility either so he legit has to win a backup job somewhere.  Maybe NE takes a shot?  

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10 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Honestly I think Winston is definitely an upgrade over Barkley But you’re right the free agency quarterback market is pretty thin right now I’d say for ***** and giggles if Miami released Fitz I’d say bring him back lol

Winston would beat Allen out in camp.  He’s absolutely insane but good Winston is one of the best passers in the NFL.  Probably is bad Winston shows up too much.  So there’s no way they would sign him. 

6 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Played bad against a decent defense with no Brown, Beasley, Singletary, or Knox...you're right it is absolutely time to panic about our backup QB situation and the sky is indeed falling.

 

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Why do people pretend like it’s one game with Barkley?  He had one game in the nfl when he wasn’t absolutely terrible.  http://www.nfl.com/player/mattbarkley/2539308/profile  Seems like a great dude but he is one of the worst backups in the nfl.  He is the definition of replaceable. 

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14 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I don't know but I think we have much bigger needs on offense then a new back-up QB.  Barkley is good enough.  The Jets game was not a reasonable barometer of how he would do if Allen went down for a couple of games.  Or if you're going to use a Jet's game how about last years Jet's game? 

 

There's also the matter of CAP impact and some of the QB's being thrown around would not come cheap.  I would rather spend the money to overpay for a solid FA RT that enables us to move Ford to guard then bring in another back-up QB.

 

 

He was bad against NE and has a lifetime TD/INT ratio of 10/21. That is simply terrible.

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11 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Played bad against a decent defense with no Brown, Beasley, Singletary, or Knox...you're right it is absolutely time to panic about our backup QB situation and the sky is indeed falling.

 

smh

Bit of a straw man there. No one here is even vaguely reacting like that. And nor should they, as it's a fair, if somewhat minor, question. There are and will be many, many threads about the different coaches, players and tactical analysis. This is one which this is interesting, though slightly less fraught than many will be.

 

 

As for the question at hand, if Mariotta is ready to be a backup, then he'd be my choice too.

 

Otherwise, I'm not sure out of the many others, who would be suitable as an upgrade but also willing to be a backup.

 

 

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15 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Bills related or not the QB FA market appears to be more interesting than its bee in a while.  With the young guys in the league and rookies coming in I'm not sure any of the FA QBs will find a starting role.  Assuming Talleywhacker stays in Tenn, who of these gets a starting job:

 

Rivers in LAC or elsewhere

Mariota

Dalton

Eli

Brady

Rosen

Flacco

Alex Smith

Winston

Cam

Bridgewater

Carr

 

Not all of them will change teams but many will.  Of those, the ones that could make sense to the Bills as pure backup aren't numerous because they are either crappy or see themselves as starter material.  I see mainly Mariota or Dalton as possibilities.  Barkley might be enough if they like what they've seen in Davis Webb as a fallback.

 

 Where the heck does Rosen end up and in what capacity?

Is this also a guess as to who gets cut? Cam and Carr are not FA's.

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1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

He was bad against NE and has a lifetime TD/INT ratio of 10/21. That is simply terrible.

Does any fanbase make more excuses for sub par qb play that bills fans?  Maybe the Browns and Bears?  I would venture to guess in the last 20 years, we might have the worst passing offense in the nfl. 

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1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Dalton would be a nice add.

I feel like that would be a future qb controversy but I would take him.  He’s not close to as bad as he is made out to be. 

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First off, I like Barkley. I’m totally good with him as the backup. But if we are going to look elsewhere, I would want to find a qb that plays a similar style to Allen. So that you don’t have to change the whole offense or game plan, should an injury occurr.

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16 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Bills related or not the QB FA market appears to be more interesting than its bee in a while.  With the young guys in the league and rookies coming in I'm not sure any of the FA QBs will find a starting role.  Assuming Talleywhacker stays in Tenn, who of these gets a starting job:

 

Rivers in LAC or elsewhere

Mariota

Dalton

Eli

Brady

Rosen

Flacco

Alex Smith

Winston

Cam

Bridgewater

Carr

 

Not all of them will change teams but many will.  Of those, the ones that could make sense to the Bills as pure backup aren't numerous because they are either crappy or see themselves as starter material.  I see mainly Mariota or Dalton as possibilities.  Barkley might be enough if they like what they've seen in Davis Webb as a fallback.

 

 Where the heck does Rosen end up and in what capacity?

I think he will survive the horrific start to his career and re-emerge somewhere down the road, once the smoke has cleared, with a legitimate shot to challenge for a starting role.  He should be given that chance; his career couldn't have gone worse to date, due mostly to influences beyond his control.

 

 

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17 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Do you think Beane and McDermott look for a capable back up in feee agency, I don’t think we’re gonna draft anyone. I ask cause Barkley looked horrible in that last game against the Jets. Allen is our QB no question but I wonder if they bring a veteran in to back up Josh and possibly compete against Barkley 

 

Barkley looked horrible because 

  1.  he was playing with backups 
  2. he was rusty from 16 weeks on the bench 

IMO he did improve int he second half on that Pre Season type game 

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1 hour ago, warrior9 said:

Is this also a guess as to who gets cut? Cam and Carr are not FA's.

Merely possibilities I've seen.

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They pry are fine with Barkley because it’s the same regime that thought starting Peterman was a good idea.  Barkley (who couldn’t even make a roster) has a good game against the Jets and suddenly he’s the answer at backup despite being horrible as a starter previously.  

 

If Allen goes down we’re screwed like the Steelers were when Big Ben went down.  A wasted season despite an elite defense as the duck and the reindeer were terrible. 

 

Allen’s style of play makes the backup even more crucial.  I’d like them to make a hard push for Mariota who may have to come to grips with the fact that the best he can be is a high end backup at this point.  Dalton may be in that same position.  I’d also take Keemun ahead of Barkley.  Hell, bring in Kap for a workout to create a really fun offseason on here.  

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I’m not too worried about backup QB, if Allen goes down the season’s over.

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If Beane thinks he can improve the team then any thing goes, he gave Barkley a contract that could easily make him expendable if someone better is there for the taking !! 

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4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I feel like that would be a future qb controversy but I would take him.  He’s not close to as bad as he is made out to be. 

I think he would be a steady veteran presence and he's good enough to win you games. I think he's an adequate starter, actually.

I don't believe there will be a future qb controversy because I think Allen is better than you surmise and will be even better next year

with an added year of maturation and better playmakers on the team. Regardless, Dalton is an upgrade to Barkley and strengthens

the overall quality at the most important position on the team.

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I don’t mind Barkley but there are so many revolving pieces this year regarding FA QB’s that deserve a quick look.

 

Likely available:

 

Manning- will Def want to start someplace though or just retire if he can’t compete

Mariota- probably going someplace he can compete to start

Dalton - will want out from Cincy, may be ok as a backup 

Bridgewater - while well liked in NO, I could see them moving away possibly because of Taysom Hill doing a little bit of everything

 

Likely staying put:

 

Brady - wants to pad those stats and Kraft likes his mouth kisses

Brees - Wants to keep Brady at bay statswise and looks a lot better then Tommy Boy. Deserves another shot if he wants it

Tannehill - especially if they advance any further in the playoffs

Winston - one more year to keep the offensive production up and hopefully reduce the turnovers.

Rivers - Re-sign or retire. Not uprooting his 100 kids to play anywhere else

Prescott- he signs in Dallas and gets way overpaid. If for whatever reason he goes anywhere else he goes as a starter for sure because of his garbage time stats.

 

Cut or Trade options:

 

Newton- missed a season and a new regime.

Carr- Maybe Gruden wants his own guy after a few years of Carr

Trubisky - couldn’t get it done in Chicago.

Flacco- likely wants out of the Broncos crap show

 

realistically there are 8 higher profile QBs who are possibly looking for a new home if you don’t count the likely candidates who stay put. There are higher quality options now more than ever. Now, most teams could use a solid backup or would entertain the thought, but what teams need it most? 

 

Bears- Absolutely. Whether to lead the way for a few years or hold the line while a new QBS gets drafted, they’re adding someone to relieve Trubisky ASAP.

Colts - I think they bring in competition for Brissett honestly. He’s not bad but there could be a possible upgrade / competition out there
Cincy- probably bring a Vet while acclimating their #1 draft pick.

Raiders- competition for Carr seems likely. They’ll have to beat Peterman though, so good luck with that lol

Redskins- Vet presence you compete, groom, or take pressure of Haskins. New regime.

Giants- need a new backup with Manning gone

 

 

Likely to draft one:

Cincy

Pats

Miami

Chargers

Chicago(?)

NO(?)

 

 

Here’s my predictions:

1. Everyone in my “Staying Put” category is back for at least one more year and won’t see a major change at this time

2. Mariota goes to Chicago and starts

3. Manning decides to retire

4. Bridgewater to Washington- competes and maybe starts

5. Dalton may come here to Buffalo, as he is a folk hero lol. Could also go to the Giants

6. Newton gets cut or possibly traded. Ends up in Indy or Vegas

7. Flacco to Cincy for 2 years to train up the LSU QB when he is drafted.

8. Trubisky goes someplace as a backup... maybe Tennessee since they lose Mariota or the loser between Indy/Vegas for Newton.

9. Chargers draft a QB of the future, Tyrod stays QB2 behind Rivers

10. Miami tanked, gets Tua. He sits behind Fitz for a year

11. Chicago drafts a QB but either day 2 or trades up for one

12. New Orleans May start planning for the future, but I don’t know if they draft one this year. Likely would be able to attract a high profile QB FA next year when Brees hangs them up after the 2020 season.

13. NE drafts a day 2 QB that Tommy instantly hates and probably tries to kiss on the mouth

 

 

*WHEW* I think I covered everyone... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 1/8/2020 at 6:38 AM, Buffalo86 said:

 

I wouldn't consider Keenum's profile to be anywhere near as high as Winston's.  If the presence of a competent journeyman backup is going to shake Allen's confidence, then we have a much bigger problem than backup QB.  I don't believe that's the case.

I had the same thought. You bring in Winston; yeah, that's a message. It's highly likely he'll be starting somewhere, whether it be TB(most likely) or elsewhere.

 

If Case Keenum is gonna upset the apple card, that's a problem.

 

With JA's propensity to run and the Bills strong defense, a viable backup could very well end up making a difference if an injury were to occur. Barkley crumbles under pressure and is EASILY upgraded.

 

The Bills should be in the business of WINNING football games.

 

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On 1/8/2020 at 2:59 AM, 1ManRaid said:

Played bad against a decent defense with no Brown, Beasley, Singletary, or Knox...you're right it is absolutely time to panic about our backup QB situation and the sky is indeed falling.

 

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Who the hell said that we should panic or the sky is falling?  Its ok to try and improve your team, Brittany.

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