YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No, it isn't. But so long as Poyer and the Bills are all adults it shouldn't really hurt either. I think that is a bit different than the contract situation in fairness. One is very clearly private life. The other is team business. It is but he’s not going to want to answer questions about her tweets about his contract and if reporters bring up the other stuff I’m sure they will bring up this (if he does hold out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Maybe we should look at this from a different perspective. Rachel may have saved us all from this potential drama. https://blacksportsonline.com/2019/03/rumor-antonio-brown-to-bills-trade-fell-apart-because-of-he-slept-with-bills-safety-jordan-poyers-wife-rachel-bush-before-the-wedding-pics-vids-ig-tweets/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: well maybe, maybe not. She did delete the tweet that yolo referenced. Who do you think told her to do that? Edit: and i believe i saw somewhere very recently that they were in the bahamas or something? Could’ve just been her firing off a drunk tweet and then thinking better of it. Don't Drink and Tweet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: well maybe, maybe not. She did delete the tweet that yolo referenced. Who do you think told her to do that? Edit: and i believe i saw somewhere very recently that they were in the bahamas or something? Could’ve just been her firing off a drunk tweet and then thinking better of it. She deleted it, but it's already out there on mainstream social media now. People got their hands on it and re-posted it all over. The deleting aspect of it is a moot point as it was too little, too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: To be fair he may might be doing everything right. Rachel's tweeting isn't necessarily helping his cause - though interestingly she seems to always end up deleting so maybe he is making that point. But call me a feminist radical if you want - she is her own person and she is free to express whatever opinions she wishes. The Bills shouldn't be holding tweets made by Jordan Poyer's wife against him and he shouldn't be using them for leverage. Of course she's free to express whatever opinions she wants. On the other hand, there does come a point where the SO of a person has to be considered accountable for views that directly and specifically bear on their sweetie's employment, or else the SO could be used as a shield of plausible deniability to express that person's views. The spouse is presumed to have inside info on the organization and the employee's views. The line is probably where things get specific. Husband of senior Keurig executive posting about how to make perfect pour-over coffee and how easy it is for the most delicious coffee: probably his right of free expression. Same guy posting about how Keurig cups are a rip-off, generate hella plastic waste and besides the coffee sucks: specific to spouse's employer, held to reflect on spouse. Two examples that come to mind of a player SO damaging the player's brand: Kaepernick's girlfriend Nessa Diab comparing Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti to a "slavemaster" and Miko Grimes incessant tweets about Tannehill sucking when Grimes played for Miami. Obviously, Bush's comments nowhere near that, but the point is when the SO expresses opinions that directly bear on their sweetie's employment, it will be taken to reflect the sweetie's views. Not a good look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: It is but he’s not going to want to answer questions about her tweets about his contract and if reporters bring up the other stuff I’m sure they will bring up this (if he does hold out) Maybe they will. And maybe McDermott will not appreciate it, but guess what? It's his job to answer those questions - the questions about Poyer's marriage however, are not. If McDermott allows that to influence the way the Bills approach the negotiations it would surprise me. I think he is pretty good at identifying what is pointless and what really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: well maybe, maybe not. She did delete the tweet that yolo referenced. Who do you think told her to do that? Edit: and i believe i saw somewhere very recently that they were in the bahamas or something? Could’ve just been her firing off a drunk tweet and then thinking better of it. Could’ve, Would’ve, Should’ve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think they will hold them against him but she’s not doing him any favors. McD actually had to answer questions about her in TC from reporters a couple years ago because of their public marital drama and I’m sure he appreciated that. I would assume McD said something to the effect that "That's their private life and we're going to trust Jordan to bring his best here. I'm not gonna get into that". I always wondered how much 'Zo Alexander helped guys with getting and keeping their personal lives straight. When he retired I believe several teammates alluded to how much of an influence he had been personally for a number of teammates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Of course she's free to express whatever opinions she wants. On the other hand, there does come a point where the SO of a person has to be considered accountable for views that directly and specifically bear on their sweetie's employment, or else the SO could be used as a shield of plausible deniability to express that person's views. The spouse is presumed to have inside info on the organization and the employee's views. The line is probably where things get specific. Husband of senior Keurig executive posting about how to make perfect pour-over coffee and how easy it is for the most delicious coffee: probably his right of free expression. Same guy posting about how Keurig cups are a rip-off, generate hella plastic waste and besides the coffee sucks: specifit to spouse's employer, held to reflect on spouse. Two examples that come to mind of a player SO damaging the player's brand: Kaepernick's girlfriend Nessa Diab comparing Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti to a "slavemaster" and Miko Grimes incessant tweets about Tannehill sucking when Grimes played for Miami. Obviously, Bush's comments nowhere near that, but the point is when the SO expresses opinions that directly bear on their sweetie's employment, it will be taken to reflect the sweetie's views. Not a good look. I get that it is potentially embarrassing for the spouse but to be honest I find it being held to reflect on them a slightly old fashioned view I have to say. I am never accountable for any views my partner holds and I wouldn't expect them to held accountable for any view that I hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I get that it is potentially embarrassing for the spouse but to be honest I find it being held to reflect on them a slightly old fashioned view I have to say. I am never accountable for any views my partner holds and I wouldn't expect them to held accountable for any view that I hold. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think the key word here is 'partner'. This isn't just a fan griping about an underplayed player, it's his legal partner, essentially complaining publicly about the his pay the player receives from his employer. I think there is always going to be some accountability in that regard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, eball said: Judging from her Insta, I can only ASSume Rachel knows what she's talking about. I see what you did there! Well played! 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I get that it is potentially embarrassing for the spouse but to be honest I find it being held to reflect on them a slightly old fashioned view I have to say. I am never accountable for any views my partner holds and I wouldn't expect them to held accountable for any view that I hold. That's nice for you, but if your partner starts very publically expressing views on your employer or your terms of employment or vice versa, you might discover that others in fact do not share your enlightened perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's nice for you, but if your partner starts very publically expressing views on your employer or your terms of employment or vice versa, you might discover that others in fact do not share your enlightened perspective. And I'd ensure they ended up in front of an employment tribunal. 20 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think the key word here is 'partner'. This isn't just a fan griping about an underplayed player, it's his legal partner, essentially complaining publicly about the his pay the player receives from his employer. I think there is always going to be some accountability in that regard. Yea, I think you are old fashioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea, I think you are old fashioned. I am perfectly OK with that, Bill. Maybe it's cultural? https://www.employmentlawyernewyork.com/news/latest/can-you-be-fired-for-something-your-spouse-does.html#:~:text= Edited March 4, 2020 by Tenhigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I genuinely don't understand why anyone gives a ***** what that woman says. If the looks are why you hang on her every word. Newsflash its 2020 and fake Instagram models are a dime a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think the key word here is 'partner'. This isn't just a fan griping about an underplayed player, it's his legal partner, essentially complaining publicly about the his pay the player receives from his employer. I think there is always going to be some accountability in that regard. Yup. It's a little too convenient to hide behind the 'I don't control my wife' excuse. Your spouse is always a reflection on you. "Get a hold of your wife, Fredo." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And I'd ensure they ended up in front of an employment tribunal. Don't be naive, my dear. Nothing so explicit as to provide adequate grounds for an employment tribunal would ever occur. 38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea, I think you are old fashioned. It's OK to think that. It's also OK for some of us to think that you're channeling a little Matchbox 20: "I wish the real world, would just stop hassling me And you, and you, and me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: I am perfectly OK with that, Bill. Maybe it's cultural? https://www.employmentlawyernewyork.com/news/latest/can-you-be-fired-for-something-your-spouse-does.html#:~:text= Possibly not cultural, but differences in employment law. Historically, though, Great Britain has been an epicenter of Quiet Actions that Maintain the Unstated Status Quo, so I suspect that some unimpeachably correct reason to take action against Gunner would be found. tsktsktsktsk Oh, no, NEVER because of his Partner's social media rants! As for US employment though, This from your link (emphasis mine). It's quite legal in Employment at Will States. Handling Social Media : One of the biggest areas of concern when it comes to what people say is social media. Even if your company lacks a policy in place concerning your off-the-clock social media behavior, your spouse is not protected. You can be fired if your spouse goes on a social media rant about how bad your work environment is or how poorly you’re treated. The bottom line? Even if you think your employer will be understanding or that you can smooth things over after your spouse goes public with your workplace complaints, it’s better to keep those opinions off social media. No matter how bad your work environment might be, it doesn’t make you look any better if you or your spouse are complaining on social media. If something illegal is occurring in your workplace, you need to take appropriate legal action. And if the things you’re dealing with are not illegal, do what you can to remedy the problem instead of taking to social media to complain about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Don't be naive, my dear. Nothing so explicit as to provide adequate grounds for an employment tribunal would ever occur. It's OK to think that. It's also OK for some of us to think that you're channeling a little Matchbox 20: "I wish the real world, would just stop hassling me And you, and you, and me" If we just accept the world as it is Hapless we never change it. I don't mind being seen as a bit of an idealist - I am. I just believe mature and sensible people should be able to ignore distractions and if McDermott and Beane let Poyer's wife's tweets affect the way they approach his contract situation they are not the people I believe them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Not enough pictures to describe the R Bush situation . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 55 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I genuinely don't understand why anyone gives a ***** what that woman says. If the looks are why you hang on her every word. Newsflash its 2020 and fake Instagram models are a dime a dozen. Probably because this particular IG model just happens to be married to the player in question. Just a guess, but I think that’s probably why people are talking about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, JoPoy88 said: Probably because this particular IG model just happens to be married to the player in question. Just a guess, but I think that’s probably why people are talking about it. That's just a guess on your part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, BillsFan17 said: That's just a guess on your part? He took a wild-ass flyer on it. 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If we just accept the world as it is Hapless we never change it. I don't mind being seen as a bit of an idealist - I am. I just believe mature and sensible people should be able to ignore distractions and if McDermott and Beane let Poyer's wife's tweets affect the way they approach his contract situation they are not the people I believe them to be. Ah, me. I need to check out of this discussion here, as it's going to go further astray from football. Just a note that this philosophy tends to be a luxury people who are actually breaking new ground in a field as women or POC typically can't afford. "Pick your Battles" becomes the mantra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He took a wild-ass flyer on it. Ah, me. I need to check out of this discussion here, as it's going to go further astray from football. Just a note that this philosophy tends to be a luxury people who are actually breaking new ground in a field as women or POC typically can't afford. "Pick your Battles" becomes the mantra. If he did, might be one hell of a detective. That was some pretty nifty dot connecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I expect Poyer to get his money. Keeping him and Hyde together should be a priority. They are good players and it would be worth it to keep them together. We have the cap space to pay players what they are worth. Dumb for his wife to be so vocal about all of this. Just let the agent do the talking. No good will come from her posting crap on social media. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 5:06 PM, YoloinOhio said: Rachel, XFL might come calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 20 hours ago, wppete said: She’s definitely wearing the pants ? in the relationship. Pretty strange. I know...she shouldn’t be wearing anything...??♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I know...she shouldn’t be wearing anything...??♂️ ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 6 hours ago, MJS said: I expect Poyer to get his money. Keeping him and Hyde together should be a priority. They are good players and it would be worth it to keep them together. We have the cap space to pay players what they are worth. Dumb for his wife to be so vocal about all of this. Just let the agent do the talking. No good will come from her posting crap on social media. I think in May, Beane will make Poyer an offer with a significant step in salary and some good guarantees, but less than he may feel he is worth on the open FA market. Then it will be up to Poyer if he wants to take the sure money offered in the contract, or play out his contract here and "bet on himself" in FA. Ms Bush is not posting crap on social media, she's just being a little...Cheeky srrry...not srry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think in May, Beane will make Poyer an offer with a significant step in salary and some good guarantees, but less than he may feel he is worth on the open FA market. Then it will be up to Poyer if he wants to take the sure money offered in the contract, or play out his contract here and "bet on himself" in FA. Ms Bush is not posting crap on social media, she's just being a little...Cheeky srrry...not srry If they let him play out under his contract's final that means, today, they don't think he's worth a significant pay increase. Their actions will tell us all how they saw his past season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 We are commenting on a post by a woman who’s only claim to fame is showing her ? on the internet. This is both the best and worst country in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: If they let him play out under his contract's final that means, today, they don't think he's worth a significant pay increase. Their actions will tell us all how they saw his past season. I wouldn’t pay him. He’s going to be in his 30s. He’s a good safety but not a game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Why is there a Rachel Bush thread with no Pictures? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, DrDare said: Why is there a Rachel Bush thread with no Pictures? This is the real question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: We are commenting on a post by a woman who’s only claim to fame is showing her ? on the internet. This is both the best and worst country in the world. Not quite. Her other claim to fame is that she's married to one of our two star Safeties. 41 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: This is the real question Unfortunately if they're really good pictures, I'd have to delete 'em. Sorry. OK, here's one for ya, I have to think the boss lets this one slide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 She’s on vacation with her NFL husband and they get to talking about business and she gets fired up and let’s one slip on twitter. Then thinks better of it and deletes it. No big deal at the end of the day she’s 21. Poyer will get paid. Either by the Bills, or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Do NOT Pay Poyer. Unless it is a contract that comes in around 6-8 AAV. Anything else. Deuces to Poyer. Edited March 5, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: She’s on vacation with her NFL husband and they get to talking about business and she gets fired up and let’s one slip on twitter. Then thinks better of it and deletes it. No big deal at the end of the day she’s 21. Poyer will get paid. Either by the Bills, or someone else. Either that, or his agent phoned with some preliminary numbers from the Bills and it ticked them off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 5:14 PM, TigerJ said: Well, it's obvious he deserves a substantial raise when he signs his next contract. I hope he gives the Bills a bit of a break, given that the Bills believed in him and gave him a chance where Miami was ready to kick him to the curb. Not a chance. This will be his one and only chance for a "big" contract. The Bills have enjoyed his services for peanuts, relative to his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 49 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Do NOT Pay Poyer. Unless it is a contract that comes in around 6-8 AAV. Anything else. Deuces to Poyer. $6-8M AAV would probably be a fair contract for the Bills to offer; depending upon the bonus and the guarantees it might be a fair deal for Poyer to accept. He'd get $3-5M more than he'd see this year otherwise, and if it has a decent bonus, some guarantees, and full injury guarantees, he'd be able to take care of his family durn well. OTC has him valued at $6.5M. I expect Ms Bush sees him as a top-10 safety and the figure they have in mind is $10-12 AAV, in which case Beane is likely to say "let's play out the season and see how it goes". The trade off for them would be uncertainty - he gets $2.7M this year with nothing guaranteed (except injury). He'll hit FA at age 29. I imagine big contracts sound very alluring, but the devil is always in the details and how much is guaranteed, for what. When one looks at top safety contracts and sorts by AAV vs Fully Guaranteed, the list looks a bit different. There's some guys who aren't paid that much in AAV but have a lot more in guarantees. Hyde has an AAV $6.1M and OTC values him at $7.9M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: $6-8M AAV would probably be a fair contract for the Bills to offer; depending upon the bonus and the guarantees it might be a fair deal for Poyer to accept. He'd get $3-5M more than he'd see this year otherwise, and if it has a decent bonus, some guarantees, and full injury guarantees, he'd be able to take care of his family durn well. OTC has him valued at $6.5M. I expect Ms Bush sees him as a top-10 safety and the figure they have in mind is $10-12 AAV, in which case Beane is likely to say "let's play out the season and see how it goes". The trade off for them would be uncertainty - he gets $2.7M this year with nothing guaranteed (except injury). He'll hit FA at age 29. I imagine big contracts sound very alluring, but the devil is always in the details and how much is guaranteed, for what. When one looks at top safety contracts and sorts by AAV vs Fully Guaranteed, the list looks a bit different. There's some guys who aren't paid that much in AAV but have a lot more in guarantees. Hyde has an AAV $6.1M and OTC values him at $7.9M. He is the Safety I would pay if I was going to pay one. However I also think McDs system is very safety friendly, so the Reason I would want to keep Hyde is h is the leader of that Backfield. I think for that reason he provides more on an impact than Poyer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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