fansince88 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Doc said: His problem is he looks to run before he secures the catch. You had an even dozen thumbs up so I bought you a beer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Possible but I’m heavily skeptical due the ease of the catches that become drops. I believe we ended leading the league in drops. This is the difference between wins and losses. I want dependability over wow factor. We may have lead the league in drops, but not only because of Knox. Don’t forget Zay. He dropped passes like it was going out of style. Edited January 1, 2020 by Dkollidas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Overall it was a decent developmental year for Knox, whose play contributed to both wins and losses. He needs to hit the jugs machine in the off-season. Catching a few hundred balls per day should address the issue. He still has the potential to be a top TE in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: His college and NFL TD total is 2 more than mine! The problem is that he's not played as a receiver, really, until he got to the NFL. It shows. Really the problem at Ole Miss was he didn’t have a good QB. Very run heavy offense, he was asked to block more than catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Really the problem at Ole Miss was he didn’t have a good QB. Very run heavy offense, he was asked to block more than catch. Plus they had a plethora of other receiving options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: We may have lead the league in drops, but not only because of Knox. Don’t forget Zay. He dropped passes like it was going out of style. LOL wtf? 5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Really the problem at Ole Miss was he didn’t have a good QB. Very run heavy offense, he was asked to block more than catch. wel....ok. But the bottom line is that he was the guy they didn't throw the ball to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: wel....ok. But the bottom line is that he was the guy they didn't throw the ball to. Knox had more yards and as many TD's as your boy Hockenson. He's actually 2nd among rookie TE's (after Fant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: LOL wtf? wel....ok. But the bottom line is that he was the guy they didn't throw the ball to. Very true. They had him running routes that honestly the QB was never going to progress too. He was rarely the 1st read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Doc said: Knox had more yards and as many TD's as your boy Hockenson. He's actually 2nd among rookie TE's (after Fant). lol my boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 It is frustrating ,its not just Knox, the offense still overall has a drop problem, granted Knox accounts for a high percentage of those drops, but he has never been a receiver before this year, and he is a rookie. The offense seems to drop passes at the least opportune moments, more frustration. It is my hope that the QB and his receivers will grow out of this messy situation real soon, we do have two good pass catchers that don’t see much action, and that certainly does not help the problem. I will just look at it as a learning opportunity for our guys. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I can't believe no one mentioned his hands. Seems like it could be a reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Just in Atlanta said: I can't believe no one mentioned his hands. Seems like it could be a reason. LOL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: lol my boy... You were the one banging the drum for the Bills to draft him in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Easy drops are a concern, but I'm definitely not gonna throw this kid under the bus. He's got all the talent in the world to be a real asset on offense. When he's "on," he's tough to cover. We certainly don't have a plethora of young playmakers, and I believe his ceiling is much higher than Singletary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Easy drops are a concern, but I'm definitely not gonna throw this kid under the bus. He's got all the talent in the world to be a real asset on offense. When he's "on," he's tough to cover. We certainly don't have a plethora of young playmakers, and I believe his ceiling is much higher than Singletary's. Well, to be fair, he would NEED a higher ceiling. He’s like 6’4” and Singletary is a tiny 5’7”, hardly ducking to get thru doorways! Seriously, I love what Knox could become. Look the ball in, let things slow down for you and he could be a crazy steal nobody saw coming! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Easy drops are a concern, but I'm definitely not gonna throw this kid under the bus. He's got all the talent in the world to be a real asset on offense. When he's "on," he's tough to cover. We certainly don't have a plethora of young playmakers, and I believe his ceiling is much higher than Singletary's. Singletary has had a great year for a third round RB. But translating from an 6 to 8 carry change of pace back to a feature back has not really translated to great results yet. I am not sure his ceiling very much higher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Well, to be fair, he would NEED a higher ceiling. He’s like 6’4” and Singletary is a tiny 5’7”, hardly ducking to get thru doorways! Seriously, I love what Knox could become. Look the ball in, let things slow down for you and he could be a crazy steal nobody saw coming! Right. I'm "hopeful" the drop issues will subside with experience. Who knows? Maybe he's just a drop guy or maybe he'll get more comfortable as a receiver. But he's extremely talented and we have a serious deficiency at playmaker; especially guys under 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Right. I'm "hopeful" the drop issues will subside with experience. Who knows? Maybe he's just a drop guy or maybe he'll get more comfortable as a receiver. But he's extremely talented and we have a serious deficiency at playmaker; especially guys under 30. As much as the talent, I LOVE the feisty, physical attitude. We need some of that! Praying it pans out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I f'kin love Knox. He's one of my favourite players this year. From the moment he barrelled over a Bengals defender I was sold. Would love it if he made a game winning catch in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: I f'kin love Knox. He's one of my favourite players this year. From the moment he barrelled over a Bengals defender I was sold. Would love it if he made a game winning catch in the playoffs I’d love 3-4 game winners in the playoffs this year! . Edited January 2, 2020 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Dkollidas said: We may have lead the league in drops, but not only because of Knox. Don’t forget Zay. He dropped passes like it was going out of style. Last year. He played in the first four games, 18 targets, 7 receptions, 1 drop ( if the Fox sports numbers are to be believed.) I agree that we had too many drops from everybody. Beasely also pissed me off with some of his crucial drops. Yeldon and Brown are the only ones I have no quarrel with. Yeldon aught to be in as a dump off receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 9 hours ago, HappyDays said: I'm not too worried about Knox. I predict him to be out breakout player next year. The concentration drops are easily coached out of him. He blocks very well and he's a freak athlete. When he puts it all together he's going to be a monster. The kid has George Kittle type ability if he can be a better pass catcher IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 hours ago, Doc said: His problem is he looks to run before he secures the catch. I think it’s as simple as he is better at catching with his body. Needs to be a priority in off season to be better at catching with his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 hours ago, Doc said: You were the one banging the drum for the Bills to draft him in the 1st round. Sure, why not? Imagine if Hockenson had a second year top 10 pick QB throwing to him instead of David Blough and Jeff Driskel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Sure, why not? Imagine if Hockenson had a second year top 10 pick QB throwing to him instead of David Blough and Jeff Driskel. He wasn't exactly lighting-it-up with Stafford. And would probably have similar numbers in the Bills' offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 23 hours ago, Doc said: His problem is he looks to run before he secures the catch. Eh... I don't buy that excuse, his hands are literally a foot apart from each other on many of his drops. Horrendous fundamentals at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, ArtVandalay said: Eh... I don't buy that excuse, his hands are literally a foot apart from each other on many of his drops. Horrendous fundamentals at times. I haven’t seen every drop by him, but on the ones I did see, he was looking to run before he secured the catch. Is there a link anywhere to his drops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, Doc said: I haven’t seen every drop by him, but on the ones I did see, he was looking to run before he secured the catch. Is there a link anywhere to his drops? Not sure but here's one i had hanging around on my phone. This was vs Baltimore i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Doc said: He wasn't exactly lighting-it-up with Stafford. And would probably have similar numbers in the Bills' offense. The obvious difference is that with Hockenson, you are starting with a guy who already is a TE who can catch passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 7:55 AM, Buffalo Boy said: https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills-team-stats?season=2019&week=0&category=RECEIVING Ten drops in fifty targets is unacceptable! Worse yet, easily catchable ball drops. Even worse, drive killers. I don’t care how tough he is or what kind of circus catches he makes, I don’t trust him because he is the opposite of reliable. 10 drops on 50 targets is unacceptable I fully agree. However Knox was a very raw prospect who wasn't supposed to come in as the starter. He was supposed to be a backup to Kroft but Kroft got hurt and he was thrust into action. Knox didn't play much receiver in college so he is going to have some growing pains. I think after getting a full season in and getting another off-season to develop and practice his receiving Knox will be a more consistent player in 2020. I would still like to see them cut Kroft and bring in a vet receiving TE just to take some pressure off of Knox and make it so that he doesn't have to be thrust in over his head if he needs another year to develop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The obvious difference is that with Hockenson, you are starting with a guy who already is a TE who can catch passes. I've seen a lot of TE's who looked good in college and fizzled out in the pros. The fact is, you don't need to spend a 1st rounder on a TE. In any given year, only 1 or 2 former-1st rounders make the top-15 in receiving. And this year, Hock wasn't worth taking over Oliver both in foresight and hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 10:34 AM, Doc said: His problem is he looks to run before he secures the catch. On 1/1/2020 at 11:13 AM, klos63 said: All receivers run before they catch the ball, that's how most pass patterns are designed. The better ones don't drop the ball though. I think Knox will turn out to be a good player, just needs to be more consistent ,which should come with more experience. I think you missed the key word in Doc's post. Let me help you out, "...he LOOKS to run before securing the catch." He's looking downfield BEFORE securing the ball. I thought his meaning was obvious. Yes guys run while they are catching, but where their eyes are focussed is the key here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampton Josh fan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 This kid will be a top TE . He's fast, a great blocker, and can get yards after catch He's dropped some important balls but he will work his butt off. The guy wasn't a pass catcher in college and has become a favorite target in his rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 21 hours ago, Augie said: Well, to be fair, he would NEED a higher ceiling. He’s like 6’4” and Singletary is a tiny 5’7”, hardly ducking to get thru doorways! Seriously, I love what Knox could become. Look the ball in, let things slow down for you and he could be a crazy steal nobody saw coming! Except maybe that evil genius BB who traded out the pick after us when we took Knox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: Except maybe that evil genius BB who traded out the pick after us when we took Knox. That could be, but it seems that one weakness the evil genius has is that he's not a drafting genius. But you make a very good point, he may have had his eye on Knox. You hear people complain that he failed to address TE, and that may have been his play to replace Gronk. . Edited January 2, 2020 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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