Bengals/Dolphins... Can either one beat the pats?

[aristocrat]

pats are winning with crazy plays like blocking 18 punts this year.  just need some random dalton great game and geno atkins destroys brady

[JimJaime]

6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

pats are winning with crazy plays like blocking 18 punts this year.  just need some random dalton great game and geno atkins destroys brady

Very True. Yesterday the Pats got the full force of Ref incompetence to go along with a very poor running O to lose that game. D gave up only 16 points on drives by KC (and that horrid INT by Brady got them the easy extra 7). 

 

also remember how the Brady era started.. Bledsoe got “destroyed” by the Jets D player and well 19 years later.. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

Absolutely.  The key appears to be getting enough pressure on Brady to make him get rid of it quickly. In the past, he had a quick release and his receivers could get enough separation to make it work. That is not the case any more, but if you give him too much time, he WILL still beat you.

[TigerJ]

Never say never, but both the Bengals and Dolphins are big time long shots versus the Patriots.  The Patriots don't have great receiving options for Marcia and their line can't protect him as in years past, but Belichick is still a crafty head coach and they have a quality defense.

[The Jokeman]

27 minutes ago, JimJaime said:

Very True. Yesterday the Pats got the full force of Ref incompetence to go along with a very poor running O to lose that game. D gave up only 16 points on drives by KC (and that horrid INT by Brady got them the easy extra 7). 

 

also remember how the Brady era started.. Bledsoe got “destroyed” by the Jets D player and well 19 years later.. 

Yeah, we can all thank Mo Lewis for altering the history of the NFL. 

[plenzmd1]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

No chance Miami wins in New England if the Pats need that game.

Cinci has a real chance as do the Bills

 

4 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Miami winning in NE is unlikely, but not out of the question. 

 

You have to admire how hard they play for Flores. I don't see them rolling over the way they did for Gase last year in week 17. This will be their Super Bowl. It's a chance to give a coach in Flores a keynote win against his old team. And who knows, it may very well be the final game in Fitz's career. I'm not foolish enough to expect a Miami win, but the week 17 spoiler role is something that someone seems to play every season. 

Flores is gunna be a tough out for the next several years. I see him and McD becoming real rivals. And i agree, that team plays freaking HARD, and Flores has shown he knows he is outmanned, and is not afraid to take risks via trick plays, unexpected onsides kicks etc. Plus, he knows  that system pretty well, and if Fitz is playing lights out and accurate, he can beat that cover 0 as he knows who to throw  to throw the ball to, just sometimes doesn't get it there with accuracy

 

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

yes the game’s in Cincinnati, but it’s going to be at least 40% Patriots fans.

My guess is more like 80%, and less than 40% full, and i no i am not exaggerating.. Damn, few years ago for the Bills game place was half empty for a September game cause it was raining. Every Bengal STH is trying to unload their tickets at any price.

[Jrb1979]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

When was the last time the Pats lost 3 in a row?   

 

how convenient for the Pats to play 3 of 5 games at home in December ---  the last 2 at home

 

 

Now I need to remember where I had the discussion about schedule favoritism .....

The Bills play 2 of their last 3 at home. There is no favoritism. From what I have heard the Bills want most of their home games early in the season as December games are a hard sell. Even yesterday for a meaningful game tickets on secondary market could be had for cheap. The last game of the season isn't sold out yet. A team on the verge of making the playoffs should have that game sold out weeks ago. That shows December is a hard sell in Buffalo and why they need a domed stadium. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Since I don’t play for the Bills or coach them this is the fun stuff for us fans to chat about. Coaches and players shouldn’t look ahead. That’s the privilege left for fans.

 

I think both the Phins and Bengals CAN beat NE. NE is nothing special. Play good ST’s and don’t turn the balm over on your side of the 50. Make Tommy and that oline drive 70 yards. They will screw it up more times than get it right. 
NE’s D isn’t scary and has been exposed. 
I could see NE losing every game. It’s not out of the question. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Sure. 

 

 

yeah, why the **** not?

 

After a strong performance yesterday (with some hiccups) against the best team in the league I am going all in on Hope, alas Princess Leia.  

 

She could fly through space, you know.  Then she died in real life...very sad.  

 

Still believing, though, that one of those teams might be able to pull an upset.  Go Fitzmajic!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, peterpan said:

Fitzmagic has one more rabbit in his hat.  I bet they beat the Pats, but the refs will beat the fish.   That's my guess.

 

the problem is ... because of yesterdays loss  w/o help they can't do it 

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Bengals have been playing very tough the last 4 weeks, and they get the Patriots* at home.

 

New England wants to get that playoff spot locked up, but this will not be an easy win for them.

 

I would not be shocked if the Bengals won.

 

The Dolphins have a far better chance. 

 

Dalton stinks.  Since he got back he is completing 59% of his passes on 75 throws which have produced 1 TD in 2 games.   10 games: 10 TDs and 9 ints.  1 win.

 

I think Fitz is more dangerous (if you can call it that).  But i don't see how either of these 2 teams win those games.  NE losses have been to 3 of the top 10 scoring teams in the league.  The Bengals in particular are doomed.

 

 

[Jrb1979]

7 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

yeah, why the **** not?

 

After a strong defensive performance yesterday (with some hiccups) against the best team in the league I am going all in on Hope, alas Princess Leia.  

 

She could fly through space, you know.  Then she died in real life...very sad.  

 

Still believing, though, that one of those teams might be able to pull an upset.  Go Fitzmajic!

Fixed it for you. The Bills offense was awful starting with Allen. He has looked good against the weak teams but so far against teams with good defenses he has been bad. 

[416BillsFan]

I doubt it, but I know that Flores will throw the kitchen sink at them week 17.

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

Fixed it for you. The Bills offense was awful starting with Allen. He has looked good against the weak teams but so far against teams with good defenses he has been bad. 

 

 

Change accepted and noted.  Yeah, true, but I also think a little help around him would have helped him.

 

Very tangential note here...sorry guys, I am really starting to lead towards a dome.  I know it is expensive, but it really does change a lot of things for this team going forward.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

The Bills play 2 of their last 3 at home. There is no favoritism. From what I have heard the Bills want most of their home games early in the season as December games are a hard sell. Even yesterday for a meaningful game tickets on secondary market could be had for cheap. The last game of the season isn't sold out yet. A team on the verge of making the playoffs should have that game sold out weeks ago. That shows December is a hard sell in Buffalo and why they need a domed stadium. 

 

the topic is DEC games. 

 

Technically Thursday's game was a Dec game for Buffalo

away, home, away, away, home   2 of 5

 

NE as I said 

away, home, away, home, home  3 of 5

 

playing at home week 17 is to their benefit to allow them to rest starters if needed.

 

But not so much this season

 

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Change accepted and noted.  Yeah, true, but I also think a little help around him would have helped him.

 

Very tangential note here...sorry guys, I am really starting to lead towards a dome.  I know it is expensive, but it really does change a lot of things for this team going forward.

I agree a dome is needed. The last game of the season isn't even sold out yet. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

I agree a dome is needed. The last game of the season isn't even sold out yet. 

 

Yes.

 

I mean really, jrb, facts are facts even if the QB is in question...we need only to look a little look at Josh in Dallas (i know, different team, but still) and josh yesterday.

 

...and yes, high tide raises all ships, but I just want what we have here with this team and this franchise to keep growing.  It still could influence many possible free agents and coaches going forward.

[Jrb1979]

Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

the topic is DEC games. 

 

Technically Thursday's game was a Dec game for Buffalo

away, home, away, away, home   2 of 5

 

NE as I said 

away, home, away, home, home  3 of 5

 

playing at home week 17 is to their benefit to allow them to rest starters if needed.

 

But not so much this season

 

The Bills would have more home games in December but the owners like more home games earlier in the season as they are an easier sell. Don't blame it on favoritism. Blame it on the fans for not filling the stadium in December. The game against the Jets isn't even sold out yet. 

[IDBillzFan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Dalton stinks.  Since he got back he is completing 59% of his passes on 75 throws which have produced 1 TD in 2 games.   10 games: 10 TDs and 9 ints.  1 win

 

Yes, but he has three 300-yard games this season, so that makes him a winner! 

[Captain Hindsight]

48 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Yeah, we can all thank Mo Lewis for altering the history of the NFL. 

It was only a matter of time before Belicheck put in Brady. He was done with Bledsoe

[Process]

27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Dolphins have a far better chance. 

 

Dalton stinks.  Since he got back he is completing 59% of his passes on 75 throws which have produced 1 TD in 2 games.   10 games: 10 TDs and 9 ints.  1 win.

 

I think Fitz is more dangerous (if you can call it that).  But i don't see how either of these 2 teams win those games.  NE losses have been to 3 of the top 10 scoring teams in the league.  The Bengals in particular are doomed.

 

 

Fitz is without question more dangerous but they have zero weapons on offense. And it's in NE. Bengals have much more talent. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 hours ago, CLTbills said:

Negative. Common games comes before conference record.

 

To Break A Tie Within A Division

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

Buffalo lost to Philly and Cleveland, both of whom NE* beat. NE's losses were to KC and HOU (Buffalo didn't play either) and Baltimore.

 

We have to be ahead of them by a game to win the division.

 

Or they lose to miami and buffalo... and buffalo beats Pitt, NE, and NYJ.  Buffalo then takes the division at 5-1 vs. 4-2.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Process said:

Fitz is without question more dangerous but they have zero weapons on offense. And it's in NE. Bengals have much more talent. 

 

Much more talent?  Well, they sure have found a very clever way to hide that fact. 

 

They have won a single game.  They are 31st in points scored and 23rd in points allowed.  They are 4th in pass attempts, yet they are 17th in passing yards. Tyler Boyd is their #1 WR and he catches 61% of his targets.   They never run the ball, but they have Joe Mixon at 3.8 per for when they do. 

 

They average 15 ppg, NE 26.  They allow 25 ppg, NE 13.

 

Bengals stink at home, they stink on the road. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

The Bills would have more home games in December but the owners like more home games earlier in the season as they are an easier sell. Don't blame it on favoritism. Blame it on the fans for not filling the stadium in December. The game against the Jets isn't even sold out yet. 

 

 Quit while you're ahead.   RALPH is long gone.  The Pegula's are in charge now.

 

 

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 Quit while you're ahead.   RALPH is long gone.  The Pegula's are in charge now.

 

 

I know it's different owners but they still have averaged 2 games at home in December since the Pegula's have taken over. December home games have always been a hard sell no matter how good the team has been. Why is it hard to believe that the Bills don't want many December home games?

[dave mcbride]

No. NE will absolutely steamroll both teams because they are a far better team in every aspect of the game.

[CLTbills]

6 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Or they lose to miami and buffalo... and buffalo beats Pitt, NE, and NYJ.  Buffalo then takes the division at 5-1 vs. 4-2.

yes... point is, they need to lose one more game than JUST to buffalo. Tying them for the division does us no good.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

18 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

if brady goes down, anything can happen.

Thank you Gregg Williams.

[Don Otreply]

With the way the pats are playing, both could win,

 

Go Bills!!!

[Wayne Arnold]

20 hours ago, Process said:

Bengals/Dolphins... Can either one beat the pats?

 

Short answer: no.

 

Long answer: ***** no.

[apuszczalowski]

19 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 Quit while you're ahead.   RALPH is long gone.  The Pegula's are in charge now.

 

 

I believe it was Terry who was the one that came out and said he has asked the league for less December home games a few years ago. It was around the time he also asked the NHL for a change to the Sabres schedule regarding the Friday/Saturday back to back games IIRC.

 

11 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

With the way the pats are playing, both could win,

 

Go Bills!!!

Well the Pats must really be scared of the 1 win Bengals if they need to video tape their signals during practice before they play them.......

[stevewin]

On 12/9/2019 at 5:53 AM, No Place To Hyde said:

Miami winning in NE is unlikely, but not out of the question. 

 

You have to admire how hard they play for Flores. I don't see them rolling over the way they did for Gase last year in week 17. This will be their Super Bowl. It's a chance to give a coach in Flores a keynote win against his old team. And who knows, it may very well be the final game in Fitz's career. I'm not foolish enough to expect a Miami win, but the week 17 spoiler role is something that someone seems to play every season. 

It was nice to see Flores so PO'd after the Jets game this week.  Dude wants to win - I don't think they'll be running for the bus